male plant flowering really early good or bad

I always keep a male or two so i can pollinate one of my females. I picked my two best looking ones but one of them is ready to release pollen pretty soon and the other one is not even close. Witch one do i choose. Ive never had this happen? Any feedback would be much appreciated.

which one look.better, more.potential?«

Many breeders believe the male that shows first has the most ruderalis traits, and should be avoided to prevent passing these undesirable traits on to the future generations.

Treuno siad what I was gonna say, sorta. I have always been unsure about this.however DJ Short wrote that in one of his books, and now is considered standars practice. One day whe I get a hair up my ass about this I will do this for to a few populations. Ussing a single male to compair to is unreliable and will give no insight. I will be sure to inform all when this endevour goes down.
The od thing is nobody to my knowledge has tested this. ..

Peace

Ok cool thanks everybody body. Anymore feedback would be great from anyone else.

TruenoAE86coupe said:

Many breeders believe the male that shows first has the most ruderalis traits, and should be avoided to prevent passing these undesirable traits on to the future generations.

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if you were growing a stable strain without any ruderalis traits though, wouldnt you want the earlier flowering males? i would think this would transition to earlier or faster flowering offspring?

or am i just completely wrong? just getting into the whole breeding thing here also.

GreenSummit said:

if you were growing a stable strain without any ruderalis traits though, wouldnt you want the earlier flowering males? i would think this would transition to earlier or faster flowering offspring?

or am i just completely wrong? just getting into the whole breeding thing here also.

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The longer flowering males usually contain the medicinal properties that you're trying to pass on in the breeding process.
Although there are exceptions to every rule, the shorter flowering males aren't usually used by experienced breeders.
So what you said is true, to use them may cause the offspring to have a shorter flowering time, but it doesn't mean that the end result will be what you're looking for.
At least, not in the potency department, anyways.

Bad Karma said:

The longer flowering males usually contain the medicinal properties that you're trying to pass on in the breeding process.
Although there are exceptions to every rule, the shorter flowering males aren't usually used by experienced breeders.
So what you said is true, to use them may cause the offspring to have a shorter flowering time, but it doesn't mean that the end result will be what you're looking for.
At least, not in the potency department, anyways.

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Trippy stuff, im gana use a little pollen from both on different branches and next year grow a few out and see what happens

jackbog said:

Trippy stuff, im gana use a little pollen from both on different branches and next year grow a few out and see what happens

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That's a good choice, I did something similar the first time I tried pollen chucking.
Enjoy the process, learn what your can, and reap the benefits of the offspring.
Subcool has some great breeding info over in his Old School Organics thread, if you should ever need any.
Good luck.

you guys really think there is that much ruderalis out there? with all the undesired genes, that are getting eliminated by breeding I would think the stuff we get is looong gone from any ruderalis genes it may have had. I'm curious.

What about the influx of auto flowering strains? Those are all ruderalis based.
Could the reasoning be entirely wrong? Certainly, just passing on the info i have heard over the years.

well, all the strains I have experience with for the last 20yrs, have been standard hybrid mixes of indica and sativas, nobody liked the ruderalis until recently. Depending on the genetics, if its an issue go with something that doesn't have ruderalis in its lineage

so naturally my next question is, what strains are you dealing with?

"with all the undesired traits being eliminated by breeders".....lmmfao.... i almost fell out of my chair laughing, thanks i needed that...lol

are you suggesting that if you have a strain that's got clear lineage that its not going to reflect the breeders decisions? Care to elaborate? How would one get a ruderalis from a sativa? or a indica/sativa hybrid? THOSE are genetic traits. Are they not? Have you ever seen a squatty short Blue Dream? No? Well why not? Because breeders have selected the genetic traits they want to use and eliminate the traits they don't want. It's everywhere. An example would be the problems they are having with rattlesnakes, the ones with loud rattles get killed (or their loud rattles get selectively eliminated by the people that kill them) therefore the new rattlesnakes have quieter rattles, why? because the loud ones couldn't reproduce. Same theory applies to anything where you are selected which traits are used. Something funny about evolution?

but thanks for attempting to find humor in my post, anything that gets you to laugh. Life is short....

How sexually mature are the corresponding females ? If the male is early compared to both the females and the other male, Then get rid of the early male. Assuming of course that the other male is nice and healthy with desirable structure (not necessarily bigger).

what strain is this? if it has no ruderalis in it, whats the concern? If i'm crossing a indica, with a viatnamese, i'm not getting any ruderalis!

greasemonkeymann said:

what strain is this? if it has no ruderalis in it, whats the concern? If i'm crossing a indica, with a viatnamese, i'm not getting any ruderalis!

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Sorry for not responding i couldnt open my threads for some reason. The strain im dealing with is called The Prophet its awesome i love it. Its a cross of Pre 98 Bubba and Tang Tang from Grindhouse Seed Co.