Mass Shooting at Florida Gay Club

fdd2blk

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"clam it or ram it" did you pick up that bit of hick wit at Jesus summer camp?

Bro how are you qualified to analyze foreign policy decisions? You cant's construct a logical argument, you post childish "huge gun" pics, you sleep in a matchbox but imagine that you're a lord...you're a delusional clown but you know how we should interact globally? lol that's the definition of a joker.
You've been hanging on this guys nuts for days now. Must be love. :)
 

SoOLED

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terrorism: is not: a person(S) religion, ideology or force that has substance.

it is a reaction a syntax, of the break down of community and human values. it not something that will change until a monumental shift in human architectonics and introspection. until the architectonics( of human thought) is changed to a global prospective.

no amount of laws, gun bans, bombs, or overseas military will stop this.

if you want to stop terrorism you can wait until the Zentraedi battle ship crashes to earth. or you can separate people who what to live "like others/like themselves"

we are all terrorist, we torture those who get in our way/thoughts or other wise. if you have brother and sisters, you grew up being a terrorist, farting in face. breaking he remote so that no one could use it. moving their wet laundry without even putting it in the dryer because "she always hogs the machine" on a scale, these is all terrorist actions.

in a real dick move, some people key other people cars, or take parking spots they know would piss a neighbor off, play music to loud.

terrorism is simply reacting to the people you don't like, or who irritate you.

ill add one more thing: if guns where invented, these people would still find away to kill., TBH I glad its guns and not poisons or cars running down sidewalks. at least with guns its a local event.
 

Fogdog

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Real problem is the lack of a strong father figure in the household, one that sets solid goals and boundaries for their children, is ethical, loves them and cares. Blacks have the highest count of single parent households, mostly unmarried where the father can not be found. The mom is out doing crank and grandma is struggling to provide for her grand kids.

Blaming it on the war of drugs is like blaming a spoon for Rosie O'Donnell being fat.
Sorry to inform you but your head is full of Texas cow shit. No wonder you keep your tube on the dementia channel, AKA Fox news.

The history of the WOD makes it clear that beginning with Nixon and especially under Reagan, anti-drug police actions targeted blacks and other minorities as a propaganda tool. You bought into it completely of course.

It's difficult to be a good father when in jail. This is a tawdry history and its well documented how the War on Drugs has destabilized African American families. But the truth evades you. Always.
 

Uncle Ben

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Sorry to inform you but your head is full of Texas cow shit. No wonder you keep your tube on the dementia channel, AKA Fox news.

The history of the WOD makes it clear that beginning with Nixon and especially under Reagan, anti-drug police actions targeted blacks and other minorities as a propaganda tool. You bought into it completely of course.

It's difficult to be a good father when in jail. This is a tawdry history and its well documented how the War on Drugs has destabilized African American families. But the truth evades you. Always.
It's hard to be any kind of father when your focus is on dealing drugs, shooting up rival gang members and robbing stores.

You dumbass liberals always place blame on some stupid irrevelant shit. Look, I know fine people that minister to prisoners, visit, take them cookies, actually care. The prisoner is there cause they fucked up. God knows we have the most ridiculous feel good appeal in our justice system of any country. Takes 30 years of appeals to take a murderer out via lethal injection? Are you kidding me?
 

whitebb2727

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People with guns kill people. Do you think that he could have been so destructive with a baseball bat? But then again, he could have driven a car into the club and maybe done much worse. So your dumb "only people kill people" is true in some sense but not the one you intended. A person with a weapon kills people. Guns are very easy to use and carry so people use guns to kill people. The two are connected.

Guns are a common instrument in suicide. The probability of a person intentionally killing himself with his gun is tens of times more likely than ever using one to defend. Also guns are tens of times more likely to harm a person close to the gun owner either by accident or intentionally in a criminal act than to be used in defense. Finally, guns are more likely to be used to kill another by a fearful person who would not have done so and nobody would have been hurt than to be used in legitimate defense. The popcorn killer* in a theater in Florida is one example. There are many other examples that I can cite but that would be boring. At the bottom of a very long list of instances where a gun injured or killed another is the case of legitimate defense. Of all the times a gun is used to kill or injure somebody the percentage of those instances that are legitimate defense is 0.8%, or less than 1 time per hundred dead or injured by a gun.

Fortunately, your idea of everybody -- every man woman and child -- carrying a gun is hypothetical. It it were actually true, we'd have mayhem. The numbers of accidents and criminal uses of guns on people would be so large as to become an epidemic. The cases of legitimate defense would be still be tiny. To arm the populace for the rare instance of defense is truly insane.

That said, I don't think the problems of random mass murders is large enough to justify draconian gun control laws. Again, its a tiny risk and not worth the police actions required to eliminate semiautomatic rifles from the gun owner world.

* https://endstandyourground.wordpress.com/2015/12/28/florida-theater-shooting-stand-your-ground/
I can't say that arming the populace for defense of crimes is crazy.

Not too far back in our history everyone was armed. I don't think it would be the issue you claim it to be.

I've often thought that every person needs to take responsibility for protecting themselves, if they don't then they can't ask for police assistance.

I'm sure there would be some mayhem if everyone started carrying.

It would work itself out though. We would be raised around them again and have a more intimate relationship with them. I think people would be more responsible after a period of time.

All of what I've just stated is probably from my up bringing. We lived out in the sticks so far the police and ambulance response times were in hours.

It is not as simple an argument about the gun. Yes, the gun allowed for many people to be killed.

As you say though, a car might have been far worse.

Peolle have been killing each other since we have been around. Technology has made killing easier and more efficient.

I can think of quite a few ways to kill 50 people without a gun. Don't take that out of context.
 

whitebb2727

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Did you do any time for that? I always heard you have to get them into the house for it to be legal to kill them. You shot him on the porch.
In my state, the minute you "break" into my house I can shoot you. The act of forcing yourself into my home is considered lethal force on your part and I'm allowed to shoot.


It happened to me. Woke up to someone trying to kick my door in. The front door and back door were 20 foot apart and I had my wife and six month old at home.

The person is lucky my Pitt bull broke his chain and run them off. I would've killed them the second the door broke.

I didn't want to kill them and I'm glad I didn't have to.

I was also robbed at gunpoint at 16.

The world can be a screwed up place, and humans can be horrible.
 

bluntmassa1

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hat
People treat religion like its a buffet dinner applying and following the rules that don't inconvenience them or take away things they enjoy. Can't eat pork, rabbit, lobster,crab, or any shellfish but thats some tasty shit so fuck we can work around that one. You're not supposed to wear gold, pull out during sex,have tattoos or have braided hair as a woman, and a thousand more people have forgotten about. How many religious people you think follow just those few examples. My guess is not many, but heres their out, all thats in the old testament and everyone knows the OT was written before god got his shit together.
What's fucked up is the kill gays part is old testament too but most see it as a sin while they grow different crops on the same plot. Lol
 

Kalonji

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Ben is right. There is no such thing as an assault rifle.

The ar-15 is a gas fed semi automatic weapon. I have several hunting rifles that are the same thing except look like a hunting rifle.
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No such thing as an assault rifle.
Bro I am quite familiar with a variety of firearms.

My point is that turning the discussion towards the minutiae of firearms categories is a idiot's idea of examining a intractable issue.

"they want all your guns" is the grovelling mantra of half wits.
 

KryptoBud

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Obama and Hillary have already confused this issue, again, over the club shooting.

Do you really think 50 people would be dead if those who desired to were packing concealed weapons that evening? I can't say if accidental crossfires or people shooting themselves wouldn't have happened, but I guarandamntee you that there wouldn't be near as many dead.

And its easy not to shoot yourself with any weapon. Just dont point it at any part of your body while pulling the trigger. They require user input to operate in case you didn't know.

Guns dont kill people. People who dont value human life kill people.
I understand what you're saying, but people having guns isn't gonna stop bombs, grenades,an 18 wheeler crashing into a parade or some sporting event, chemical weapons, gas attacks, poisoning water supplies or imagine a commercial plane crashing into a football stadium. Having guns might may you feel safer but people wanting to cause shit like this will find a way. I think the solution is for the U S to mind their business. For some strange reason our government has to fuck with people and places we have no business fucking with. Then they spin it like its terrorists,jihad,extremists, what ever you wanna call it when something like this happens. In reality this country has been dropping bombs, missles and supplying weapons killing people who live in mud houses,their military is comparable to a large boy scout troupe but they're extreme.
They've occupied and destroyed multiple countries,killed tens of thousands of people,spent billions, and slowly taken away the rights we have under the constitution.Took over afghnistan looking for bin laden and iraq for WMD and found nothing in either place.
They had this kid labeled an isis terrorist before they got into the building. The people in this country are being kept in fear of terror so we can continue to invade countries taking what we want, natural resources in my opinion pretending we're fighting a war on terror. I have no idea how you can fight a war against an idea. Theres no enemy, no uniforms, no military, no boundries,nothing. Very similar to the war on drugs Reagan started and has done absolutely nothing but cost trillions. I live in the boston area and there is a heroin problem that is killing people daily. Last year 1500 deaths in one of the smallest states in the country. Its gone up every year since about 2000. The war on drugs didn't do shit, and now the US controls the largest producer of it in the world and its at epidemic proportions. How does that happen? I hope people will see that its not about guns, closing borders,or religion. If the US stayed in their lane this shit wouldn't happen. It doesn't happen in Canada, Mexico, South America, China,Russia, Ireland, Australia, seems to happen to us and our supporters.
 
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