Medical marijuana producers bristle at Ontario's planned monopoly on recreational cannabis sales

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Canadian medical marijuana producers are already lobbying for a private-sector role in Ontario's recreational cannabis market

In this Wednesday, June 28, 2017, photo, marijuana plants grow at the Desert Grown Farms cultivation facility in Las Vegas. Recreational marijuana becomes legal to buy Saturday in Nevada, but that doesn't mean anything goes in the place where most people think anything goes. Officers say they have been preparing for months to enforce the law passed by voters in November. (AP Photo/John Locher)

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Canadian medical marijuana producers are pushing back against the e-commerce plank of Ontario’s plan to monopolize recreational cannabis sales in the province, with companies touting potentially lower costs to the taxpayer as part of their campaign to claim a share of the coming legal retail market.

Ontario announced last week it will use the province’s liquor control board to oversee the recreational cannabis market when the federal government legalizes it next summer. The province’s plan involves setting up a single retailer with approximately 150 brick-and-mortar stores by 2020, as well an online sales service that will launch by next July.

But some producers have pointed out that there is already a federally managed mail-order system in place for medical marijuana in Canada. They have also noted comments made by the federal government that suggest Ottawa may set up a delivery system for recreational cannabis if provinces can’t meet the July 2018 target date for legalization.

“I just think it’s duplication,” said Greg Engel, chief executive of Organigram Holdings Inc., a New Brunswick-based licensed producer of medical marijuana. “Why create something that is going to be, and is in place already, just for the province of Ontario?”

Ontario, however, says that it is playing it safe when it comes to controlling the new market.

“The experience of other jurisdictions such as the U.S. has shown us that it is better to start with strong controls, and you evaluate the system over time,” Ontario Finance Minister Charles Sousa said Friday.

Ontario’s approach isn’t surprising given its policies for selling alcohol, said Sylvain Charlebois, a professor of food distribution and policy, as well as a dean of the faculty of management at Halifax’s Dalhousie University.

“Private-sector marijuana retailing seems to be off the table, which in turn will allow a government-run crown corporation to distribute and sell this commodity to the public,” wrote Charlebois.

But Canopy Growth Corp., Canada’s largest licensed pot producer, suggested Friday that the private sector should still have a role to play in the province come recreational legalization. The Smith Falls, Ont.-based company has revamped its online operations in anticipation of recreational cannabis sales, launching what it has referred to as an “Amazon-like” site.

“Including e-commerce is a key aspect of this announcement, particularly given the Province’s tiered retail storefront roll-out plan,” said Canopy in a statement, referencing Ontario’s proposal for 40 marijuana stores by 2018, 80 by 2019, and 150 by 2020. “We encourage the government to consider allowing existing licensed producers to continue their e-commerce sales if this can allow for a more cost-effective, expeditious, and varied sales model for Ontarians.”

Canopy also announced Monday that it is branching out into Europe, striking a deal to provide a license to use certain marijuana strains and seeds to Spanish drug company Alcaliber, S.A.

“Entering this agreement with a large, well-recognized European partner like Alcaliber, with a proven background in controlled substances and an ability to produce plant-based medication solidifies our commitment to diversified production capabilities not just in Canada, but also new and emerging cannabis markets,” said Canopy chair and chief executive Bruce Linton in a release.

Medical marijuana is already distributed in Canada through federally licensed producers, ordered online or over the phone and delivered via mail. Ontario has no plans to tinker with the medical model, the province says.

However, federal Finance Minister Bill Morneau said earlier this year that Ottawa would oversee mail-order sales of recreational cannabis for provinces that can’t meet the July 2018 target date for legalization.

Medical producers are still holding out hope that they’ll be allowed to go directly to the recreational consumer in Ontario, Canada’s most populous province and biggest marijuana market. In recent years, Ontario has done so for alcohol retail, allowing for the sale of beer and wine in grocery stores.

“We hope that the Province will allow for private retail sales alongside government owned stores,” said the Cannabis Canada Association, an organization representing licensed producers of medical marijuana, in a statement. “A competitive market model would provide the Province with a predictable, low-risk revenue stream without the taxpayer burdens of upfront capital expenditure exposure and operational risk.”

The Ontario government has said it is expecting modest revenue at first with recreational marijuana sales, but expects business to pick up over time. The in-store experience would be in line with the federal government’s expectations, including restrictions on advertising and keeping products out of sight from young people.

Engel said that, on the medical side, Ontario makes up about a third of his company’s business, and bristled at the province planning for a tobacco-like retail environment in its stores. Like others, Organigram has been working to ramp up its production capacity before the end of pot prohibition.

“Consumers would not have a very good experience,” he said. “Why have a retail location if you’re going to have everything behind a closed shelf or something like that?”
 

GroErr

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Ha, was waiting for them to whine about this, they can't grow it, what makes LP's think they can handle distribution/retail?

While I actually agree with a lot of their points, their (LP's) only focus is to rake in more money at retail and controlling the supply chain vs. Ontario buying volume at dictated prices.

What would make sense would be a totally free market, not just LP's or provincial governments. All within a framework/laws of course, but an even playing field which would allow for craft growers and mom & pop shops. Small business is what drives our economy and job market, not larger big box retailers paying minimum wages with mostly part-time jobs and no benefits. LP's are the big box retailers of MJ, whatever jobs they create will be nothing compared to an open/free market.
 

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Charlebois: Weeding out the weaknesses in Ontario’s marijuana distribution plan


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Published on: September 11, 2017 | Last Updated: September 11, 2017 2:52 PM EDT
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This marshmallow treat sold in some of Ottawa's illegal pot shops is produced by a company called Mary's Medibles in B.C. marysmedibles

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Ontario has set the legal age limit at 19 for purchasing marijuana, but few specifics were given on pricing or costs. Most important, no consideration has been given to edible cannabis products, or how these products will be marketed once they are eventually legalized. Nor have guidelines for home cultivation and use been contextualized, especially for households with children. Cooking at home with marijuana, for example, can be tricky. What’s more, the food service industry and restaurants were not even mentioned in the announcement.

Cannabis is the most widely used illicit drug in the developed world. Its use has, for the longest time, been associated with negative social and economic outcomes. By legalizing marijuana for recreational use, many wonder how it could affect food in general – and it will, despite Ontario’s wishes. The law will not allow edibles, for now. But the black market remains and may impact everything else the province is trying to achieve in mitigating risks for the public.

Since the federal government’s announcement that cannabis will be legalized, several food companies, processors and distributors are considering the possibility of commercializing cannabis-infused products. In some U.S. states where marijuana is already legal, consumers can purchase a variety of marijuana-infused food products from fudge, cookies, and brownies to hard candies, gelato and even gummy bears. Yes, candy. Some food products, such as marijuana brownies, have long been a staple of cannabis coffee shops in some parts of the world, but the new products are quite different and may be deceiving.

They are skilfully produced and packaged to closely mimic popular candies and other sweets. Making cannabis more readily available to children, especially in edible forms, represents significant risks. Research shows marijuana use can be damaging to children and their developing brains, and of course, to fetuses through use by expectant women. Having no policy framework related to edibles, or pretending the problem does not exist, will lead to more challenges down the road.

Ontario was completely tight-lipped on many facets of a highly complex marijuana puzzle. The stigma of marijuana use clearly got the better of the Ontario government. Looking at retailing the product is one thing. But it is worthwhile considering its various applications beyond the exchange between the seller and the customer. Instead, Ontario has adopted an excessively prudent, incremental deployment strategy to the marketing of marijuana across the province. Again, this is unsurprisingly shortsighted.

With the legalization of recreational marijuana, Canada is following in the footsteps of a few states in the U.S., and edible marijuana products have been tremendously popular in these markets. Edibles with marijuana raise public health concerns, including, as mentioned above, the risk of consumption by children. Making them illegal won’t solve anything since they will reach the market, one way or another. The food service industry is also considering its options with the looming legalization of marijuana. Some guidance by provinces would serve the public well, particularly at a time where many wonder how marijuana, once it is a legal food ingredient, could potentially impact our society.

While governments may see the legalization of recreational marijuana as an interesting new source of substantial revenue, risks associated with the prevalence of marijuana use as a food ingredient have not been clearly articulated. Even with the few stores Ontario will operate, the amount of revenue will likely motivate the province to reconsider its options in this field. No doubt, more stores will open.

But as the province grows its addiction to marijuana tax revenues, it should also consider how it will develop guidelines for edibles, and for marijuana as a food ingredient for domestic use. Or else, the underground market will occupy that space and that is not a desirable outcome.
 

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Legalizing marijuana won't shut down black market: RCMP official
Colorado, where marijuana was legalized in 2014, has been 'slowly displacing organized crime year over year,' an official said. Representatives from Colorado and Washington state will address the committee on Tuesday


Leader of the federal task force on marijuana Anne McLellan at a news conference in Ottawa, Dec. 13, 2016. Adrian Wyld / The Canadian Press




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September 11, 2017
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It would be “naïve” to think that marijuana legalization will shut down the black market for the drug, an RCMP official stated during the first day of the House of Commons health committee’s study of the federal cannabis bill.

There are a number of issues that will need to be addressed to fight organized crime, including the possibility that the black market could undercut legal marijuana sales, Joanne Crampton, RCMP assistant commissioner of federal policing criminal operations, told the committee Monday morning.

As for the odds of eliminating the black market through legalization — it would be “naïve to think that that could happen,” she said in answer to a question from Liberal MP John Oliver.

The Trudeau government tabled its bill to legalize marijuana in April, promising that pot will be legal by July 2018. The legislation is being scrutinized before the House of Commons resumes on Sept. 18.

Anne McLellan, who led the federal task force on legalizing marijuana, told the committee that pricing will be key to the success of the legal market, but said that Washington state hasn’t seen an increase in marijuana use among young people since legalization.

Kathy Thompson, an assistant deputy minister in the Department of Public Safety, said it will take “some time” and a “robust regime” for legal marijuana to overtake the black market. She said the government will need to meet the demand for legal pot, and that pricing will be “very important.”

Colorado, where marijuana was legalized in 2014, has been “slowly displacing organized crime year over year,” Thompson claimed. Representatives from Colorado and Washington state will address the House committee on Tuesday.

Thompson also pointed to the federal government’s announcement of $274 million for pot-related policing and border enforcement on Friday, which she said will “ensure that (the RCMP and CBSA) have an intelligence-led approach to tackling and targeting organized crime.”

In answer to a question from NDP MP Don Davies, Thompson indicated the government will not consider a streamlined process for pardoning those who’ve been recently convicted of pot possession.


Tyler Williams of Blanchester, Ohio selects marijuana strains to purchase at the 3-D Denver Discrete Dispensary on January 1, 2014 in Denver, Colorado. Theo Stroomer / Getty Images
Statistics Canada data shows that 17,733 people were charged with possession of marijuana in 2016, equal to 76 per cent of all cannabis-related charges.

Currently, Canadians must wait at least five years after completing their sentence to apply for a pardon, and must pay a $631 fee to the Parole Board of Canada.

During a forum with VICE Canada in April, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said his government would “take steps to look at what we can do for those folks who have criminal records for something that would no longer be criminal.”

But on Monday, Thompson said the government has “no plans at this time to introduce an automatic pardon.”

Many of the specifics around pot legalization have been left to the provinces to hammer out.

On Friday, Ontario unveiled its plan for legal marijuana, which would restrict the sale to 150 government-run stores opened throughout the province by 2020. Ontario also opted to set the minimum legal age for recreational consumption at 19, while the federal minimum age is 18.

Some questions have been raised about whether the provinces could effectively prohibit legal marijuana use by hiking the minimum age or decreasing the personal possession limit to zero.

But Diane Labelle, general counsel for Health Canada legal services, said it’s unlikely that would fly, because it would run counter to the federal law. “Then a court challenge could look at the situation and see to what extent Parliament’s law has been frustrated,” she said.

Davies also raised concerns about the fact that edible marijuana products aren’t covered by this bill, saying that edibles make up a growing portion of Canada’s marijuana market.
 

gb123

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ITS GONNA FAIL MISERABLY AND THEY KNOW IT TOO
sucks to be them eh ;)





Canada is edging closer to the July 2018 target date for the legalization of marijuana in a haze of political smoke.

With every new development, the gap between the political narrative attending the initiative and its actual implementation is harder to bridge.

Take the federal government’s talking points. They have greatly evolved since Justin Trudeau was campaigning on university campuses in the last election campaign. Logic has not always benefited from that evolution.

To hear the prime minister these days, the point of the policy is to make it harder for minors to buy marijuana. Clearly, Canada is making its peace with marijuana the better to fight it.

According to Trudeau, that will be achieved by imposing stiffer penalties on those who sell weed illegally and/or drive under the influence. There is a commitment to government-funded public education campaigns to drive home the health risks associated with marijuana.

Fair enough, but those are all measures a health-conscious federal government could have undertaken without jumping through the hoops of legalizing the substance.

The oft-missing link in the Liberal talking points is how Trudeau’s stated goal ties in with the legal sale of marijuana.

Proponents of the plan talk of the need to replace a thriving underground market with a regulated one. The calculation, or at least the hope, is that legal competition will accomplish what judicial repression has so far failed to achieve. But to do that one must be willing to use means on par with policy ambitions.

In the federal/provincial division of labour, setting the legal marijuana business on a competitive footing is left to the discretion of individual provinces. It is a politically uncomfortable task for which none is particularly enthusiastic.

Cue the government of Ontario.

On Friday it became the first to come up with a template to sell marijuana.

As Canada’s largest province, Ontario stands to set the tone for much of the rest of the country. Many of its sister provinces are still seeking advice from experts and/or sounding out constituents.

Quebec, for instance, has yet to decide something as basic as whether to apply the legal age to buy alcohol to marijuana.

Ontario is set to use age 19 for both categories.

But the Ontario blueprint falls well short of the purported goal of driving those who sell weed illegally out of business.

If anything over the next few years, it stands to fatten the golden goose that is the marijuana black market rather than kill it.

The plan is to establish a government monopoly on the selling of marijuana. The LCBO would run the operation in stores distinct from its liquor outlets. Ontario would open 80 pot shops by July 1, 2019 and another 70 over the following year.

It would take a lot more than 150 outlets and quite a bit longer than two years to flood the market with legal marijuana in a province the size of Ontario.

For the sake of comparison, Colorado, with a population of less than six million people, initially opened 136 venues for the purpose of legally selling marijuana.

Ontario, with more than double that population and a larger territory, is planning to offer little more than the same number. It is as if a cheese artisan set out to drive Kraft out of business by setting up a stall at the St. Lawrence Market in Toronto.

At the same time Ontario would clamp down on illegal storefront dispensaries.

Under the guise of creating a state-run monopoly, the province is running the risk of creating more demand for the services of the very people it purports to drive out of business.

I have never tried marijuana. Not even in high school when everyone else seemed to be partaking in the weed experience. But that was not for lack of availability.

I cannot think of a time at any point in my adult life when I could not have easily procured a joint. That is particularly true of the period over which I was raising teenagers.

Unless they have been living on another planet, the provincial and federal politicians who are debating the upcoming legalization of marijuana must be familiar with the omnipresence and the reach of the underground market. And they must know that half-hearted measures tend to yield costly failures.
 

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The mayor of Brantford is slamming the province's plan to manage the sale of marijuana, saying it shuts out small businesses and farmers from a potentially enormous economic opportunity.

"You are bringing in legalized (marijuana), the largest potential cash crop, and you have industrialized it," Chris Friel told CBC News. "What about the generations of farmers who are looking for alternate crops? What opportunity was available for them?"

The province announced on Saturday that the LCBO is set to oversee the sale of recreational marijuana through an online ordering service and several standalone stores.

The proposed minimum age to use, purchase and possess recreational marijuana is 19.



Friel said the plan limits consumer choice and introduces accessibility problems, and stated that "(the province) just guaranteed the black market will thrive, particularly in the rural areas."


Brantford mayor Chris Friel says the pot plan limits consumer choice and will help the black market thrive. (Reg Beaudry/ urbanicity)



He hoped the province would use a model similar to how alcohol is retailed where he said there are opportunities for smaller businesses to participate through operating craft breweries.

"The only people who are going to benefit from this are multi-millionaires who can afford to be able to get into industrial production of marijuana," he said.

He also added that interpreting the new laws will be difficult for local law enforcement because municipalities were not involved in the conversation with regards to regulation.

'Cultural change' not considered
Friel said Ontario's announcement overlooked the cultural change that's set to come along with the legalization of marijuana.



He said that health education needs to be included in the plan at the start, especially for people who may not have considered using marijuana recreationally before.

"Put the education out there for people to understand so they can make their own decisions about what they want to do as adults in this province," he said.

"We have to fit it into our cultures, our communities in a way that we're comfortable with."
 

GroErr

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Trudeau f'd this up by allowing the provinces to control so many aspects of the program. Big FAIL no matter how you look at it. It addresses none of the real issues, a quick & dirty slap it together program to allow him to keep his campaign promise of legalization.
 

torontoke

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Trudeau f'd this up by allowing the provinces to control so many aspects of the program. Big FAIL no matter how you look at it. It addresses none of the real issues, a quick & dirty slap it together program to allow him to keep his campaign promise of legalization.
Think he realizes he's already fuk'd himself out of re election.
There's no way he could honestly believe that this nonesense helps the greater good for the lives of fellow Canadians.
Smells like a cash grab for him and his buddies to make a lil for a golden parachute.
The only way this could be more insulting to ontarians is if they come out and say the stores will employ another 25 000 Syrians which wouldn't surprise me one bit.
It would be 25000 Syrian lesbians if it were up to Wayne
 
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GroErr

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Think he realizes he's already fuk'd himself out of re election.
There's no way he could honestly believe that this nonesense helps the greater good for the lives of fellow Canadians.
Smells like a cash grab for him and his buddies to make a lil for a golden parachute.
The only way this could be more insulting to ontarians is if they come out and say the stores will employ another 25 000 Syrians which wouldn't surprise me one bit.
It would be 25000 Syrian lesbians if it were up to Wayne
And they tout the program with a straight face as if we're all f'n morons. It's just insulting now.
 

CalyxCrusher

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Think he realizes he's already fuk'd himself out of re election.
There's no way he could honestly believe that this nonesense helps the greater good for the lives of fellow Canadians.
Smells like a cash grab for him and his buddies to make a lil for a golden parachute.
The only way this could be more insulting to ontarians is if they come out and say the stores will employ another 25 000 Syrians which wouldn't surprise me one bit.
It would be 25000 Syrian lesbians if it were up to Wayne
Between that and making a terrorist a multi millionaire Id say he's guaranteed himself no re election
 

ttystikk

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Unfuckingbelievable.

A state run monopoly? Only millionaires can produce for it?

What kind of monopolistic stupidity is this?!

The only thing that works is the free market and open competition. Regulate for safety and transparency and let the market sort it out.

This is a cash grab of ten figure proportions and they're happy to let the sick and poor pay for it. Fuck their 'morality' arguments; those are as bankrupt as this scam perpetrated on Canadian citizens.

Despicable.
 

The Hippy

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Unfuckingbelievable.

A state run monopoly? Only millionaires can produce for it?

What kind of monopolistic stupidity is this?!

The only thing that works is the free market and open competition. Regulate for safety and transparency and let the market sort it out.

This is a cash grab of ten figure proportions and they're happy to let the sick and poor pay for it. Fuck their 'morality' arguments; those are as bankrupt as this scam perpetrated on Canadian citizens.

Despicable.
Yes...some of us saw this saw this coming three years ago. Now we have last one junior maggot boys and nurses sucking the tit for gold juice.
 

BobCajun

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If it actually happens, legalization will boost BM sales and provide cover. People won't be skittish about buying an oz of weed from you when they know that if they get pulled over on the way home, no biggie. And since they can't buy quantity from LPs, guess who they'll have to go to if they want to reduce their costs by getting a QP? That's right, Joe Dreadlock. He'll fix you up. And since 12 year olds will get next to no consequences, that opens up the kiddie market.
 
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