Mexico

Padawanbater2 · May 15, 2012

I've heard a few different reports of the numbers, figures ranging from 42,000-60,000 people have been killed in Mexico since 2006. 13 bodies were discovered a couple weeks ago hanging from a freeway overpass, 49 decapitated, handless, and footless bodies were discovered over the mothers day weekend. This shit is out of fucking control!

Why do you think our government hasn't taken a more central role in this madness? Changed policies? Looked at the evidence?

The corruption south of the border is unparalleled. Some of the drug lords who run the cartels are former federal agents, former police chiefs. They kill police (7% of total deaths), judges, politicians, even civilians without batting an eye. In ways exactly like AQ or Taliban members.

Even American citizens have been killed, I read a report recently about Los Zetas stopping some buses and executing people they suspected of being rival cartel members on the side of the road and burying them in makeshift shallow graves along the highway, one of them held American citizenship.

Why the hell are we in the middle east when shit like this is happening 90 miles south of Texas?

WileyCoyote · May 15, 2012

Because tension in the Middle East could very well escalate global nuclear war...did you really not realize that?

What a moderator...

Padawanbater2 · May 15, 2012

WileyCoyote said:
Because tension in the Middle East could very well escalate global nuclear war...did you really not realize that?

What a moderator...

That seems like a pretty simplistic answer, would you care to elaborate?

Also, again, being a mod doesn't give you special powers or make you a genius

Dizzle Frost · May 15, 2012

Thats how Mexicans do things , they cut people up ... look at the DEA/CIA for the solution, there the ones who are fueling it all .. so odds are it wont stop

redivider · May 15, 2012

Dizzle Frost said:
Thats how Mexicans do things , they cut people up ... look at the DEA/CIA for the solution, there the ones who are fueling it all .. so odds are it wont stop

that's awfully stereotypical, given how people all over the world have the capacity to commit atrocities.

here's a list:

http://crunkish.com/top-ten-most-gruesome-murders/

the 1st: killed parents with 29 whacks of an axe. father's face was shredded to pieces and the left eye had been manually pulled out.

one of the more famous ones, number two on the list:

#2 Ed Gein’s House of Skin

Edward Gein

Edward Gein is without a doubt one of the most notorious American murderers in history. Although only two murders were proven against him, he has become legendary due to his strange necrophiliac behaviors. He dug up corpses, skinned his victims and created furniture and clothing from their bodies. Strange items found in his house include a collection of shrunken heads, a human skin-sheath, a box containing preserved vulvas that Gein wore, socks made of human skin, a belt of nipples, human skullcaps being used as soup bowls, lampshades and chair seats made from human skin and a mammary vest made from a woman’s torso.

cannofbliss · May 15, 2012

drugs + illegal = increased violence

drugs + freedom to use = increased peace

Dizzle Frost · May 15, 2012

Yeah thats all fine and dandy but he was talking about Mexican cartel violence .... so no its not stereotypical at all ... i grew up in the murder capitol so i know how killing works across the board

tomahawk2406 · May 15, 2012

Padawanbater2 said:
I've heard a few different reports of the numbers, figures ranging from 42,000-60,000 people have been killed in Mexico since 2006. 13 bodies were discovered a couple weeks ago hanging from a freeway overpass, 49 decapitated, handless, and footless bodies were discovered over the mothers day weekend. This shit is out of fucking control!

Why do you think our government hasn't taken a more central role in this madness? Changed policies? Looked at the evidence?

The corruption south of the border is unparalleled. Some of the drug lords who run the cartels are former federal agents, former police chiefs. They kill police (7% of total deaths), judges, politicians, even civilians without batting an eye. In ways exactly like AQ or Taliban members.

Even American citizens have been killed, I read a report recently about Los Zetas stopping some buses and executing people they suspected of being rival cartel members on the side of the road and burying them in makeshift shallow graves along the highway, one of them held American citizenship.

Why the hell are we in the middle east when shit like this is happening 90 miles south of Texas?

i ask this question all the time

WileyCoyote · May 15, 2012

Padawanbater2 said:
That seems like a pretty simplistic answer, would you care to elaborate?

Also, again, being a mod doesn't give you special powers or make you a genius

OK, sir, I will elaborate.

Any war that involves a serious challange against Israel (that approaches victory against Israel) will turn nuclear, because Israel will dump their entire arsenal before going down. Then Russia would join, and the US will be forced to join, then China, India, and most probably Pakistan as well. Then maybe North Korea...

Regardless of whether or not my order of entry is correct, war in the Middle East could very well escalate into World War III, decided by who can cause the most mushroom clouds...which would guarantee no winners...except the few single-cell organisms that would survive and re-start evolution...

Attrocieties in Mexico are TERRIBLE, I agree, and should be STOPPED NOW...but the consequences there do not even approach those of global nuclear war...

tomahawk2406 · May 15, 2012

WileyCoyote said:
Because tension in the Middle East could very well escalate global nuclear war...did you really not realize that?

What a moderator...

i figured having half the fucking military over there really wouldn't help much, but thats just me i guess. mexico needs help.......

desert dude · May 15, 2012

redivider said:
that's awfully stereotypical, given how people all over the world have the capacity to commit atrocities.

here's a list:

http://crunkish.com/top-ten-most-gruesome-murders/

the 1st: killed parents with 29 whacks of an axe. father's face was shredded to pieces and the left eye had been manually pulled out.

one of the more famous ones, number two on the list:

#2 Ed Gein’s House of Skin

Edward Gein

Edward Gein is without a doubt one of the most notorious American murderers in history. Although only two murders were proven against him, he has become legendary due to his strange necrophiliac behaviors. He dug up corpses, skinned his victims and created furniture and clothing from their bodies. Strange items found in his house include a collection of shrunken heads, a human skin-sheath, a box containing preserved vulvas that Gein wore, socks made of human skin, a belt of nipples, human skullcaps being used as soup bowls, lampshades and chair seats made from human skin and a mammary vest made from a woman’s torso.

What motivates you to pursue this freaky shit?

Moses Mobetta · May 15, 2012

Corruption this side of the border is why Mexico is what it is. The huge US market and we deal on both sides of the Drug war, seems things are just the way those in power want them. When that changes then things in Mexico will change.

psari · May 15, 2012

Part of it is the administration of various programs down there. We had the Federal Police problem that sort of cleared up, then the cartels took over. Problem is we feed them weapons and monetary support as well as intelligence sharing ... Very costly and almost zero impact. It is one of those things where you literally cannot kill enough people fast enough to make it stop. Especially if you only focus on top players. One of the cartel turf wars is thanks to strategic elimination of key players in the Central region ...

While this is old, it is very poignant to the mentality of the drug warriors and other operatives. Article source: http://www.salon.com/2011/04/15/dea_children/

Main quote:

U.S. and Mexican officials say the grotesque violence is a symptom the cartels have been wounded by police and soldiers. It may seem contradictory, but the unfortunate level of violence is a sign of success in the fight against drugs, said Michele Leonhart, head of the Drug Enforcement Administration. The cartels are like caged animals, attacking one another, she added.

Padawanbater2 · May 15, 2012

psari said:
Main quote:
U.S. and Mexican officials say the grotesque violence is a symptom the cartels have been wounded by police and soldiers. “It may seem contradictory, but the unfortunate level of violence is a sign of success in the fight against drugs,” said Michele Leonhart, head of the Drug Enforcement Administration. The cartels “are like caged animals, attacking one another,” she added.

That fucking person needs to be removed from that post immediately. She has no idea what the fuck she is talking about.

DelSlow · May 16, 2012

The U.S. is the largest consumer of illegal drugs in the WORLD. It makes no sense to continue the drug war. People have been using drugs, both legal and illegal, since the dawn of time. End this nonsense, legalize all drugs and let people decide for themselves.

Think about all the jobs the drug war creates. How many people would lose their job if the drug war ended? They don't care if a million people die. This war will never end.

tomahawk2406 · May 16, 2012

DelSlow said:
The U.S. is the largest consumer of illegal drugs in the WORLD. It makes no sense to continue the drug war. People have been using drugs, both legal and illegal, since the dawn of time. End this nonsense, legalize all drugs and let people decide for themselves.

Think about all the jobs the drug war creates. How many people would lose their job if the drug war ended? They don't care if a million people die. This war will never end.

eeehhhhhhhhhh................

Padawanbater2 · May 17, 2012

Here's a visual representation of the violence going on (relatively SFW)... unbelievable. Imagine if this stuff was going on in the streets of the United States...

http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2012/05/mexicos-drug-war-50-000-dead-in-6-years/100299/#

Mr Neutron · May 18, 2012

sheesh, maybe I should move. ;-)

Padawanbater2 · May 20, 2012

Mr Neutron said:
sheesh, maybe I should move.

What part of Mexico do you live in? Have you witnessed any of this crazy shit first hand? What is the political climate in Mexico like, government officials, police officers? Do you trust them overall, do you believe they're all corrupt? What about the president and his cabinet/staff? I don't see how this could be happening if the president wasn't in on it somehow.

Mr Neutron · May 21, 2012

It's all blown out of proportion to sell advertising. If it bleeds it leads.
I used to live in the north, central highlands about 150 miles west of Tampico, now I live just south of Tijuana.
No, dodging bullets is not a daily routine. I've had more cause for concern in Houston, Pittsburg, Chicago and LA than I have anyplace in Mexico.

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