MI State Police Searching Smartphones

Winter Woman

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The Michigan State Police is reportedly searching drivers' cell phones, accessing contacts, pictures, texts, and even geo-location data, raising questions about privacy abuses in the digital age.


Civil liberties activist group ACLU accuses the MSP of extracting private information from peoples' phones, saying the police are violating the Fourth Amendment. The police are reportedly using specialized devices from Cellebrite to access people's phones during routine traffic stops with no probable cause or suspicion of wrongdoing.

The devices can even access some information that's password protected, according to reports.

The MSP says it will hand over information about its cell phone searches to the ACLU for an patently obstructionist $500,000 processing fee.

"Cell phones contain information that many people consider to be private, to be beyond the reach of law enforcement and other government actors," said Mark Fancher, ACLU attorney. "There is great potential for abuse here by a police officer or state trooper who may not be monitored or supervised on the street."

Detailed information about the user's friends, movements, activities, and political and religious views could be easily gleaned from trove of messages, photos and contacts in many peoples' smartphones.

But regulations on how and when law enforcement officials can collect such mobile data are arguably still fuzzy. Technology has far outpaced mobile and Internet privacy legislation. The Electronics Communication Privacy Act is 25 years old and doesn't cover Twitter, Facebook or iPhones.

Taking advantage of the confusion, some authorities simply assume privacy protections are minimal, as in Michigan. A recent California court case seems to give police the right to use data from an arrestee's cell phone against him in court without a warrant. The Department of Homeland Security also reportedly searches phones and laptops at airports with murky legal justification.

The new reality of mobile technology demands specific new privacy legislation to offer the same protections that are enshrined in the Constitution. Until those protections are enforced across the States, those who value their Fourth Amendment rights may wish to avoid Michigan.
 

mystifiedbongs

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Not cool dude, my friend got popped cause a kid he sold to got caught and they looked through his phone finding incriminating messages sent to and from my friend
 

Winter Woman

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Wow, that is just unbelievable that they will just walk over their citizens rights. Here's more.

"The Michigan State Police have a high-tech mobile forensics device that can be used to extract information from cell phones belonging to motorists stopped for minor traffic violations. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of Michigan last Wednesday demanded that state officials stop stonewalling freedom of information requests for information on the program. A US Department of Justice test of the CelleBrite UFED used by Michigan police found the device could grab all of the photos and video off of an iPhone within one-and-a-half minutes. The device works with 3000 different phone models and can even defeat password protections. 'Complete extraction of existing, hidden, and deleted phone data, including call history, text messages, contacts, images, and geotags,' a CelleBrite brochure explains regarding the device's capabilities" Popular Mechanics has a short conversation with a 4th Amendment lawyer about the practice of slurping cellphone data, too, though it's unclear if the Michigan police are actually using these devices to their full potential.​
 

a dog named chico

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wow thats why you shouldn't use your cell for incriminating things, even without software your logg can be pulled (just look at Kilpatrick). however this is BS, i see a lot of women being pulled over so cops can raid their cell pics
 

Winter Woman

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It doesn't have be on your phone. Just imagine what someone else has said about you in a text message and that my friend is probable cause.
 

deprave

New Member
Use prepay phones, many don't even need so much as your name , not my phone.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
 

ktwister

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So what's to stop the motorist from just turning off their phone completely or removing it's power source ?

Is there a law against removing your phone battery now ?
Wasn't sure :sleep:

Also,... doesn't Goggle get fined for this practice all the time in their wireless pickups from their countless roaming Google Earth projects ?
It's funny that if don't work for a major corporation or the police and are doing this,... you are a hacker/terrorist. Very interesting :wall:
 

abudtokr

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Ok so this means we can search there phones right? Or they have to produce there phones to there bosses once a week? Only fair right?
 

MIway

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I'd imagine it all depends... on whether the local cops have the budget to afford these... whether or not the dept even cares to have it... whether or not they even have the time to use it... whether or not you give em consent... whether or not ???

Don't exactly see the Wayne Co cops having the time to screw around by looking at peoples (normal traffic stops) texts... right? I mean the traffic stops I've noticed have to do with income generation & they'r having as little work to follow up on as possible. Who's going to go through all the varying texts to follow up on someone's bullshit text on how bad ass their last drop was? Now, if they bust someone for whatever & that guy narcs you out??? That's always been the real concern, and still is.

Anyway... if they ask, just say no.
 

gwhunran

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Why are people handing over their phones? I wouldn't think they had the authority to take it. What am I missing here?
 

MIway

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to show em the bad ass harvest about ready to chop, along with the cool new gps tagging feature along with 3D mapping... and a full hd recorded walk through at 4G LTE speeds... its bad ass... wanna show everyone, ya know? ;-)
 

deprave

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Why are people handing over their phones? I wouldn't think they had the authority to take it. What am I missing here?
its a remote device that hacks into your phone, you dont even have to hand them your phone they can check it from their cruiser remotely and it can even get to password protected information, if u get pulled over turn off your phone I would say as a minimal precaution but really just don't have incriminating things on your phone - the best option is don't use smart phones all together - for maximum freedom use the prepay throw away phones like gophone, they are actually very nice good functional phones and the phone company doesn't even have your information (not even your name)
 

Winter Woman

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Problem is if someone else is stopped and they hand over their phone and there is a text about picking up something from you or took a pic without you knowing it; you can be in big trouble.

It doesn't have to be on YOUR phone! I doubt our political leader will protect us or our rights.

I can't believe I agree with the ACLU. Either I'm changing or the government is.
 

bobbypyn

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Why are people handing over their phones? I wouldn't think they had the authority to take it. What am I missing here?
they never touch your phone. they don't need to with these data sucking devices. well, now ya know; IF PULLED OVER, REMOVE YOUR BATTERY FROM PHONE AND DON"T OWN A FUCKING iPHONE!!!!
 
they never touch your phone. they don't need to with these data sucking devices. well, now ya know; IF PULLED OVER, REMOVE YOUR BATTERY FROM PHONE AND DON"T OWN A FUCKING iPHONE!!!!
if this is the case then why bother to pull someone over? Can't they just follow behind you while their magic device sucks your data down?
 

bobbypyn

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if this is the case then why bother to pull someone over? Can't they just follow behind you while their magic device sucks your data down?

ooooo good point! ok, new advice is only turn your phone on when making a call & not in view of any vehicle you suspect could be law enforcement. does that cover it? we're fucked.

i wanna know the fucking range of effectiveness on these satanic machines

in court they need probable cause to effect a search so a traffic violation usually suffices for the gestapo treatment, so I'm assuming in order for anything gained in this manner to stick in court they will need to pull you over for some bullshit traffic violation before what they suck is admissible in court. check local laws.
 

fatfarmer

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:eyesmoke:About 5yrs. ago a good friend was in his last days.He was an old KKK :fire:member from back in the early 50's.I ask him what was the biggest worry he had about today's Gov.He said back in his day's of hell raising,all they could do is tap your phone lines.:sleep:But now they listen from above:finger:,and you are never safe.I learn to listen to the old people,they got alot to give!! Please try to do the same!!!:weed::peace:
 

lilmrschronic

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Wow, crazy shit. Glad I don't use those smart phones and don't do anything incriminating on my old school cell phone. When my husband was arrested about 4 years back for a "driving while under the influence of drugs" we smoked a j and then got pulled over about a half hour later, it still smelled in the car and even though we didn't have anything on us, they tested his urine and charged him with this, just as bad as a drunk driving, but anyway, the county police went through his phone right in front of him while he was behind bars and made comments and watched and looked at all the dirty pics and vids of us that were on the phone. He filed a complaint and nothing ever came of it, because we used to live in a small town that just swept everything under the rug. It really sucks that cops are so fucking crooked and are able to do things like this. They definitely couldn't afford shit like that here in Wayne co lol. I am definitely going to look into this further, because it makes me really uneasy. Thanks for the info =)
 

sheapdog420

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4th and 5th amendments. That's all I would say to them. And that my phone is in my trunk. Get a fucking warrant!
 
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