Michigan Gray Areas?

Feel free to post any interesting tidbits of information, which may fall into any gray areas, regarding Michigan laws.


Specifically, I'm wondering about the plant vs cuttings vs clones vs drying plants dilemma. Last time I checked these threads, I couldn't really find a good answer involving this debate; half of the person's used the argument of "not wanting to try to convince the police that clones were not plants," while the other arguments revolved around "no roots, no plant."

Consider some worst case scenarios in a typical single patient growing model (6 plants vegging, 6 plants flowering, with 6 whole (uncut) plants hanging for 1 week after each harvest):

a) Cuttings taken one week prior to the veg->flower switch: 18 plants (6 Cuttings, 6 Vegging, 6 Flowering)?

b) Cuttings taken exactly at veg->flower switch: 18 plants (6 Cuttings, 6 Flowering, 6 "plants" Drying)?


The only option to completely separate oneself from these gray areas seems to be:

c) Cuttings taken after drying period, which extends the lockstep harvest cycle by one week and accounts for a one week deadzone in either the vegging room (cuttings taken from plants 1 week into flower) or flowering room (cuttings taken from one extra week vegged plants).


Any insight(s)? Experience/experiences? Other gray area concerns (selling to collectives, etc)? Though, I'm especially interested in people's opinions regarding options a - c above.

It's more like 5 plants veg, 5 plants flower plus the mother, unless your just taking clones from clones. I wouldn't consider buds drying as plants since they're cut up.
Clones...maybe once they're rooted can be considered a plant.

I'm no lawyer/lawmaker....this is just my opinion.

I was trying to simplify the discussion a bit with the 6 Vegging/6 Flowering model (though I would prefer not having mothers). And by "cut up," do you simply mean the root system being removed? My other assumption was that by hanging a "whole" plant (main stem cut from roots), we would have an even more defining line between usable/unusable meds to stay under that pesky 2.5 oz usable limit.

From co-op owners and hydro shop owners and my lawyer I gather that no root no plant is true but the officer will be the defining factor.

Also the law states that your allowed to hold 2.5 oz of "useable" marijuana. Your hanging plant is now marijuana and not a plant until it is cured it's not useable. You can label different jars adding up to 2.5 oz with dates when they'll be ready so a dew weeks apart. This agian will be up to the cop but will hold up in court as un useable marijuana if it's not ready it's not ready. Otherwise they would be able to come in and chop your 6 plants and weigh them right there you'd have like 30lbs of soaking wet weed.

My only grey area question lies without what qualifies as a enclosed locked facility a 8 foot fence that's fenced on top like a dog kennel that's locked is an enclosed locked facility but I've heard of greenhouses getting raided.

We need to push for laws allowing us to grow outside and to raise the amount one is allowed to hold more than 2.5 oz to 8 oz like most other states. We need to use cali as a model to base our laws off of since they've been doing it for 15 years now.

Instead Michigan used them as a model of what not to do even tho the money generated stays local and employs a ton of ppl

The clone thing i would be very careful with. if your doing a perpetual grow I would take clones when you cut your flowering plants down. If you don't want to keep mothers (which is better clones of clones lose vigor over time) just cut the bottom branches that would typically be cut off.

Also you could set up a scrog grow. This will be the highest yielding way to grow in michigans 12 plant restriction in a perpetual grow. Using 4 plant intervals 4 in flower/veg/clones/moms. I yeild almost 2x as much as I would with the same light/veg time. It's all 2 month intervals as soon as I'm done flowering my veg plants that have been LST'd and tied down for 2 months goes into flowering I keep 2 moms and can put 2 regular style plants in flowering if I want to.

Basicly my 4 scroged plants fill 2 separate 2.5x5ft screens, 2 per screen, and I yeild between 1-1.5oz per sq ft which comes out to 25 oz average. Now there's no way veggin 6 plants for 2 months will you get 5 oz per plant.

Klo$etBreeder said:

The clone thing i would be very careful with. if your doing a perpetual grow I would take clones when you cut your flowering plants down. If you don't want to keep mothers (which is better clones of clones lose vigor over time) just cut the bottom branches that would typically be cut off.

Also you could set up a scrog grow. This will be the highest yielding way to grow in michigans 12 plant restriction in a perpetual grow. Using 4 plant intervals 4 in flower/veg/clones/moms. I yeild almost 2x as much as I would with the same light/veg time. It's all 2 month intervals as soon as I'm done flowering my veg plants that have been LST'd and tied down for 2 months goes into flowering I keep 2 moms and can put 2 regular style plants in flowering if I want to.

Basicly my 4 scroged plants fill 2 separate 2.5x5ft screens, 2 per screen, and I yeild between 1-1.5oz per sq ft which comes out to 25 oz average. Now there's no way veggin 6 plants for 2 months will you get 5 oz per plant.

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Do you have a grow journal or can you go into more detail about your system? My plan right now that I am trying to start is 6 plants in flower, 10 days apart, for 60 days total flowering; which leaves me room for a mother and 5 babies (in my veg room) between clone<->root<->veg....