Michigan Senate Bill #17 - Banning clubs and dispensaries

Timmahh

Well-Known Member
When you look at the republicans way of "fixing" the budget crisis via big business and appointing dictators, then look at their stance on afforable healthcare, excuse me I mean OBAMACARES JOB KILLING SOCIALISIM, which is the dowmfall of America. It seems like they and the dictators they appoint just grabbed a massive amount of power and control at the expense of us voters.
We the people need our own emergency oh my god the government is out of control, got us in the financial mess in the first place, why then do we pay for it with both our money and our political voice manager.
i believe the framers of our Constitution of the "United States" in fact, outlined just this situation, and wrote laws that "We the People" have a DUTY to uphold.
Quoted from Stand Up America Blog.

The Stand Up America Blog

Our ‘right’ and ‘duty’ to throw off unjust government!

The Declaration of Independence states that our government derives its just – or lawful – powers from the “consent of the governed.” The underlying principle implied in the Declaration was that “We the People” are the true and rightful government of the United States, and as Abraham Lincoln declared in his Gettysburg Address, “government of the people by the people and for the people shall not perish from this earth.” Elected and appointed officials are managers selected to work on our behalf in order to accomplish our collective will. We do not, however, elect them to dictate what our will is, or should be.
However, in the event that our government becomes one consisting of rulers rather than representatives, our government determined over 200 years ago what our course of action should be.
On June 7, 1776, Richard Henry Lee introduced a resolution to the Second Continental Congress proposing that the thirteen American colonies declare independence from Great Britain. After they consulted with their respective colonies, Congress approved the resolution on July 2. The wording was not approved until two days later, when 56 American patriots would sign “the unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,” more commonly known as the Declaration of Independence.
The Declaration’s authors listed numerous grievances perpetrated by Britain’s King George III: abolishing the colonies’ laws and representative houses, depriving colonists of their right to trial by jury, trying colonists in overseas kangaroo courts for phony charges, imposing taxes without consent, inciting insurgencies against the colonists, conducting mock trials on British troops charged with murdering colonists, forcing American prisoners to fight against other Americans, and for declaring war on the colonies – the Revolutionary War began fourteen months before Lee introduced his resolution.
But these “repeated injuries and usurpations” were all symptoms of a much larger disease. The founding fathers didn’t declare independence from mock trials and taxation without representation. King George had established “absolute Tyranny” over the colonies, and that tyranny is what drove America to declaring independence.
The Declaration not only absolved our ties with the tyrannical ruler of Great Britain, the document also established individual rights that no man or government could encroach upon:
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. – That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed…”
Although our Constitution would not be ratified for another twelve years, the foundations had been laid for a people that – in theory – would no longer suffer under tyranny. Government could no more intrude on our unalienable rights than could an armed citizen walk into the Oval Office of the White House.
But has today’s Federal government alienated American citizens from our unalienable rights? It is a sad truth that throughout human history, tyrants have used a mire of endless minutiae to obscure corrupt and manipulative power plays. The current state of political maneuvering seems to reflect this ongoing historic trend.
How much of Washington’s activity is “just” when you consider that Article Ten of the Bill of Rights states that the Federal government only has the power to do what is enumerated in the Constitution. It is telling to mention that a bill has been introduced in each Congress since 1995, stating only that Congress cite where the Constitution grants them the enumerated power to enact each piece of legislation. Rather than leaving the American people to wonder if any legislation was constitutional, we could see the article, section, and clause that grants Congress the authority. As simple and necessary as that sounds, no session of Congress has allowed that bill to reach a vote. If Congress was operating within their authority, wouldn’t it make sense that they would want to prove that they were doing so?
While our elected officials haven’t necessarily “plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, [or] burnt our towns,” at least in an overt sense, they have repeatedly gone against the will of the people. A great number of Americans have expressed opposition to much of our government’s agenda, which indicates that they no longer have the “consent” of a considerable percentage of the “governed.”
In the event that Americans find themselves at odds with their government, the Declaration tells us:
“… That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”
Unfortunately for the signers of the Declaration, King George most certainly did not see declaring independence as a right. Elitists almost never recognize the legitimate rights of others. But according to our nation’s own foundational text, we now have that right:
“… when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.”
Our government has not yet driven us to “absolute Despotism,” but recent trends indicate that we could be headed in that direction. Additionally, an orchestrated and deliberate propaganda campaign is underway, aimed at squelching any opposition: those who take a stand in favor of the Constitution, limited government, and the principles listed in the Declaration and Constitution are being labeled as “extremists.” If supporters of the government’s founding principles are considered extremists, then what does that make the government?
We certainly have not have reached the point of revolution yet, but we can “overthrow” the government – although on a smaller scale – at the voting booth. Will November’s elections prove enough to return Washington to a government “of the people by the people and for the people?” We shall see.
In the movie The Patriot, the fictional character Benjamin Martin stated: “Why should I trade one tyrant 3,000 miles away for 3,000 tyrants one mile away? An elected legislature can trample a man’s rights as easily as a king can.” Many real American patriots probably expressed that same sentiment – a sentiment that could prove true for modern-day Americans in coming months. Over 200 years after the colonies declared independence from King George’s tyranny, the United States has slowly devolved into a government that has in some ways has begun to resemble his rule. It appears that tyrants come in many guises.
In summary, if our government chooses to violate our unalienable rights; if our government chooses to pass unjust laws, contrary to the consent of the governed; if our government chooses to take despotic actions that reduce us to servitude of the government, or some political agenda – then we have a right and a duty according to the Declaration of Independence to “throw off such Government.” Because regardless whether it comes from one tyrant in London or 3,000 tyrants in Washington, D.C., tyranny – in all its forms – must be passionately fought until it is defeated.
 

OregonMeds

Well-Known Member
You are aware that per official Department of Homeland Security documents anyone spouting off support for the constitution, in support of Ron Paul, against the FED banking system, for states rights or against the federal government not trumping states rights, or ex military, is labeled by definition a potential terrorist right?

"The constitution is a subversive manifesto"
http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2009/04/constitution-is-subversive-manifesto.html

I don't know their official stance on the declaration of independance, but I bet it's not good.

Add that with your state dictator who can rip all elected local officials out of office at any time and where does that leave you folks? You're all terrorists.

Congratulations!
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I can't believe I just linked to a FOX news article I agree with, now you know the world is falling apart for sure!
 

Peragro

Member
Sorry to post without bothering to read the whole thread (I did wade through four pages) but has anybody thought about the ways this proposed law violates the right to free association and assembly at the federal level? The whole reason that state medicinal use laws haven't been attacked by the Feds is that they enumerate additional rights for citizens (which is precisely the intent of "state's rights"). Sure; people who may or may not have been breaking the state law have been busted by Feds but the USAG has ordered DEA, FBI, etc. to lay off people who are cultivating and whatnot in compliance with state law. That's actually a huge victory for patients and caregivers alike. There have been local "hang ups" (mostly drug warrior types who don't know any better) and some pitiful attempts at bullshit legislation (such as this proposed law) but, for the most part, they are being shut the fuck down before they tromp on patient/caregiver rights. While I recognize and partly understand a government hack's fear of people (mostly poor/disabled) being able to eke out a living by growing cannabis, what "compassion clubs" and most so-called "dispensaries" are doing is perfectly legal (the patient-to-patient-transfer model with patient accountability for any "consignment" inventory). The bottom line here is that this bullshit wannabe law (like most other proposed legislation) will never make it out of committee. Keep up the "good fight", folks.
 

cowboylogic

Well-Known Member
The bill was aimed more at keeping Michigan from turning into Amsterdam. Not shutting down the dispensaries, cant afford to lose the revenue. Thats how it reads too me anyways. And being a wolverine I agree with them...I would have supported the bill.
 

deprave

New Member
I appreciate you coming in here and bringing these important issues to people who are otherwise blind to it in my state OregonMeds, thanks
 

jonnynobody

Well-Known Member
not that democrats are the holy grail of political integrity but republicans are so brazenly open about their intentions of usurping power and rights from the middle class while defending their tax breaks for rich assholes & corporations who more often than not don't even pay any fucking income taxes at the end of the year thanks to their bought & paid for politicians who have greased the wheels for tax loopholes for their big campaign contributors over the years...it's a good thing trickle down reag-a-nomics works, otherwise we might be in a nationwide recession right now...
 

abudtokr

Active Member
Here in Alpena they opened a dispensary and closed it down in a week. The hunt team are making fake cards and busting people illegally and closing places down.
 
Here in Alpena they opened a dispensary and closed it down in a week. The hunt team are making fake cards and busting people illegally and closing places down.
how can you not know you are getting a fake card? If you go to any legit doctor they will fill out the paperwork and even send it in for you so you have nothing to do but sign the check.

Emmett is making it real hard to operate a caregiver/patient relationship. They have shut down one of the bigger caregivers in Charlevoix county down to the south.
 
and I am all for Snyders emergency powers. Something has to be done about the economy in this state and sometimes the only way to make things better is ti rip off the band aid right away. Noone is going to like what will happen in the next few years but if you love your children and want to leave this State in better shape for the future generations then you should stop worrying about what Snyder is doing and focus your attention on the muslim idiot on Pennsylvania Avenue.
 

Murfy

Well-Known Member
those fucking CUNTS-

can you nhear me now H.U.N.T.? you fucking faggots have coerced children in to signing contracts to turn in smokers.

you have spent countless funds chasing down HONEST hardworking people that make the world go round in sunrise country.

and now this! don't forget that alot of those "CRIMINALS" you're chasing are the hardiest americans that exist. one day their docile temperaments will not be able to constrain the anger.

see you fuckin queers at the POTato festival! i be the one with the american flag, and a joint(the best), givin you the fuckin finger. been a minute since i scrapped with the police, but if they fuck with me or my card i will not be held responsible for my actions!
CATCH ME IF YOU CAN!

lets have some fun. digging up the pics now.
 

Murfy

Well-Known Member
gross dude-posen potatoe festivea 09' 089.jpgdon't worry guy. i've got the vid of you little body builder pose/dance. it's on the toaster and i don't have a video player on there so i can't see it.

resolving now.
 
i don't see where this banns dispensaries someone please point it out to me, it says it does not affect areas that sell legally, i got that they don't want an area that u can go to smoke and hang out
 

r1tony

New Member
I know I am going to get ripped for this but it is probably a good thing. I mean look at all the harrasment now, and mainly because people can't follow the rules. Now you let dispensaries and clubs open and word gets out, matter of time before they start breaking the laws here and there. Soon the whole thing is taken away from us... dunno but lets keep it to growing your own and or getting care givers.
 

cowboylogic

Well-Known Member
and I am all for Snyders emergency powers. Something has to be done about the economy in this state and sometimes the only way to make things better is ti rip off the band aid right away. Noone is going to like what will happen in the next few years but if you love your children and want to leave this State in better shape for the future generations then you should stop worrying about what Snyder is doing and focus your attention on the muslim idiot on Pennsylvania Avenue.

"(NEWSCHANNEL 3) – Controversy is swirling in Benton Harbor, where an emergency manager has broadened his powers over the struggling city.

Some are calling the move an undemocratic takeover, while others say it's a much-needed move.

In this installment of Tom's Corner, Tom Van Howe weighs in on the controvery.

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It would be so much more convenient, so much more tidy, if Benton Harbor's population were not 92 percent black.

The very thought of the state declaring an emergency and taking over a city makes us wince, even more so in a city where an already controversial concept can be made to appear racist.

In March, when Governor Rick Snyder signed into law his emergency manager act, which allows the governor to toss the elected officials and put someone of his choosing into their position, we knew this would happen.

Reverend Jesse Jackson was in Benton Harbor Wednesday, telling a gathering of about 30 people that a major lawsuit has to be filed to restore democratic rights in Benton Harbor.

And it's easy to jump on board the Jackson bandwagon, filing lawsuits and talking passionately about the injustice of it all, complaining that this isn't the America that so many young soldiers fought and died for over the past 70 years and demanding a return to city government as it was.

But once we get past all the inflammatory rhetoric, where would that leave Benton Harbor?

It would leave the long beleaguered city flat on its back, with a dysfunctional city commission that has, according to one current city commissioner, been grossly mismanaging the budget for 30 years or more.

I hope Reverend Jackson is aware of the facts.

On Wednesday, Kalamazoo Gazette columnist Julie Mack pointed out that the city's pension system was underfunded by four million dollars, that its cash reserves have shrunk in three years from $1.7 million to just $300,000, that the city was spending somewhere between $80,000 and $100,000 a year in overdraft fees and that in the same week that Benton Harbor told the state it didn't need an emergency financial manager, the city asked the State Treasury for advance funds so it could make its payroll.

This, Mr. Jackson, is what we want to save and perpetuate?

This is what Benton Harbor residents should be standing shoulder to shoulder to protect?

If it was my city, I'd want to throw the bums out and start over.

For the record, the emergency manager, Joe Harris, has already been in Benton Harbor for more than a year. He was appointed, not by Governor Snyder, but by Jennifer Granholm, but it's the teeth in Snyder's new law that allowed Harris to strip the city commission of its decision making powers.

Yeah, it makes you wince, but Harris is confident. He thinks Benton Harbor will soon be a model of an efficiently-run city, a city making do with what it's got.

We can only cross our fingers and hope he's right, because what happens in Benton Harbor will soon tell us if the state's power to literally dispense with a city's democratic process is a good idea, or is pushing all this to the very edge of constitutionality too great a price to pay.

It certainly bears watching, and watching closely."



Its sucks but something has to be done to stop the gross misconduct...
 

Murfy

Well-Known Member
when the people are united great governments are formed-

governments rarely form great people.
 

cowboylogic

Well-Known Member
flint had a state appointed manager-

and look how they worked out. LOL.
With the failing auto industry nothing could have saved Flint. GM and Chrysler(mostly GM)took that town down. And once again the GM bigwigs are giving themselves bonus. All Americans should say, 'your welcome GM'. The Fords can do it. Why cant the others? Tough guess huh..........
 

abudtokr

Active Member
I take it your from the alpena area also, lol Hunt team is a joke!! They get millions of dollar to fund there operation. And they take maybe 25,000 dollars worth of drugs off the streets. All the drugs they got off the streets fit on one folding table. And most of it was marijuana, when they have people dieing from a over dose of heroin and methidones. Pretty shity the cops would rather take marijuana off the streets then shit thats killing kids. And they let the rats that get cought selling this shit go because they just turned there buddy in for a 1/8 of marijuana. WOW!! GREAT WORK HUNT!!!
 
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