Microarthropods?

PadawanWarrior said:

Pics or it didn't happen.

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Kaotic said:

Ok and I did state that even though it’s saturated it does still have oxygen because it’s coco, and coco is not hydro you don’t treat it like “hydro”, I’ve grown a 7ft gelato plant indoors by herself under HPS trust me you don’t want to keep having your “soil” moist because it is “soil”, not hydro or DWC it’s a substrate let’s get that straight, big plants in coco like my gelato will drink up the water in there in one day, even all the way deep down the “soil”, so it does get its dry cycle you may not think it does but your wrong.

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NukaKola said:

Coco and other inert mediums such as Promix are not soil. They are called soil-less mediums for a reason and are very much treated like hydro.

The term soil refers to a medium containing organic matter which can create a denser medium that has higher moisture retention properties. This makes if much easier to deprive the roots from oxygen from overwatering.

Coco growers feed up to multiple times per day and use quite small pots. Quite the opposite of soil growers. I thought this was common knowledge.

There is a reason Coco is under the Drain-To-Waste Hydro subforum. You might want to give this a read to brush up on your coco knowledge.

Coco: Tips, techniques, and the facts you will need

iHello, I started this thread because I wanted to streamline the process for newbies to Coco by starting with some facts that will help. So, Coco in the bag is typically 6.1ph and depending on the quality and brand has been pre-rinsed, buffered and ready to go. Breaking the buffer is the first...

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NukaKola said:

Coco and other inert mediums such as Promix are not soil. They are called soil-less mediums for a reason and are very much treated like hydro.

The term soil refers to a medium containing organic matter which can create a denser medium that has higher moisture retention properties. This makes if much easier to deprive the roots from oxygen from overwatering. Hence why a lot of soil mixtures contain perlite or something similar to add aeration.

Coco growers feed up to multiple times per day and use quite small pots. Quite the opposite of soil growers. I thought this was common knowledge.

There is a reason Coco is under the Drain-To-Waste Hydro subforum. You might want to give this a read to brush up on your coco knowledge.

Coco: Tips, techniques, and the facts you will need

iHello, I started this thread because I wanted to streamline the process for newbies to Coco by starting with some facts that will help. So, Coco in the bag is typically 6.1ph and depending on the quality and brand has been pre-rinsed, buffered and ready to go. Breaking the buffer is the first...

www.rollitup.org

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Kaotic said:

Coir itself is not soil, but if the substrate has organics in it I would consider it soil, as opposed to DWC , the roots are sitting in straight water how can you say coco coir , if you even have pure coco coir with no mixed amendments in your pot , is not soil, and is actually hydro dwc? Where the roots have no substrate and go straight in water where you control it’s nutrients? I would say it’s soil, even though it was pure coco coir I would still say it’s soil lol, it’s in a substrate. Just because you water it like hydro because it drinks so much water because the coco retains it well, doesn’t mean it’s “hydro”. It’s watered as if it was but it’s not, it’s soil.

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NukaKola said:

Using coco as part of a soil mix does not make it soil. It makes it an amendment because soil growers are trying to add the porous properties of the coco into their soil mix. Would you consider perlite or EWC soil simply because it is added to soil? I hope not.

Coco along with other soil less inert mediums such as perlite, Rockwool and hydroton are more similar with hydro then soil. Smaller pots, feed with every watering, multiple feeds per day with runoff every time, different PH range, high oxygen levels to the root zone even when the medium is fully saturated.

I think you are getting the term soil confused with medium or substrate. Simply because roots attach to it does not make it soil. Call coco, hydroton or Rockwool soil around some horticulturists and you are guaranteed to get some chuckles.

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NukaKola said:

Using coco as part of a soil mix does not make it soil. It makes it an amendment because soil growers are trying to add the porous properties of the coco into their soil mix. Would you consider perlite or EWC soil simply because it is added to soil? I hope not.

Coco along with other soil less inert mediums such as perlite, Rockwool and hydroton are more similar with hydro then soil. Smaller pots, feed with every watering, multiple feeds per day with runoff every time, different PH range, high oxygen levels to the root zone even when the medium is fully saturated.

I think you are getting the term soil confused with medium or substrate. Simply because roots attach to it does not make it soil. Call coco, hydroton or Rockwool soil around some horticulturists and you are guaranteed to get some chuckles.

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Kaotic said:

Lol the first 2 mini paragraphs I’ve already stated are true, I don’t think your reading my posts thoroughly, and here you again claiming it’s hydro because the way you feed, mind telling me what the ph difference is between the two? Plus coco and rock wool etc have bacteria cultures AND fungi cultures as well from the roots and in the substrate, so again that’s closer to soil, you still haven’t mentioned the roots sitting in water and in no substrate? Lol how bout that,along with different cultures.

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Kaotic said:

And soil is a substrate my friend you got it confused

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NukaKola said:

Soil is indeed classified as a substrate or medium just like coco. However, something being a substrate/medium does not define it as soil. DWC still uses a medium/substrate for the roots to hold onto (i.e. hydroton,Rockwool) and that does not make it a soil, or even close to one.

Coco likes a PH just like hydro, 5.5-6.5, I prefer 5.8-6.2. Soil is 6.0-7.0.

The only reason I mentioned DWC is because you kept mentioning how cannabis “needs” wet/dry cycles which is in fact incorrect. In DWC the roots are able to be suspended in nutrient water because it has proper levels of dissolved oxygen.

Coco is similar to that.

These are facts. Coco and other inert mediums like Promix are called “soil less” for a reason. It isn’t some opinion I made up.

Why would nutrient companies develop nutrients specifically targeted for coco vs. soil.

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NukaKola said:

Soil is indeed classified as a substrate or medium just like coco. However, something being a substrate/medium does not define it as soil. DWC still uses a medium/substrate for the roots to hold onto (i.e. hydroton,Rockwool) and that does not make it a soil, or even close to one.

Coco likes a PH just like hydro, 5.5-6.5, I prefer 5.8-6.2. Soil is 6.0-7.0.

The only reason I mentioned DWC is because you kept mentioning how cannabis “needs” wet/dry cycles which is in fact incorrect. In DWC the roots are able to be suspended in nutrient water because it has proper levels of dissolved oxygen.

Coco is similar to that.

These are facts. Coco and other inert mediums like Promix are called “soil less” for a reason. It isn’t some opinion I made up.

Why would nutrient companies develop nutrients specifically targeted for coco vs. soil.

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Kaotic said:

Lol I’ve already stated all that as true, and I still think that it’s more soil then hydro, looks like soil different cultures like I said.

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PadawanWarrior said:

Reread the title and stop hijacking @vitalsine 's thread.
Microarthropods?

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Kaotic said:

Your roots at the top are alive because the top of the soil dries out the quickest, I’ll bet you that the roots all the way at the bottom are in some kind of rotting and trapped situation searching for dryness, plant roots can’t tolerate moist environments with no dryness at all, if you google and do all your research it will tell you, I have you one source already.

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Kaotic said:

Your roots at the top are alive because the top of the soil dries out the quickest, I’ll bet you that the roots all the way at the bottom are in some kind of rotting and trapped situation searching for dryness, plant roots can’t tolerate moist environments with no dryness at all, if you google and do all your research it will tell you, I have you one source already.

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vitalsine said:

I posted in the bugs subforum but I am starting to think that these are microarthropods... I know you fellow organic growers must have seen these before. They seem to be eating the grokashi that I topfed about a month ago. Hate double posting but I figure if they aren't bugs and they are indeed microarthropods, this would be the place to discuss. Thanks!

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