Midflower Lockout, Salts? Water stress

CareStaker

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Thanks for looking. She's been 12/12 since 4/27, unknown origin bagseed. Seems to be a Ind dom mix, from what I can tell, but it's the first thing I've ever really grown, so I don't really know. She's in a mix of FFOF, and MG due to sloppy transplant, I'll do better next time.
Was feeding almost daily, about 1.5L to get some runoff, Ph'd at 5.8, but there's some buffers in the soil...Nutes 3ml/L GH FlNova Bloom, CaliMagic 1ml/L , Some Big Bud Carbs for about 6 feedings, and just recently some molasses. I was feeding every few days, but once she went to flower, I was feeding her every watering, and almost full strength, as she never once showed a hint of yellow from seed. I posted this incorrectly elsewhere on RUI, also. Anyone know what it might be. Salts, lockout? Her leaves look like canoes, they are curling down, and the margins are rolled. IMAG1916 - Copy.jpg
 

CareStaker

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Took her out for one more shot, so hopefully someone can identify. They are dry canoes. The sink/bud sites are still OK, and some of the fans are still decent.

I was feeding and getting good runoff, but as I got closer, and started watching the buds, I stopped following the basics, and likely overferted her.
I use tap water in at 8.5, dechlorinate, then Ph down with nutes &/or lemon to (5.8-6.2). I searched the forum, and the plant pictures, but still haven't found a definite match.
Last night, she was put in the tub and flushed with around 10-15 gal, and then watered with 5 more of Ph'd & dechlor'd water. After that, I left her alone. Has anyone, any advice?

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DoomsDay

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She actually looks rather healthy. I would say if you noticed the lockout and it was truly a lockout, the fresh water you just ran through the soil broke up and discarded the overbuilt up salt. I would suggest watching her for the next few days mainly focusing on new growth (leafs). The new ones Are going to tell you exactly what's going on with your plant in that instnt for the most part.

Also basing off the pics, the foliage at the bottom is plush and green where as the top seems to have most of the signs. Micro nutrient is what your plants telling you. (Based off what I've noticed in my room)
 

CareStaker

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Hey DoomsDay, Thanks for the help, and sharing your experience - it's helpful and encouraging.
I'm not sure that it's a lockout, this is my first experience growing any kind of plant. I've just been reading as much as I can here - so I've been lucky and gotten this far.

I straight watered her again yesterday, a day after the flush, as she was pretty dry already. It's a 5gal.
I noticed some small new and bright greens, appearing inside many but not all buds.

Opened her today, and she was still damp, so nothing fed or watered. Looked like small new greens as well, similar in size etc.
Glad I checked back in here as I might have took the chance and added the Floralicious Plus, which was what I was going to start her back up with.(some micro, kelp, humic acids)

That same nute may also be what caused the lockout, if that's what it was/is. I read this GH users recipe for the same, and he said you have to mix it in first, before the rest of the nutes, or you will get lockout. I don't know how that possible, but I'm not taking any chances anymore! I'll give her another day to two of close watching, and then I'm really not sure. Hopefully I can understand what she needs.

I was thinking of giving her some molasses next time she needs water, so she can create some quick energy to move that water, salt, nute, around to where she wants it.
My concern is, that I haven't addressed the problem, but she does look a tiny bit better!

The tips of the leaves, even in the budsites, are either growing or are going back to less dark green, pic below. I wonder if it's, Translocation of N being redistributed, or the beginning of N defic.
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DoomsDay

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Addressing the problem is all you have been doing man. No matter what any of us say on this site it is only based on our particular rooms and setups. We can give you a general idea and from there you need to experiment with your ladies to see what does what for you. And please remember. To a plant, 24 hours is a drop in the bucket. Don't go one day treating it with something then the next day it's not all back to normal so you need to try something else. You have to give the plant time to react and they do not recover like humans do. Patients is everything in this game.
 

CareStaker

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Thanks DD, I left her alone again today, and will remember to think more in plant-time. :)

When she needs something, she'll let me know. Thank you again!
 

shizizzle

Active Member
I know that nitrogen toxicity can cause dark green color and 'canoeing' leaves, could be something to look at.
 

Sir.Ganga

New Member
If you have leeched them then just lest them dry out. A nice wet/dry cycle is what your looking for. then back at them at 1/2 strength for awhile. They look pretty nice, but soggy feet now can cause real issues so be careful not to keep them too wet.
 

CareStaker

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jhod58vw
Thank you !

shizizzle
I've read that as well, and this would also coincide with my overferting them, so you are likely right. Backing off the nutes entirely, and the flush, hopefully will level that out as well.

Sir.Ganga
My gut was telling me that, but it's relieving to hear you say it, thank you for confirming! I have OK drainage in that bucket, stones for 2'' in the bottom, although not enough perlite. I hope she dries soon, I'm like a nervous mother, still learning to be patient.. Thank you!
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She likely wasn't getting enough light either, as she's about 30" with 30 branches including the main, so I grabbed some more.. You guys are awesome, thx!
 
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