Olive Drab Green
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This is ridiculous. I doubt they do, and I feel you are taking a deluded and biased stance towards a respectable seed bank.
Midweek Song Review
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Lucky Luke
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how so?
I have not in any way insulted them, i have stated i would use them again. I have no issue with them at all.
Olive Drab Green
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I just don't believe they are that careless, and enough people buy from them to circulate more in and out within a 2-5 year range that you should never get old stock.
Lucky Luke
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I would hope so but have you ever pulled n item off the shelf at a grocery store to find its out of date? Bet ya have. It may only happen with uncommon strains- seems that way from the ones having problems.
Back to the topic of who it is the customer complains to.
When you purchase a new car and you get an issue (they are not what they used to be are they?) you ring the re seller (dealer). If you ring the manufacturer they will tell you to ring the dealer. If you buy some flour and it has weevils in it you take it back to the store you bought it from you dont ring the flour mill.
abe supercro
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Obviously the seedbank of purchase. Instead of going on here, make an email to the company and get a replacement or reimbursement. I'd think they'd accommodate you. Maybe it wasn't that much of an investment but it'd make you feel better.
Lucky Luke
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Olive Drab Green
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I was pretty much wondering why you didn't contact them all along. Lewis is relatively reasonable.
abe supercro
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I'm not saying the original breeder seed stock was good or the issue couldn't have been with germination conditions, but those are near impossible for me to guess at. When germination concerns are really important i start them in a cup of water until the radicle emerges so i'm not guessing what's going on under the soil a week later.
Lucky Luke
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I was just trying to get you to see Dr Nicks view.
Im not one to worry about a refund. When so many ask for refunds when they are not warranted (people cheating the system). I feel guilty even asking.. I'll order again and if i get the same problems for a second time ill take my business elsewhere.
abe, I wouldn't be putting them in water. I dont think many seedbanks will replace seeds if thats been done.
abe supercro
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Right on. I'm just saying, that for me, it's the best way to know the quickest if the seeds are definitely viable. An isolated method to eliminate any question if the seeds are good or not. A dash of hydrogen peroxide and the seeds love germing in water, takes 1-2 days for a radicle and then transplant. Stick w what-works for you. I have beans up the yazoo, so I experiment w different methods.
eastcoastmo
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I was the same until I tried to pop the BCSC seeds I got from them, out of 2 packs, none sprouted. I think the distributors are the ones to hold responsibility here though as the seeds are too old as I ordered the same seeds from another reputable banks and none popped!
Olive Drab Green
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I doubt they were too old. Probably too fresh. You might not have germed long enough. If the seeds are really fresh, they probably didn't dry long enough and they would take longer to pop. Like, 10-15 days.
eastcoastmo
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It was the beans man, I tried popping a 10 pack 2 years ago of the exact strain and no potato, not one germed. This time it was 2 different strains.
Olive Drab Green
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I'm seriously not trying to call you a liar, but you have no way to prove it definitively. And if it's with two different strains, that tells me it might be something you are doing. Try germing them longer, if they haven't been drowned. With a little warmth and wetness and extra time, they will likely pop. But I am positive it has nothing to do with Midweek Song.
What pisses me off about this is you guys are slandering a reputable business, and you really don't have any 100% indisputable proof that it wasn't you, nor that it was them. And of course a lot of growers are proud and don't want to admit the possibility that maybe they made a mistake, but that is even more of a possibility than the seedbank, rather than the breeder, being responsible for your seeds. The seedbank can't pop your seeds to let you know their viability, they just get the stock they are sold. Want to ask @Midweek Song if it's possible they sold you old stock? Let's see what they have to say.
eastcoastmo
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I have in no way said that MWS are responsible, it is their supplier who is supplying old seeds. I have successfully germed thousands of seeds so no, it is not my method. For your information, I still have 5 of the beans still in paper towel, they have been there over 2 weeks now. I'm warning people against buying BCSC beans full stop, not from buying them at MWS. So get the fuck off your high horse.
Olive Drab Green
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Right, what you said. The supplier. That is who I mean. I agree entirely. He is saying it's MWS's fault. I'm not talking shit, I'm referring to the idea that it's the endline vendor's fault.
Not trying to condescend, I'm just being upfront about it. He can argue that it's the seedbank's fault, but that makes less sense than that it's the fault of the breeder's or the grower's. I apologize if I came off disrespectful, I'm not being aggressive or malicious.
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eastcoastmo
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Ok mate, I apologise for being rude as well, had a stressful morning. I do agree that it isn't MWS fault, yes they supply to us but they aren't responsible for germ rates. Something has to be done eventually though as a lot of money is spent on seeds, for breeders, suppliers and banks to claim no responsibility is just poor. If it were on ebay, it would be a different story. Whilever it's illegal though, sadly this will never happen.
Olive Drab Green
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I definitely get what you're saying. Like, if laws weren't as they are, there'd be no reason to not back the seeds, and the industry might even demand it. There's just too much extra risk while it's illegal to throw in extra moving parts like that, I guess. Definitely sucks, like.. paying $10 a seed in some instances, and then have it do nothing. Hopefully all this will change within the next 5 or so years and we won't have to deal with this anymore.
eastcoastmo
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Yeah man, here's hoping hey!
Dr.Nick Riviera
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no one was putting "fault" on anyone, we/they are saying it is the SELLERS responsibility when old seeds are sold. It isn't the breeders responsibility to make it right with the buyer. it is the SELLERS job to make sure they have current stock. THAT is ALL!!!