Millionaire Donor Threatens Democratic Party: “If They Go Far Left, I’m Out”

Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Unclebaldrick said:
Sorry bud, you shot your credibility long ago. Now we just mock you. But keep flattering yourself. I'll bet you are gonna be a justice democrat pillar, I betcha. Start a yootube channel, like Fin.
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Watch them try to duck and dodge questions about the rigged primary. The narrative has changed from "Impossible! How dare you question the legitimacy of the political establishment!" to "Of course it was rigged, Sanders isn't even a Democrat, if you didn't know the DNC favored Clinton from the beginning, you're just naive."...

Moving the goalposts...

People here in your camp spent more than a year denying everything we said. Now that we've been vindicated, you've switched the argument as if you knew all along. If you knew all along, why did you spend more than a year denying it?

Now nobody trusts the Democrats. They're lucky to have such an incompetent president in office in Trump, and they'll likely win in 2020 regardless of who runs based on that alone. But if an establishment Democrat wins, someone like Trump, if not worse, will arise in 2024/2028 and just restart the cycle because they won't significantly change any of the reasons that led to Trump ascending to the presidency, just like Obama didn't actually fix the issues that led to the financial collapse in 08, or NSA domestic spying, or the drone program, or campaign finance reform, or raise wages, etc.
 
Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
Watch them try to duck and dodge questions about the rigged primary. The narrative has changed from "Impossible! How dare you question the legitimacy of the political establishment!" to "Of course it was rigged, Sanders isn't even a Democrat, if you didn't know the DNC favored Clinton from the beginning, you're just naive."...

Moving the goalposts...

People here in your camp spent more than a year denying everything we said. Now that we've been vindicated, you've switched the argument as if you knew all along. If you knew all along, why did you spend more than a year denying it?

Now nobody trusts the Democrats. They're lucky to have such an incompetent president in office in Trump, and they'll likely win in 2020 regardless of who runs based on that alone. But if an establishment Democrat wins, someone like Trump, if not worse, will arise in 2024/2028 and just restart the cycle because they won't significantly change any of the reasons that led to Trump ascending to the presidency, just like Obama didn't actually fix the issues that led to the financial collapse in 08, or NSA domestic spying, or the drone program, or campaign finance reform, or raise wages, etc.
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How about those wins by Democrats in Virginia and New Jersey? Pretty good to see some big wins for the Democrats, huh?
 
ttystikk

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Padawanbater2 said:
Then they shop at Walmart.. So, Walmart doesn't pay them enough to survive, they seek aid from the government. Then, since Walmart is so cheap, because of all the government subsidies, they go back and shop at Walmart.. This is a drain of an estimated $6.2 billion/annually on the taxpayers. Walmart essentially get's to "double dip"; their employees receive taxpayer funded subsidies, so Walmart doesn't have to pay their employees a living wage. Then, those subsidies are spent at Walmart..

In an honest world, the legality of this wouldn't even be questioned, it would be obvious. In the real world, oligarchs run business and dupes buy their justifications for it.
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Walmart is a prime example of how America subsidizes the richest corporations in the country, thereby stifling competition and institutionalizing wealth inequality.

We should not be somehow blaming the poor for shopping there- there's increasingly nowhere else to go, thanks to the unfair playing field. Amazon is another great example of this; that company has successfully avoided having to pay sales taxes since it's inception. How is that 'fair competition'?! How is that being a good corporate citizen or paying their fair share?

We should not be blaming the poor for working there- Walmart is the biggest single employer in America.

Rather, we should be holding our political class accountable for allowing Walmart to achieve an effective subsidy for underpaying a vast swath of American employees and impoverishing us all in the process by this kind of special treatment that no one else gets.
 
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ttystikk

ttystikk

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Unclebaldrick said:
Sorry bud, you shot your credibility long ago. Now we just mock you. But keep flattering yourself. I'll bet you are gonna be a justice democrat pillar, I betcha. Start a yootube channel, like Fin.
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If you don't want to listen, that's your problem.

Following the crowd hasn't worked for the average American for yours and my entire lifetime. Suggest a better option and we're all ears. So far, you have done no such thing, preferring to mock us and in the process just making yourself part of the problem.

I don't see you making a seven figure income, so why are you licking the balls of millionaires? WTF have they done for you lately, besides make your future ever more uncertain?
 
ttystikk

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Padawanbater2 said:
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This isn't the best clip, I'm afraid David rambles and does not organize his points with clarity or brevity.

He IS right... but in an era where the average viewer's attention span is outlasted by a goldfish, his pace loses more viewers than it gains.

This clip could and should have been 3 minutes long, not 22 minutes.
 
ginjawarrior

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Padawanbater2 said:
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i watched a small bit of the interveiw i have no interest in watching the persons opinion on interveiw

i think they had a point. that just having money and being a millionaire or billionaire doesnt automatically make someone an enemy and shouldnt be used as a pejorativein political discourse.

why would anyone continue donating to a party thats attacking the rich just for being rich?

now i didnt watch whole video so cant be sure but i didnt see him say anything about being against progressive taxation

only that just because he's made money in his life doesnt make him enemy of the party he supports..


EDIT:: then pada and co proves his point by starting thread like this
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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ginjawarrior said:
i watched a small bit of the interveiw i have no interest in watching the persons opinion on interveiw

i think they had a point. that just having money and being a millionaire or billionaire doesnt automatically make someone an enemy and shouldnt be used as a pejorativein political discourse.

why would anyone continue donating to a party thats attacking the rich just for being rich?

now i didnt watch whole video so cant be sure but i didnt see him say anything about being against progressive taxation

only that just because he's made money in his life doesnt make him enemy of the party he supports..
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I agree with your points.

That video is frankly terrible and the young man needs to learn the skills of editing for punch and brevity.

In spite of what others here might have you believe, I have nothing against rich people, or getting rich- as long as no laws are broken and no one suffers.

My problem is that we don't need to give millionaires and billionaires special tax breaks, subsidies, privileged political access and the ability to buy our political system with tax deductible dollars. They can damn well pay their fair share back to the country and the people who helped them succeed. It's not like they can't afford it.

That didn't take 20 minutes, did it?
 
ginjawarrior

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ttystikk said:
My problem is that we don't need to give millionaires and billionaires special tax breaks, subsidies, privileged political access and the ability to buy our political system with tax deductible dollars. They can damn well pay their fair share back to the country and the people who helped them succeed. It's not like they can't afford it.
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when you say "we dont need to give special tax breaks" which "we" are you actually talking about?
 
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tangerinegreen555

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Padawanbater2 said:
Anyone with a "D" in front of their name is likely to win in light of Trump. Democratic wins don't mean much.
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I told you that months ago and you cried like a Bernie baby in denial.

Couldn't you try to be a consistent combative jackass?

Ever since that reddit post that was linked here, you've gone off the deep edge. You let your own duct tape get you all fucked up.

I'M a progressive, have been for decades, you jack offs have corrupted the word into something else.

MY progressives will win next year. Yours might not make it through the primaries.

Takes money to run ads. Deal with it.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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ginjawarrior said:
when you say "we dont need to give special tax breaks" which "we" are you actually talking about?
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We the country. Non wage income is taxed far below wages, with many more eligible deductions.

But the average American citizen doesn't get the kind of access to our political system that millionaires do. When is the last time you spoke to your US Senator?
 
tangerinegreen555

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ttystikk said:
Ah, the old 'gotta be corrupt to beat the corrupt' argument.

Well, at least you are a consistent jackass.

You were a Tammany Hall man back in the day, weren't you?
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What amazes me is the youthful idealism of a 51 year old man.

You haven't learned how things work yet?

Keep posting your pipe dreams, but they just aren't happening. You can't change them, 3/4 of people have different ideas and 50% of eligible voters are apathetic.

You're going to 2 choices AGAIN in 2018 like you had last time after the primaries.

Pick one.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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tangerinegreen555 said:
What amazes me is the youthful idealism of a 51 year old man.

You haven't learned how things work yet?

Keep posting your pipe dreams, but they just aren't happening. You can't change them, 3/4 of people have different ideas and 50% of eligible voters are apathetic.

You're going to 2 choices AGAIN in 2018 like you had last time after the primaries.

Pick one.
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What's sad is that you sold out your ideals. Age has nothing to do with it.
 
ginjawarrior

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ttystikk said:
We the country. Non wage income is taxed far below wages, with many more eligible deductions.
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"we the country" is a bit broad dontcha think?

generally when i hear about special tax breaks for the rich thats a republican platform

your use of "we" seems to lump dem's in there.
But the average American citizen doesn't get the kind of access to our political system that millionaires do.
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and?

should all 300 million or so citizens have a 5 minute per month sit down and chat with their senators or congressmen?

When is the last time you spoke to your US Senator?
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if i ever get my own us senator i'll let you know when i get my monthly appointment ..
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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ginjawarrior said:
"we the country" is a bit broad dontcha think?

generally when i hear about special tax breaks for the rich thats a republican platform

your use of "we" seems to lump dem's in there.

and?

should all 300 million or so citizens have a 5 minute per month sit down and chat with their senators or congressmen?


if i ever get my own us senator i'll let you know when i get my monthly appointment ..
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We the country, as I'm all of us who contribute to the country and are a part of it.

I'm absolutely NOT advocating for special tax breaks for the rich- quite the opposite. Try to keep up.

And, why should millionaires get all the access? There's 90 of the rest of us for every one of them, when do we get heard? How do you think that's fair?
 
tangerinegreen555

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ttystikk said:
We the country, as I'm all of us who contribute to the country and are a part of it.

I'm absolutely NOT advocating for special tax breaks for the rich- quite the opposite. Try to keep up.

And, why should millionaires get all the access? There's 90 of the rest of us for every one of them, when do we get heard? How do you think that's fair?
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Who the hell ever promised fairness in politics?

That almost makes me laugh. It's the filthiest business in the country. Always has been, always will be.
 
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