MMPR Grow op: Small Scale

leaffan

leaffan

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I think the MMAR didn't succeed, rather it self destructed these last few years. I believe it was a well orchestrated effort by the government. Let the MMAR run wild, crazy daily dosages were approved, no inspections, lots of pushing the envelope....Now get complaints from fire, police, municipalities. Get a good media push going on how terrible the system is and how it needs to be corrected. That brings us to where we are now, exactly where the government wanted the program to be at.
Just my opinion.
 
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wurdperfect

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Kootenaygirl said:
Welcome to the thread wurdperfect. Please read it all if you have not. Make a few posts so you can PM. Keep us posted on your results.
1 No SOP's.
2 Would not have sent it to HC if I thought otherwise.
3 Give them details with security, it will be scrutinized the heaviest.
4 Make copies of all your invoices and proposed transactions and send them copies to look at, this will force you to choose a program.
5 Make an exact copy of your application and keep up with it as you communicate with HC, goodluck.

It is a tight rope deciding on how far to help your competition, but we don't think that this will be decided in the application process. Your quality and efficiencies growing combined with your business skills will decide who succeeds and who fails. We are both patients and wannabe LP's and have dealt with HC before as many of you have, they are obstructionists fighting the spread of marihuana and that makes me want to help the fellow little guy.

Beat me in the grow room, on the website, and crush me with your high quality weed, leave me wanting with all your different strains, while making me broke with your low, low prices, and make me envious of your larger bankroll, but till then lets help each other get a license from those bastards in Health Canada. We all have a common enemy, and they want us to fight them one at a time.

The MMAR only succeeded the last few years because everyone helped each other get through all the bullshit.
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so they moved u to the review stages without telling u ur app was incomplete? So i guess maybe we scared ourselve more than necessary with the QAR .
i contacted a lab that wanted to sell me a qar and sops and send my app for 4500 bucks but if u sent urs like that and still got moved on to review stage then it should be fine.. Ill be sending my app monday.

lets just say start the war AFTER we all get our licenses lol
 
Kootenaygirl

Kootenaygirl

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What makes you think my application was incomplete? Trust me, HC would not move you to review stage with an incomplete application. The question is do they find it satisfactory during the review? That is still yet to be determined. While I did not send a copy of my SOP's to HC with my Pre License QA Report, many hours were spent creating them. The SOP's were referred to in the Pre Licensing QA Report. Under the MMPR, the QA Report is to only set out the QA Persons credentials and that the building, equipment, and sanitation programs used are in compliance with Division 4.

Looks like pricing is dropping as I was quoted @ $20,000 to create SOPs and a QA Report from more than 1 lab, plus $1,500 to apply, plus, plus, plus.
 
R.Raider

R.Raider

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Kootenaygirl said:
What makes you think my application was incomplete? Trust me, HC would not move you to review stage with an incomplete application. The question is do they find it satisfactory during the review? That is still yet to be determined. While I did not send a copy of my SOP's to HC with my Pre License QA Report, many hours were spent creating them. The SOP's were referred to in the Pre Licensing QA Report. Under the MMPR, the QA Report is to only set out the QA Persons credentials and that the building, equipment, and sanitation programs used are in compliance with Division 4.

Looks like pricing is dropping as I was quoted @ $20,000 to create SOPs and a QA Report from more than 1 lab, plus $1,500 to apply, plus, plus, plus.
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Yeah that is dropping than. I was quoted from one place $30,000 and then another later on for $25,000.
 
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wurdperfect

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dont get me wrong kootenaygirl, i didnt mean ur app was incomplete, i meant, if u submitted that, and it wasnt returned as incomplete then that must be the way its supposed to be
 
Kootenaygirl

Kootenaygirl

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leaffan said:
I think the MMAR didn't succeed, rather it self destructed these last few years. I believe it was a well orchestrated effort by the government. Let the MMAR run wild, crazy daily dosages were approved, no inspections, lots of pushing the envelope....Now get complaints from fire, police, municipalities. Get a good media push going on how terrible the system is and how it needs to be corrected. That brings us to where we are now, exactly where the government wanted the program to be at.
Just my opinion.
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Your right of coarse, just a matter of perspective, succeeded at spreading marihuana better than anything else, but at the cost of itself, probably HC , if not nature would have put it in balance quickly enough.
 
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AB Bud Soon

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yup..then we would have a bunch of people complaining about "I got high eating a steak". I would think that any thc/cbd in the fatty parts of the meat would be so minimal that they would be near undetectable. I would rather eat "high beef" than hormone fed beef :)
I would think that the same could be applied to pork as well :)
 
spiritmedicine

spiritmedicine

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Looking at zoning for my site, the local regional district has not yet decided on if and where LP licences will be allowed. They are looking at Heavy Industry usage, at a cost of $1400 to change your property zoning, plus a wait of six months before approval. Guess I will wait to see what they decide before I spend the money. Then wait again for rezoning approval. Or not at all if they decide to disallow the facilities... Sheesh...
 
Kootenaygirl

Kootenaygirl

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There is a lot you should be doing, take the time to start stroking your neighbours, get them to sign on now, especially the adjoining ones. They have been bombarded with marihuana propaganda, many will need to be re-educated. Given any opportunity they will organize against you out of misguided fear. Work on your RDCK too, you may have some influence on them, it is worth some footwork.

We think that in practical terms, Industrial zoning is the right way to go, power, smell, noise, and large buildings. Never mind the backwardness of putting large buildings on agricultural land and needing big power far away on farm land. Agricultural zoning will be easier to achieve if you need to change though!

We believe that this non-aspect of the MMPR is the single most under estimated hoop. Non-aspect meaning MMPR passes the buck and zoning is hardly mentioned.

Remember, most zoning changes require public meetings and disclosure, you will need to have answers for everything and a large local support team to out voice the ignorant ones you missed or were unable to convince. Prepare for a slow, painful, nonsensical ride. Rezoning is a bitch.

Spiritmedicine, are you considering leasing or moving?
 
spiritmedicine

spiritmedicine

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Kootenaygirl, I already own the property, have been growing under the MMAR, bought it as raw land, with a 2000 sq ft shop on it. Got a really good deal, which is why I bought it. Was a former grow op, which makes it pretty ideal for a current and future grow op. It's all ready to go, just needs the upgrades. I don't know if I will carry through with this program if the zoning doesn't work out. I was surprised to hear that they might not even allow the new operations to operate, that they would even be allowed to prohibit them. It's a pretty major hurdle for me. I wrote them a short letter outlining the "benefits" of the new program, in terms of security, safety, crime, and economics (whether or not I believe my own bs) and requested that they permit legal businesses to open. Will see what happens, will call again this week. They are supposed to decide on it soon.
 
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medicineman2014

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Does anyone know if standard 2x6 walls are all that is needed for exterior wall construction.

Does everyone that works at a LP need security clearance ( trimmers, the guy that mows the lawn, secretary ect)

Has anyone figured out how many (aprox) pages may be requirred for the SOP and how detailed it should be???

Thanks for any and all input......
 
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wurdperfect

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Sent my app on thursday. Was just wondering if they contact you bu phone or email, and how long did it take for them to get in touch kootenaygirk or kron or whoever is on the waiting game
 
Kootenaygirl

Kootenaygirl

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HC seems to take the, "we'll call you, don't call us approach". Two weeks for them to email with app #. We applied in late Aug., had to bug them to find out we had been moved into the review stage. We bug them now every two weeks. Settle in for a good long wait. Congrats, how many pages was your app?
 
itsmehigh

itsmehigh

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Same here two weeks to clear their screening stage, they will contact you in that time to let you know what if any info is missing, and your app number.

cheers itsme
 
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wurdperfect

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My full app was about 60 pages... My fone was off for the whole morning today ... But i dont think they would call me that early just few days after they received it right?

i applied in french. I hope the waiting time wont be any longer due to language factor
 
itsmehigh

itsmehigh

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60 pages seems a bit light, ours was closer to 110 pages. Don't expect a phone call, they will email and regular post you after they screen your app. Then onto the review stage once you meet their screening request.

cheers Itsme
 
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Magenta Thumb

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And you'd thing it'd be even longer in French. If the MMPR section is anything like other HC sections I've dealt with, French should not delay them and might even speed them up.
 
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wurdperfect

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Im not too sure what else was needed for the app to be over 100 pages if the sop's were not required.. Oh well i guess ill wait and see
 
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