MMPR Grow op: Small Scale

Budbuild

Member
I have read this thread thru from start to finish, i appreciate the time and effort certain helpful people have contributed eg Kootneygirl. This thread has made me relook at my application and add some more pages.LOL

In regards to storage of video footage, our solution has been to get motion activated cameras that record only when they detect activity. This activity Recordings we will be storing for 2 years in the cloud.

Good luck everyone with their application.

Enjoy
 

Kron3007

Well-Known Member
Pro Harper? Have you read anything Canadan? Try despite Harper. Seems to me that the LP's are the only ones looking for solutions to support patients. How is your whining helping anybody? Where are your solutions? How is the MMPR pro Harper? You think Harper wants to mass produce marihuana? I'm sorry if I interrupted you while you all were crying in your beer, but the bar is closing and Conroy hope is not enough for me, I have to move forward, legally.

Medicalgirl66, we all hear you and feel your frustration. Your post is common and no one here thinks it is fair, right, or just. What I have come to realize though is that the MMAR is on it's deathbed, it will die of suicide by over indulgence. It is digesting itself in an unsustainable cacophony of corruption, Hells Angels and stoned teenagers were but a small part in the litany of problems. It is not coming back, Conroy might win, but the MMAR is not coming back. What Conroy wins might help you and others, and that is why you should support him if you can. Many of us wannabe LP's have donated too.

Spider 9 would choose death rather than get some high quality marihuana from a small/patient run/ LP that supports its community. Hmmm. This site and in particular, this thread is pro marihuana and that is what we should all get from this. Don't shit on people for taking a different path to spreading the good word(bud). I wish there was more legal ways to spread marihuana too, everybody that has posted here that I have read, is in favor of you being able to grow your own medicine.

Maybe we should give up trying to grow cannabis legally, joining canadan and spider9 among others who might fight, but only if they have to, if arrested.

What I believe is that losing our newly discovered voices that we have been provided by the legality of our PUPL's and DPPL's is a loss only second in size to losing our legal self grows. For me, who thinks of herself as outspoken about marihuana, the MMPR is the only way to keep my soapbox legal. Without the license to grow marihuana our voices are muted, I want to speak out as a grower, not a toker.

Soon the only voices that will get heard will be the patients(one voice), the LP's, and HC, and then where do you think the influence will come from? Just need to follow the money. So do you want big pharma calling all the shots? It is time to start differentiating between the LP's, and support the good ones, so that patients, who can't keep their grow as "protest grow", just don't know how to grow, or don't want to support the black market, can still get quality medicine at a fair price.

Money grubbing ripoff? The costs of producing legal marihuana, can now be seen above ground, in the light, no secrets. Maybe you should check it out before you give us those old, used up, proven false, trinkets, found on almost every thread. Marihuana is expensive to grow right. Add responsible security and consumer safety and the means to market it. And the prices will go up, but if you factor in time and new production rules, long term, the prices will drop dramatically as farms get larger and competition blooms.

Not rocket science, just easily ignored by people who just want to keep getting their medicine subsidized, or keep there illegal incomes. I've said it before the MMPR is not your enemy, HC is all our enemy. Blame HC, not LP's, MMPR and MMAR are not connected, the success of one does not mean the death of the other, the patient(MMAR) is on their deathbed already, the legal ways forward are few, lets support all the ways to increase the amount of cannabis there is available to patients.

Quit telling us that we want to rip off the sick, another old trinket, are doctors and nurses ripping off the sick too? They make their living (a good one too) off the sick and dying. Maybe you should mention that to your doctor the next time your getting that closed mind of yours checked out Spider9.
Please, please keep posting your opinions and situations, as a fellow patient, we are all in the same HC sinking boat, the S.S. MMAR. Like rats we our all choosing are escape plans, some are choosing to wait and see, some are jumping ship to the S.S.MMPR, some are choosing to commit suicide (one at least), others are going to sue for it, bravely suing even though the shore is not in site. Goodluck to all of you except the suicide, may you, Spider9, be unsuccessful and end up smoking the best you ever had out of a labelled, legal bottle in a couple years.
The QA regulations imposed in this system are pretty much in line with any other herbal product, and there is good reason for these tests. I know for a fact that some of the larger producers under the MMAR are using pesticides with no oversight or requirement to test for residues. These QA requirements are even more important regarding mold count etc. for patients with compromised immune systems and such. None of the QA requirements are above and beyond what is required with Echinacea, saint john's wort, etc.

I know many will chime in saying that they grow great stuff without pesticides and such. That's fine, but it dosnt protect the people out there that are less capable and rely on others for their medicine. With any other herbal product, you need to do these tests to protect people, why should it be any different with marijuana? If you want the government to treat it as a legitimate medicine, you need to meet the requirements of the industry, no? The MMPR has its drawbacks, but this is the only way that marihuana will ever be fully normalized in the medical industry.

You can believe that we are all heartless people only after your money, and I wont deny that I want to make a living doing this, but some of us may actually have a heart. There are already plenty of profit driven growers under the MMAR and the system allows them to be less scrupulous than the MMPR will. Under the MMPR, real research programs will be initiated and it will drive the industry forward instead of it languishing in its current state. Personally, I think (hope) the MMPR is the first step toward full legalization. If this leads to legalization, they will likely allow people to grow a few plants for personally use as they do with tobacco. It may put an extra burden on patients for a while, but if it leads to long term progress I think it is worth it.
 

Icarus85

Member
I have read this thread thru from start to finish, i appreciate the time and effort certain helpful people have contributed eg Kootneygirl. This thread has made me relook at my application and add some more pages.LOL

In regards to storage of video footage, our solution has been to get motion activated cameras that record only when they detect activity. This activity Recordings we will be storing for 2 years in the cloud.

Good luck everyone with their application.

Enjoy
MMPR s45.(1)

The system must be monitored at all times by personnel who must determine the appropriate steps to be taken in response to the detection of any occurrence [of attempted or actual unauthorized access].

Is someone monitoring these feeds all day? Contracted out third party at night?
 

WHATFG

Well-Known Member
MMPR s45.(1)

The system must be monitored at all times by personnel who must determine the appropriate steps to be taken in response to the detection of any occurrence [of attempted or actual unauthorized access].

Is someone monitoring these feeds all day? Contracted out third party at night?
That's gonna get pricey! Think my meds just went up. LOL
 

Kootenaygirl

Active Member
Yes someone monitor's your dedicated phone line 24/7 for about $30-40 per month. They have a list of phone numbers to call for whatever response. For me I think that person doing the monitoring, is in the lower mainland, an 8 hour drive away.
 

Missbell81

Member
Thanks! North okanagan area. Still haven't gotten my number from HC although my tracking shows they received the package on dec 3. Interested if anyone has had their inspection yet?
 

Kootenaygirl

Active Member
Congratulations Missbell81 on getting you app in. We are in the 000090's, sent Aug 21. Do you mind me asking what rough number you are?

We are hoping that considering our facility is in operation now we might make it before April Fools Day.

North Okanagan, cool, maybe we might meet one day for coffee, most of the wannabe's that I am chatting with are way too far east for a face to face.

Very little on the public record about "the 3 day inspection", with that being just a rumor too, we are as curious as you.
 

DRCFL

Member
I can pretty much guarantee you need to keep 2 years of complete footage, weather there is an incident or not...
FYI
It seems pretty well laid out in the regs...
 

DRCFL

Member
Where will you get your starting material from if you are not licensed until after April 1???

Unlike the MMAR program you will not be able to just say your getting it from HC, and then have a bunch of new strains pop up...

Are you expecting another LP to sell to you? what are they gonna charge to help get you going?? 5 bucks a clone? ( I highly doubt it)

Are you going to wait an extended period of time to allow for the importation from another country?

Food for thought...
 

redi jedi

Well-Known Member
I know HC says you must get your starting material from a "legal source". I have asked HC many times "I can legally buy seeds from a seed bank right now, why is that not a legal source for an LP? Never got a real answer, just the reference to the regulation.

But there's nothing stopping you from buying seeds or clones/plants from a current MMAR card holder. Even if you gave em a ride to the seedbank and loaned them some money....

Actually, I think in the regs, HC says "approved source"...have to go look again
 

DRCFL

Member
Legal sources are:

1. Health Canada
2. Another LP
3. MMAR holder (only until March 31st) hence the trouble I believe most people will encounter if they are not LP's before then.
4. Import/Export

Seed banks in Canada to my knowledge are NOT legal. They generally sell seeds as souvenir's, allowing them to bend the law...

Unless the seed bank is an LP or holds and exemption under 56, they are not a legal source.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think I am...
 

redi jedi

Well-Known Member
The real question will be "Are the seeds I bought from a card holder (in anticipation of becoming an LP) still a legal source after March 31st?
 

DRCFL

Member
The answer to that is NO... they would not be a legal source....

You can not purchase from an MMAR holder until you are actually licensed as an LP. Once you are licensed, (LP) you must file the appropriate forms with HC to make the purchase from PUPL/DPPL a legal source.

ie: you cannot buy in anticipation of becoming... you can only buy once you are!!!

As an MMAR holder, I could sell to myself once I am an LP. Unless I become an LP after March 31st in which case my MMAR supply would need to be destroyed and no longer a valid source of starting material.

If your app number is after 50, you probably wont be licensed until after march 31st; hence making your only legal sources

1. Health Canada
2. Other LP's
3. Import

- Nobody wants HC product
- Hope you have lots of time and money if you plan to import
- Hope you know an LP that will help set you up... because without lots of strains your business is garbage...
 

DRCFL

Member
1. It specifically states the legal sources in the MMPR

2. I asked HC "what is the process for transferring staring material from a PUPL/DPPL holder to an LP"

3. Everybody received a letter to destroy any MMAR stockpiles after march 31, therefore, after march 31 these are no longer available to be transferred.

4. As for the App after number 50, that is an assumption on my part based on how slow these guys work..
 

ispice

Well-Known Member
I can pretty much guarantee you need to keep 2 years of complete footage, weather there is an incident or not...
FYI
It seems pretty well laid out in the regs...

There was a few people in agreement a few pages ago that agreed the 2 year retention period of visual recording is for attempted or actual intrusion or unauthorized access into the site.

The relevant sections being;

142(a), 43 and 48.

and

148(e)

Its a difficult one to interpret, my take:
148(e) is quite broad with its language, visual recordings and records in 142. It seems one is only required to make visual records in certain instances, and those are in section 142, but it would seem if you do visual recording outside of what is required in 142 you would need to retain it for 2 years as well.

142. refers to 43 and 48.

43. seems basic, visually monitor perimeter of the site. Record any attempted or actual unauthorized access, easily done with detection devices and basic monitoring.

48. May prove difficult, "illicit activities" is not defined and quite broad. I would think that all staff activity within area's where cannabis is present would have to be recorded to ensure illicit activities would be recorded. Did that trimmer pocket a bud? Did that grower spray a pesticide? No device could be triggered to detect such or other theoretical illicit activities to negate the need of recording all activity.

Anyone else have input?


Kind of relevant, when I was in the process for an R and D license I had to confirm that all my visual recordings would be kept for 4 weeks.
 

Missbell81

Member
Thank you kootenaygirl. Well we got an answer and have to fix a few things, most of them feasible but my biggest bitch is QA/QCP. We are fully operational under the MMAR and with all the rumours swirling we are considering investors. The company we were working with for our quality control has bailed due to a contractual agreement with a different company ($$$$). I was quoted 20 gs for a quality assurance report today. Ya. I reaaaaalllllly hope this is all worth it.

coffee anytime. What's the latest with your app?
 
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