Molasses mineral values - dipshit edition

Nullis

Moderator
Alrighty, so this thread is in response to another which was hi-jacked regarding the amounts of minerals in molasses (namely calcium). The only thing at issue here is the actual amount of calcium (or any other mineral) and how this compares with other strictly calcium supplements like Calplex or CalMag. Some people seem to think the molasses contains more Ca than either of those supplements, which is simply incorrect (not that blackstrap isn't a good supplement to use).

Which brings us to the first hurdle: molasses brands have varying concentrations of minerals and blackstrap has the most concentrated minerals and least amount of sugars of molasses varieties. Blackstrap is what results after the 3rd boiling of molasses, after the majority of sucrose has precipitated out. However, even between blackstrap labels the contents of some minerals can vary wildly. While the organic Plantation Blackstrap apparently has 8% of the human DV for calcium, the regular Plantation Blackstrap actually has 20%.

And this is where the greatest complication lies. Mineral contents on foodstuffs are, of course, listed as the % daily values of the recommended intake for the mineral. For example, if you want to know how much calcium is actually in one serving (21g) of your molasses you first have to consider the RDI for the mineral. As an adult human male requires 1000 milligrams of calcium per day; when you see "Calicum...8%" or "Calcium...20%" it means there is 80 mg or 200 mg, respectively, in each serving. As a typical serving of molasses is a tablespoon, which is about 21 grams or 21,000 milligrams, we can use this info to calculate a percentage which represents the actual mass of the mineral.

If there is 8% DV calcium, which we established as 80 mg out of a 21,000 mg serving then in fractional terms we're looking at 80:21,000 which can reduce to 10:2625 which can reduce to 2:525. We can take any one of those fractions now: say you divide 2 by 525, you'll get 0.0038095238095238095238095238095238 and you can multiple that by 100 to get an actual percentage - which is 0.381% (rounded).

If there is 20% DV calcium, which we established as 200 mg out of a 21,000 mg serving then in fractional terms we're looking at 200:21,000 which can reduce very easily to 1:105 thanks to common denominators. We can see now this is very close to 1%, but for the hell of it take either fraction and divide the top into the bottom so you'll get 0.0095238095238095238095238095238095 and you can multiple that by 100 to get an actual percentage - which is 0.95%.

There, I showed my work! If you disagree, please show yours. For the one who believes there is 292 mg of calcium per serving (not naming any names), I am extremely interested where you got that figure from. Math can be hard for stoners. myself included. I seriously doubt it in this case, but I might even be wrong! Even so, if it can be proven that I am blatantly wrong I wouldn't be so thickheaded to as to disregard obvious facts.

And here is another example which lists the % DV alongside the actual weight of the mineral in a serving, only issue it this isn't for blackstrap, but it establishes pretty well the rest of what I am saying: http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/sweets/5573/3
 

Wetdog

Well-Known Member
Thanks Nullis.

It's amazing how Molasses use has mutated from what it actually does (feeds microbes), into some sort of nutrient/supplement deal which it really isn't.

I've been using molasses for years, and the longer I use it, the less I use of it. Both in the amount and frequency. I guess it's just one of those 'less is more' deals from observation and experience.

I don't even consider the minerals that are in the molasses. They are so slight, they are next to not there and certainly not in the amounts where you could depend on them alone to supply what's needed.

I use the molasses to feed microbes in my teas and in my soil. That's it, the sole purpose for molasses.

I started out with the 1tbl/gallon every other watering deal several years ago, doing this in a gardening situation before I started growing mj again. Then, it got to be 1tb/gal, once a week, then down to 1tsp/gal/week. I was also doing teas once or twice/week.

Now, I'm at the point where I'll do a alfalfa/kelp/castings tea with 2tbl of molasses for 4 gallons of water. I'll bubble this for 3 days or so and of course the molasses gets consumed in the bucket. Just before I'm ready to use the tea, I dissolve and add 3tbl of molasses to each bucket (I do 2 at once). Let the fresh molasses mix in well and then dilute the tea out to 1 gallon of tea to 4 gallons of water, 40 gallons total.

Everything gets watered well, mj and veggies. They get a big shot of microbes and the unconsumed molasses for what's already in the soil at the same time. I do this about every other week or so, depending. LOL, I'm pretty lazy.

I really don't even count the teas much AFA nutrients go. They are more microbe oriented than nutrient rich. The nutrients are already there, added when I made the mix. The microbes just break them down and make them available.

But anyway, molasses as a sole source of calcium? I don't think so. LOL

Wet
 
hahaha great thread Nullis! i hope those that are misinformed about molasses will read this thread.

for those interested in the trace mineral content of molasses here it is for plantation blackstrap molasses per 21 g: 1-0-3, 1% Ca, .2% Mg, .02% Fe, 50% Carbohydrates
 

mrbong73

Member
Thanks Nullis.

It's amazing how Molasses use has mutated from what it actually does (feeds microbes), into some sort of nutrient/supplement deal which it really isn't.

I've been using molasses for years, and the longer I use it, the less I use of it. Both in the amount and frequency. I guess it's just one of those 'less is more' deals from observation and experience.

I don't even consider the minerals that are in the molasses. They are so slight, they are next to not there and certainly not in the amounts where you could depend on them alone to supply what's needed.

I use the molasses to feed microbes in my teas and in my soil. That's it, the sole purpose for molasses.

I started out with the 1tbl/gallon every other watering deal several years ago, doing this in a gardening situation before I started growing mj again. Then, it got to be 1tb/gal, once a week, then down to 1tsp/gal/week. I was also doing teas once or twice/week.

Now, I'm at the point where I'll do a alfalfa/kelp/castings tea with 2tbl of molasses for 4 gallons of water. I'll bubble this for 3 days or so and of course the molasses gets consumed in the bucket. Just before I'm ready to use the tea, I dissolve and add 3tbl of molasses to each bucket (I do 2 at once). Let the fresh molasses mix in well and then dilute the tea out to 1 gallon of tea to 4 gallons of water, 40 gallons total.

Everything gets watered well, mj and veggies. They get a big shot of microbes and the unconsumed molasses for what's already in the soil at the same time. I do this about every other week or so, depending. LOL, I'm pretty lazy.

I really don't even count the teas much AFA nutrients go. They are more microbe oriented than nutrient rich. The nutrients are already there, added when I made the mix. The microbes just break them down and make them available.

But anyway, molasses as a sole source of calcium? I don't think so. LOL

Wet
Wetdog's got it nailed here.
If your soil mix has a good amount of earthworm castings and any liming agent you should be cool as far as calcium goes. I'm not sure it's necessary to figure the exact amount of any nutrient in the molasses. Using it as microbe food is always a good idea. I would avoid adding too much in a AACT however. This can cause bacteria blooms which can throw a tea out of balance.
Alfalfa and kelp teas are amazing. They are both microbe food and a great source of micro nutrients and other such goodness.
 
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