molasses to use or not to use

Jerry Garcia said:

Unsulphured blackstrap molasses is what you want to use. available at most grocery stores.

I use it...not sure if it really does anything...but I use organics so the added carbohydrates help feed the microorganisms...

My buds always come out tasty too. So its your call really. Maybe try it on one plant and see what you think?

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I use the same stuff and draw the same conclusion.You can use molasses water even through the flush without leaving any negative taste behind.I even added about a half of a cup of 100% pineapple juice to the last gallon of water flush for my Express and it had a nice pineapple flavor.I'm going to add it in a lesser quantity the last week of flush with the next ones in flower and see how they taste.I'm hoping it will give them a fuller,stronger citrus flavor.The buds are definately stickier and fatter,but I'm also using berry flavored Sweet,but I'm sure the molasses is helping.
When I mix my water I add about 2 -3 cups of warm water in the jug and then add 2-3 tablespoons of molasses and stir it up and the molasses will starting blending in nicely and then starting adding cool water to fill the jug and shake it when your done.If the water looks like coca cola that's what its supposed to look like.

so far this is still a myth to me , but i have also heard if you feed your microbes flavored carbs, like 100% juice it can affect the taste of flowers. well i guess you should know Meds? does the berry sweet make it taste like berry?

wyteboi said:

so far this is still a myth to me , but i have also heard if you feed your microbes flavored carbs, like 100% juice it can affect the taste of flowers. well i guess you should know Meds? does the berry sweet make it taste like berry?

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I dont notice any flavor from the Sweet,why they flavor it is beyond me.
But when I bought it,I was just starting out and I thought thats what my friend used for his flavor,but he used a flavored final flush.I noticed a difference in the weight of my buds after harvest after I started using the Sweet,it seemed to add some more bulk to them,even with the Beastie Bloomz I use.

Meds4Me said:

I dont notice any flavor from the Sweet,why they flavor it is beyond me.
But when I bought it,I was just starting out and I thought thats what my friend used for his flavor,but he used a flavored final flush.I noticed a difference in the weight of my buds after harvest after I started using the Sweet,it seemed to add some more bulk to them,even with the Beastie Bloomz I use.

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i dont flush at all with organics, i have several times in the past but i dont no more because it just seems to be a waste of time, i never know when im going to pick , some are a couple weeks ahead/behind so i just dont even bother anymore and after LOTS of reading , i dont think its possible to truly "flush" a good "soil food web" (good healthy soil)

my buddy says he notices the difference in taste between the ones with added carbs and the ones without , but i think its mostly in his head and its just the taste of a healthier plant

but owell i only go by my own experiences. i read alot and take in a lil.
<<<< that dont help either


wb

wb i use pro mix for medium

turbo diesel said:

wb i use pro mix for medium

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and what kind of foods?
I think that promix is alot easier to use with in-organic food, but i have been using organics with it , just until the rest in it are done then i will start adding things to it to come up with a better dirt.

wb

i use general hydroponics flora series but not the one with nova the more basic set up. thanks

turbo diesel said:

i use general hydroponics flora series but not the one with nova the more basic set up. thanks

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that should go together quite nicely. i would not flush quite that often though. (unless you really think it needs it) I also dont see any benefit with molasses. it cant hurt to use a couple times during the whole cycle , but i dont see a big enough benefit to go buy some.


wb

well it is cheap

I'm with wyte, don't flush so often. Flushing once a week disrupts the root zone, flushes away all nutes, excess salts and beneficial microbes in your pro-mix. If you were feeding at a ultra high PPM, then maybe. It takes a couple of days for your pro-mix to drain and build back to pre-flush if not ammended.
I'm suprised you didn't have any nute defs with that much flushing. If you ammended your soil will 75% perlite to 25% pro-mix, I could see why you flushed so much.

Your ok with the nutes you're using. The molasses won't really help you at this point of your grow. Next grow, try using the molasses on one lady and see how she responds for ya.

Good Luck!

I dont know why everybody downs mollasses in hydro.I have used it in my last 4 grows.The only time you will run into problems is if you let the res get to hot, if you use bad mollasses,or put too much in.When they go bad they smell kinda vinagery or like wine (bad) they should smell sweet.The res should be between 68 and 74 degrees,no higher and you should only use 1/2 tsp. per gallon instead of the 1 tsp. the bottle recomends.The 1 tsp is for soil grows
Now this spring i stoped using mollasses and started using bud candy,i was very disapointed.My buds are not as big, the crystalls arent there, its almost like they stoped growing.Dont get me wrong there are some nice buds but not like when i use mollasses.

You need to use molasses if you are organic and are in need of feeding your micro herd...

If you are using EDTA chelated nutrients your salt content would most likely choke out
any micro herd you would potentially have, so molasses would be a waste of time.

Shrubs First said:

You need to use molasses if you are organic and are in need of feeding your micro herd...

If you are using EDTA chelated nutrients your salt content would most likely choke out
any micro herd you would potentially have, so molasses would be a waste of time.

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Shrubs first,

I just got some unsulphered molasses for use in my Foxfarm ocean forest soil for my ladies 3 weeks into flower. Can you explain your last statement. "If you are using EDTA chelated nutrients your salt content would most likely choke out
any micro herd you would potentially have, so molasses would be a waste of time" . What is EDTA, and what is ETDA chelated nutrients? micro herd? Thanks alot man, Id appreciate it

ccb said:

Shrubs first,

I just got some unsulphered molasses for use in my Foxfarm ocean forest soil for my ladies 3 weeks into flower. Can you explain your last statement. "If you are using EDTA chelated nutrients your salt content would most likely choke out
any micro herd you would potentially have, so molasses would be a waste of time" . What is EDTA, and what is ETDA chelated nutrients? micro herd? Thanks alot man, Id appreciate it

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In english , he said if you are using synthetic/chemical nutes then the molasses would be a waste of time, because the chems will probably kill off the microherd (microbes/beneficial bacteria)
As far as studies on molasses go , it is used for the sole purpose of feeding the microbes , which can help with the quality of your soil in organics, but there just aint no sense in feeding something your probably gonna kill with chems.
When you use chelated nutes they are already "broken down" into a form that the plant itself can use, right away. When you use organic foods , they have to be broken down by the microbes before the plant can even use them.

This is just the way I interpreted his post, and added my studies to it to come up with this opinion.


wb

Shrubs First said:

You need to use molasses if you are organic and are in need of feeding your micro herd...

If you are using EDTA chelated nutrients your salt content would most likely choke out
any micro herd you would potentially have, so molasses would be a waste of time.

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With this kinda lingo ,and that avatar, one would wonder if this isnt good ol Roy himself.

wb

wyteboi said:

With this kinda lingo ,and that avatar, one would wonder if this isnt good ol Roy himself.

wb

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Shrubs has a degree in horticulture, so knows the lingo and gives great advice, guess he could be Roy (if Roy lives in Colorado?)

Kinda like I think UB could be Mel ???

ccb said:

Shrubs first,

I just got some unsulphered molasses for use in my Foxfarm ocean forest soil for my ladies 3 weeks into flower. Can you explain your last statement. "If you are using EDTA chelated nutrients your salt content would most likely choke out
any micro herd you would potentially have, so molasses would be a waste of time" . What is EDTA, and what is ETDA chelated nutrients? micro herd? Thanks alot man, Id appreciate it

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My first grow i didnt use any carb load whatsoever.I got buds but nothing impressive.I started using molasses in my ebb and flow setup and the results were a thicker stalk and stems,above average buds and trichomes out the ass.I use flora nova series nutes all 1 part with the molasses and no high salt,no slime and wonderful tasty buds.I have had 4 succesful grows doing this,you cant call it being lucky.Why does everyone down molasses in hydro?

wyteboi said:

In english , he said if you are using synthetic/chemical nutes then the molasses would be a waste of time, because the chems will probably kill off the microherd (microbes/beneficial bacteria)
As far as studies on molasses go , it is used for the sole purpose of feeding the microbes , which can help with the quality of your soil in organics, but there just aint no sense in feeding something your probably gonna kill with chems.
When you use chelated nutes they are already "broken down" into a form that the plant itself can use, right away. When you use organic foods , they have to be broken down by the microbes before the plant can even use them.

This is just the way I interpreted his post, and added my studies to it to come up with this opinion.


wb

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wyteboi, thanks for breakin it down for me man, +repp. So, I guess since I am using the GH Floranova line with floralicious, there is no real point in supplementing my plain waterings with molasses since the chemical ferts would most likely counteract/kill the microbes in the soil which the molasses is supposed to feed? Its kinda a pain in the ass to prepare it so its all blended in anyways

ccb said:

wyteboi, thanks for breakin it down for me man, +repp. So, I guess since I am using the GH Floranova line with floralicious, there is no real point in supplementing my plain waterings with molasses since the chemical ferts would most likely counteract/kill the microbes in the soil which the molasses is supposed to feed? Its kinda a pain in the ass to prepare it so its all blended in anyways

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If you are in dirt then i would say give it a try, just dont use too much, i am not downing it in hydro , just saying the studies on it are not up to date.
1 TB per gallon every couple weeks wont hurt anything , and may be of some benefit because microbes can live around and eat inorganic nutes too. Inorganic foods will only kill the microbes if the salts build up. If you only give your plant what it wants and nothing more then the chems wont "kill off" the bugs. (again this is just an opinion from plenty of research)

wb

ccb said:

wyteboi, thanks for breakin it down for me man, +repp. So, I guess since I am using the GH Floranova line with floralicious, there is no real point in supplementing my plain waterings with molasses since the chemical ferts would most likely counteract/kill the microbes in the soil which the molasses is supposed to feed? Its kinda a pain in the ass to prepare it so its all blended in anyways

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I use flora nova grow and bloom both chemical,. i also use heavywheight molasses with the chemicals ,and you cant tell me the chemicals kill off whatever is good in the molasses.Like i said ive used it in 4 grows with above average outcomes.I used a chem. carbo load once and it doesnt compare.To a point wuteboi is kinda right, but not totally.I have seen the results of using molasses and wyteboi just tells you what he has probably read somewhere else and has not tried himself.Im telling you watch your water temps and the freshness of the molasses and they will take off.It seems like a pain in the ass to monitor water temps and make sure your additives are fresh,but if your not willing to check these things then you really dont want to grow good bud.dont go by what one person says try it yourself you wont be dissapointed.