Mossad And the JFK Assassination

Scuba

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In March, 1992, Illinois Representative Paul Findley said in The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, "It is interesting - but not surprising - to note that in all the words written and uttered about the Kennedy assassination, Israel's intelligence agency, the Mossad, has never been mentioned."

Considering that the Mossad is quite possibly the most ruthless and efficient intelligence agency in the world, it is peculiar that they have never been scrutinized in relation to the Kennedy assassination, especially when practically every other entity in the world (short of Elvis impersonators) has been implicated. But that all changed in January, 1994 with the release of Michael Collins Piper's Final Judgment. In this book, Piper says, "Israel's Mossad was a primary (and critical) behind the scenes player in the conspiracy that ended the life of JFK. Through its own vast resources and through its international contacts in the intelligence community and in organized crime, Israel had the means, it had the opportunity, and it had the motive to play a major frontline role in the crime of the century - and it did."

Their motive? Israel's much touted Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion, who ruled that country from its inception in 1948 until he resigned on June 16, 1963, was so enraged at John F. Kennedy for not allowing Israel to become a nuclear power that, Collins asserts, in his final days in office he commanded the Mossad to become involved in a plot to kill America's president.

Ben-Gurion was so convinced that Israel's very survival was in dire jeopardy that in one of his final letters to JFK he said, "Mr. President, my people have the right to exist, and this existence is in danger."

In the days leading up to Ben-Gurion's resignation from office, he and JFK had been involved in an unpublicized, contentious debate over the possibility of Israel getting nuclear capabilities. Their disagreement eventually escalated into a full-fledged war of words that was virtually ignored in the press. Ethan Bronner wrote about this secret battle between JFK and Ben-Gurion years later in a New York Times article on October 31, 1998, calling it a "fiercely hidden subject." In fact, the Kennedy/Ben-Gurion conversations are still classified by the United States Government. Maybe this is the case because Ben-Gurion's rage and frustration became so intense - and his power so great within Israel - that Piper contends it was at the center of the conspiracy to kill John Kennedy. This stance is supported by New York banker Abe Feinberg, who describes the situation as such: "Ben-Gurion could be vicious, and he had such a hatred of the old man [Joe Kennedy, Sr., JFK's father]." Ben-Gurion despised Joe Kennedy because he felt that not only was he an anti-Semite, but that he had also sided with Hitler during the 1930's and 40's. [We will touch upon this aspect of the story in an upcoming article entitled The CIA and Organized Crime: Two Sides of the Same Coin].

Anyway, Ben-Gurion was convinced that Israel needed nuclear weapons to insure its survival, while Kennedy was dead-set against it. This inability to reach an agreement caused obvious problems. One of them revolved around Kennedy's decision that he would make America his top priority in regard to foreign policy, and not Israel! Kennedy planned to honor the 1950 Tripartite Declaration which said that the United States would retaliate against any nation in the Middle East that attacked any other country. Ben-Gurion, on the other hand, wanted the Kennedy Administration to sell them offensive weapons, particularly Hawk missiles.

The two leaders thus engaged in a brutal letter exchange, but Kennedy wouldn't budge. Ben-Gurion, obsessed by this issue, slipped into total paranoia, feeling that Kennedy's obstinance was a blatant threat to the very existence of Israel as a nation. Piper writes, "Ben-Gurion had devoted a lifetime creating a Jewish State and guiding it into the world arena. And, in Ben-Gurion's eyes, John F. Kennedy was an enemy of the Jewish people and his beloved state of Israel." He continues, "The 'nuclear option' was not only at the very core of Ben-Gurion's personal world view, but the very foundation of Israel's national security policy."

Ben-Gurion was so preoccupied with obtaining nuclear weapons that on June 27, 1963, eleven days after resigning from office, he announced, "I do not know of any other nation whose neighbors declare that they wish to terminate it, and not only declare, but prepare for it by all means available to them. We must have no illusions that what is declared every day in Cairo, Damascus, and Iraq are just words. This is the thought that guides the Arab leaders … I am confident … that science is able to provide us with the weapons that will serve the peace and deter our enemies."

Avner Cohen, in Israel and the Bomb, published by Columbia University Press, reinforces this sense of urgency by writing, "Imbued with lessons of the Holocaust, Ben-Gurion was consumed by fears of security … Anxiety about the Holocaust reached beyond Ben-Gurion to infuse Israel's military thinking." He further adds fuel to this point by pointing out, "Ben-Gurion had no qualms about Israel's need for weapons of mass destruction," and "Ben-Gurion's world view and his decisive governing style shaped his critical role in instigating Israel's nuclear progress."

Kennedy, on the other hand, was adamant in his refusal to promote Israel's ascension to the nuclear stage. Avener Cohen, in Israel and the Bomb, stresses, "No American president was more concerned with the danger of nuclear proliferation than John Fitzgerald Kennedy. He was convinced that the spread of nuclear weapons would make the world more dangerous and undermine U.S. interests." Cohen continues at the end of this passage, "The only example Kennedy used to make this point was Israel."

Realizing that Kennedy would not change his mind, Ben-Gurion decided to join forces with Communist China. Both countries were greatly interested in creating nuclear programs, and so began their secret joint dealings. Working in unison through intermediary Shaul Eisenberg, who was a partner of Mossad gun-runner and accountant Tibor Rosenbaum, Israel and China proceeded to develop their own nuclear capabilities without the knowledge of the United States.
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If you find this scenario improbable, I strongly urge you to read Gordon Thomas' excellent book, Seeds of Fire, where he exposes how the Mossad and CSIS (Chinese secret service) have conspired on many occasions to not only steal American military secrets, but to also doctor U.S. intelligence programs such as the Justice Department's PROMISE software. This instance, I am afraid to say, is but the first where echoes of the JFK assassination can still be felt today reverberating through our post 9-11 world. The danger of Israel developing the Bomb in unison with China became a highly volatile situation, and was closely monitored by the CIA.

Intent on pursuing this path, the Israeli's constructed a nuclear facility at Dimona. When Kennedy demanded that the U.S. inspect this plant, Ben-Gurion was so incensed that he erected another PHONY facility that held no evidence of nuclear research and development. (Does this scenario sound eerily familiar to the game we're playing with Saddam Hussein in Iraq right now?) Fully aware of their shenanigans, though, JFK told Charles Bartlett, "The sons of bitches lie to me constantly about their nuclear capability."

Avner Cohen, in Israel and the Bomb, reiterates this claim by saying that Ben-Gurion had taken the nuclear issue so closely to heart that he, "concluded that he could not tell the truth about Dimona to American leaders, not even in private."

Dr. Gerald M. Steinberg, political science professor at Bar-Ilan University's BESA Center for Strategic Studies in Tel Aviv, weighs in by saying, "Between 1961 and 1963, the Kennedy administration placed a great deal of pressure on Ben-Gurion in the effort to pressure for acceptance of international inspection of Dimona and Israeli abdication of their nuclear weapons. This pressure apparently did not alter Israeli policy, but it was a contributing factor to Ben-Gurion's resignation in 1963."

To convey how serious this situation had become in modern terms, look at what is happening in Iraq with United Nations security teams inspecting the royal palaces and bunkers for nuclear weapons and materials. This matter is so urgent that our nation is on the verge of war. Forty years earlier, the heat that JFK was placing on Ben-Gurion was equally as strong as what George Bush is laying on Saddam Hussein today.

In Israel and the Bomb, Avner Cohen reinforces this point. "To force Ben-Gurion to accept the conditions, Kennedy exerted the most useful leverage available to an American president in dealing with Israel: a threat that an unsatisfactory solution would jeopardize the U.S. government's commitment to, and support of, Israel."

The pressure on Ben-Gurion was so immense that he ended up leaving office. But Kennedy, in true pit-bull style, didn't let up on Ben-Gurion's successor, Levi Eshkol, as Avner Cohen reports. "Kennedy told Eshkol that the U.S. commitment and support of Israel 'could be seriously jeopardized' if Israel did not let the U.S. obtain 'reliable information' about its efforts in the nuclear field. Kennedy's demands were unprecedented. They amounted, in effect, to an ultimatum." Cohen concludes this thought by asserting, "Kennedy's letter precipitated a near-crisis situation in Eshkol's office."

In the end, as we're all aware, Kennedy was assassinated in November 1963; but less known is that China conducted its first nuclear test in October, 1964. What makes this event more profound is Piper's claim that even though Israel said its first nuclear tests took place in 1979, they actually occurred in October, 1964 along with the Chinese! If this is true, other than August, 1945 when the United States dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, October 1964 may possibly be the most dangerous month in 20th century history.

Let's return, though, to JFK's assassination and the direct results of it in regard to the Jewish lobby, American foreign policy, and the militarization of Israel. To understand how powerful the Israeli lobby is in this country, venerable Senator J. William Fulbright told CBS Face the Nation on April 15, 1973, "Israel controls the U.S. Senate. The Senate is subservient, much too much; we should be more concerned about U.S. interests rather than doing the bidding of Israel. The great majority of the Senate of the U.S. - somewhere around 80% - is completely in support of Israel; anything Israel wants; Israel gets. This has been demonstrated time and again, and this has made [foreign policy] difficult for our government."

Do you hear what Senator Fulbright said? This isn't a crazy conspiracy theorist or a KKK anti-Semite. It's a much-respected U.S. Senator saying that about 80% of the Senate is in Israel's hip pocket. Adding clout to this argument is Rep. Paul Findley, who was quoted in The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs in March, 1992, "During John Kennedy's campaign for the presidency, a group of New York Jews had privately offered to meet his campaign expenses if he would let them set his Middle East policy. He did not agree … As the president, he provided only limited support of Israel."

To understand how important Kennedy's decisions were during his short-lived presidency, we need to look at the issue of campaign finance. Considering how influential the Israeli lobby is in the U.S. Senate (hearkening back to the words of Senator Fulbright), they had to have been enraged when President Kennedy genuinely wanted to cut the knees out from under the current campaign finance methods because it made politicians so reliant upon the huge cash inlays of special-interest groups. Regrettably, Kennedy did not have the time to implement this program, and to this day our political system is still monopolized by lobbyists from the very same special-interest groups. One can only imagine what changes would have occurred in regard to our foreign policy had Kennedy eradicated these vipers and blood-suckers from the halls of Congress.

Tragically, Kennedy's ideas never came to fruition, and his heated battle with Prime Minister Ben-Gurion over whether Israel should be allowed to develop a nuclear program was ultimately lost. The reason why is that Lyndon Baines Johnson, who Kennedy intended to drop from his ticket in 1964 due to his extreme dislike for, had a complete reversal in foreign policy. As you will see, not only did Israel's nuclear program move ahead unchecked; they also became the primary beneficiary of our foreign aid.
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]But this absolute turnaround would not have occurred if Kennedy would not have been assassinated. Up until LBJ became president, Kennedy dealt with the Middle East in a way that most benefited the U.S. His primary goal - and one which would most keep the peace - was a balance of power in the Middle East so that each and every nation would be secure. This decision adhered to the Tripartite Declaration which the U.S. signed in 1950. But under the Johnson administration, this fragile balance was overturned, and by 1967 - only four years after Kennedy's assassination - the U.S. was Israel's main weapons supplier, and OUR best interests were put well behind those of Israel!

As Michael Collins Piper writes: "The bottom line is this: JFK was adamantly determined to stop Israel from building the nuclear bomb. LBJ simply looked the other way. JFK's death did indeed prove beneficial to Israel's nuclear ambitions and the evidence proves it."

Reuven Pedatzer, in a review of Avner Cohen's Israel and the Bomb, in the Israeli Newspaper Ha'aretz on February 5, 1999 wrote, "The murder of American president John F. Kennedy brought to an abrupt end the massive pressure being applied by the U.S. administration on the government of Israel to discontinue their nuclear program." He continues, "Kennedy made it quite clear to the Israeli Prime Minister that he would not under any circumstances agree to Israel becoming a nuclear state." Pedatzer concludes, "Had Kennedy remained alive, it is doubtful whether Israel would today have a nuclear option," and that, "Ben-Gurion's decision to resign in 1963 was taken to a large extent against the background of the tremendous pressure that Kennedy was applying on him concerning the nuclear issue."

If you're still not convinced; how about some numbers? In Kennedy's last fiscal budget year of 1964, Israeli aid was $40 million. In LBJ's first budget of 1965, it soared to $71 million, and in 1966 more than tripled from two years earlier to $130 million! Plus, during Kennedy's administration, almost none of our aid to Israel was military in nature. Instead, it was split equally between development loans and food assistance under the PL480 Program. Yet in 1965 under the Johnson administration, 20% of our aid to Israel was for the military, while in 1966, 71% was used for war-related materials.

Continuing in this same vein, in 1963 the Kennedy administration sold 5 Hawk missiles to Israel as part of an air-defense system. In 1965-66, though, LBJ laid 250 tanks on Israel, 48 Skyhawk attack aircrafts, plus guns and artillery which were all offensive in nature. If you ever wondered when the Israeli War Machine was created, this is it! LBJ was its father.

According to Stephen Green in Taking Sides: America's Secret Relations with a Militant Israel, "The $92 million in military assistance provided in fiscal year 1966 was greater than the total of all official military aid provided to Israel cumulatively in all the years going back to the foundation of that nation in 1948."

Green continues, "70% of all U.S. official assistance to Israel has been military. America has given Israel over $17 billion in military aid since 1946, virtually all of which - over 99% - has been provided since 1965."

Can you see what's happening here? Within two years of JFK's assassination, Israel went from being a weak, outmatched member of the volatile Middle Eastern community that was not allowed to develop nuclear weapons to one that was well on its way to becoming a undeniable military force on the world stage. John Kennedy adamantly put his foot down and refused to allow Israel to develop a nuclear program, while LBJ bent over backward to facilitate and bolster them. Or, as Seymour Hersh wrote in The Samson Option, "By 1968, the president had no intention of doing anything to stop the Israeli bomb."

The result of this shift in focus from the Kennedy to Johnson administration is, in my opinion, the PRIMARY reason behind our current troubles in the Middle East which culminated in the 9-11 attacks and our upcoming war with Iraq (and beyond). I have a great deal of confidence in this statement, for as Michael Collins Piper points out, here are the results of John F. Kennedy's assassination:

1) Our foreign and military aid to Israel increased dramatically once LBJ became president.

2) Rather than trying to maintain a BALANCE in the Middle East, Israel suddenly emerged as the dominant force.

3) Since the LBJ administration, Israel has always had weaponry that was superior to any of its direct neighbors.

4) Due to this undeniable and obvious increase in Israel's War Machine, a constant struggle has been perpetuated in the Middle East.

5) LBJ also allowed Israel to proceed with its nuclear development, resulting in them becoming the 6th largest nuclear force in the world.

6) Finally, our huge outlays of foreign aid to Israel (approximately $10 billion/year when all is said and done) has created a situation of never-ending attacks and retaliation in the Middle East, plus outright scorn and enmity against the U.S. for playing the role of Israel's military enabler.
In Israel's, and especially David Ben-Gurion's eyes then, what were their alternatives - to remain weakened (or at least balanced) in relation to their neighbors and handcuffed by JFK's refusal to bow to their will, or KILL the one man standing in their way to becoming dominant in the Middle East, the recipient of huge amounts of military aid, and one of the premier nuclear forces in the world? It's something to think about. Also, while these thoughts are running through your head, ask yourself this question. If Kennedy, LBJ, and all subsequent administrations would have adhered to the 1950 Tripartite Declaration and did everything in their power to maintain balance in the Middle East instead of pushing Israel to the forefront, would our Towers have been attacked on 9-11, 2001, and would we be on the verge of a possibly catastrophic war today? It's certainly something to ponder.
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Scuba

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what are your opinions on this. I just found it while looking for dirt on the US
 

abe23

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what are your opinions on this. I just found it while looking for dirt on the US
You should check out a book called the protocols of the elders of zion.

You seem to be a fan of fictional jewish conspiracies, might as well go with the granddaddy of them all...
 

Scuba

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well im not a fan of JEWISH conspiracies but just conspiracies in general XD

and i've read some of that book, but it was too fictional for me. I like some physical evidence to my conspiracies XD
 

fitch303

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I was mostly kidding but you posted 2 anti Semitic or what appeared to be anti Semetic threads back to back. Just connecting the dots
 

Scuba

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I was mostly kidding but you posted 2 anti Semitic or what appeared to be anti Semetic threads back to back. Just connecting the dots
so what, is my entire profile about antisemitism? Do you even know me?

So if anyone points to Israel being a bad guy, you automatically think they are an anti Semite? even if i were, i'd be saying more about the Nazi party, then Israel.

Here's an interesting fact, the Auschwitz photos of the crematories smoking stacks, is a fake, it was proven to be a fake. so what says everything about WW1 wasn't just a load of bullshit that WARMONGERS started crying about to get everyone riled up for war.

I truly believe that every person that believes that Jewish genocide really happened, needs to stop sucking the tit of uncle Sam.
 

abe23

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so what, is my entire profile about antisemitism? Do you even know me?

So if anyone points to Israel being a bad guy, you automatically think they are an anti Semite? even if i were, i'd be saying more about the Nazi party, then Israel.

Here's an interesting fact, the Auschwitz photos of the crematories smoking stacks, is a fake, it was proven to be a fake. so what says everything about WW1 wasn't just a load of bullshit that WARMONGERS started crying about to get everyone riled up for war.

I truly believe that every person that believes that Jewish genocide really happened, needs to stop sucking the tit of uncle Sam.
So you believe in the most far-fetched anti-jewish conspiracy theories and think the holocaust is a big fraud, but you're not anti-semite, huh? Right... :confused:

The Nazi party actually did some cutting-edge research in germany about jews and their diabolical plans that you might be very interested in...
 

Scuba

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So you believe in the most far-fetched anti-jewish conspiracy theories and think the holocaust is a big fraud, but you're not anti-semite, huh? Right... :confused:

The Nazi party actually did some cutting-edge research in germany about jews and their diabolical plans that you might be very interested in...
wow, i said im not an anti Semite, i HATE EVERYONE!!!! No person is without sin.

What's so far-fetched about it?

Do you think Muslims are the real cause of 9/11? then your anti Islamic!!! Anyone can point fingers at anyone, if you don't research then you might as well keep your head in the sand!!

I just thought that it was incredibly weird that NO ONE is willing to point to Israel being a NUCLEAR super power and yet we think that some people hiding in the sand are terrorizing us, one of the BIGGEST nuclear super powers in the world........... tell me about that?
 

doc111

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wow, i said im not an anti Semite, i HATE EVERYONE!!!! No person is without sin.

What's so far-fetched about it?

Do you think Muslims are the real cause of 9/11? then your anti Islamic!!! Anyone can point fingers at anyone, if you don't research then you might as well keep your head in the sand!!

I just thought that it was incredibly weird that NO ONE is willing to point to Israel being a NUCLEAR super power and yet we think that some people hiding in the sand are terrorizing us, one of the BIGGEST nuclear super powers in the world........... tell me about that?
Israel doesn't "officially" have nukes. I'm sure they do but still......:confused:

In my younger days I got really fascinated by this stuff until I found out that most of it is half truths and some outright fabrications. Besides, nobody will every be able to prove most of these "conspiracies". I also learned that if you get too much into this stuff and don't remain skeptical, it can easily consume you. You start to become paranoid about humanity in general, thinking that everybody has some ulterior motive or that "they" are just out to get you. If you are interested in this conspiracy stuff then check out the book "Behold, a Pale Horse". I found it to be quite chilling but it IS fiction. Just remember that.;-)
 

Scuba

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Israel doesn't "officially" have nukes. I'm sure they do but still......:confused:

In my younger days I got really fascinated by this stuff until I found out that most of it is half truths and some outright fabrications. Besides, nobody will every be able to prove most of these "conspiracies". I also learned that if you get too much into this stuff and don't remain skeptical, it can easily consume you. You start to become paranoid about humanity in general, thinking that everybody has some ulterior motive or that "they" are just out to get you. If you are interested in this conspiracy stuff then check out the book "Behold, a Pale Horse". I found it to be quite chilling but it IS fiction. Just remember that.;-)
well said, i just like speculating on Govt. conspiracies XD. I do keep in mind that most of it might be made up, but then i look more for SOME hard evidence, which is scarce at best.
I'm not really paranoid, i just have unwillingness to trust everyone. Some i trust with my life, others i wouldn't even speak too. I haven't really made any claims just a lot of questions. The original post was a more likely part fiction, but on the site i found it, they gave scanned letters with JFk's signature, although that might be fake as well if you are seriously skeptical. XD
 

NoDrama

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Israel has over 80 Nuclear weapons. The only reason it is not "official" is because they are not a part of the Nuclear Non Proliferation treaty and by neither denying or confirming the possibility of those weapons/programs it offers itself strategic ambiguity. According to the National Resources Defense Council it has 200 atomic weapons and is the world's 6th largest Nuclear power.
 

Scuba

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Israel has over 80 Nuclear weapons. The only reason it is not "official" is because they are not a part of the Nuclear Non Proliferation treaty and by neither denying or confirming the possibility of those weapons/programs it offers itself strategic ambiguity. According to the National Resources Defense Council it has 200 atomic weapons and is the world's 6th largest Nuclear power.
Interesting.
 

doc111

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Israel has over 80 Nuclear weapons. The only reason it is not "official" is because they are not a part of the Nuclear Non Proliferation treaty and by neither denying or confirming the possibility of those weapons/programs it offers itself strategic ambiguity. According to the National Resources Defense Council it has 200 atomic weapons and is the world's 6th largest Nuclear power.
"Strategic ambiguity"..........I love that term! Why can't we be "Strategically Ambiguous"?:-?
 

doc111

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Because America likes to gloat
Aha! I think you nailed it. It's about time we start a policy of "Strategic Ambiguity". Ya feel me? We could just be like "Eh, maybe we got a buncha nukes.............maybe we don't."8)
 

Scuba

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Aha! I think you nailed it. It's about time we start a policy of "Strategic Ambiguity". Ya feel me? We could just be like "Eh, maybe we got a buncha nukes.............maybe we don't."8)
ya we could, but then "someone" would really want to see if we "did" have nukes. kinda like us and Iran hahaha
 

andar

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everyone already knows we have them because we have used them before. not very ambiguos
 

Scuba

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everyone already knows we have them because we have used them before. not very ambiguos
true, but their are technologies that are yet to be released to the public view. Up until a few years ago the GLOBAL HAWK drone was a secret project out of an airforce base that is in California, they fly ever single Global hawk drone FROM that base. no where else. so i call that a secret weapon. Along with our new laser technology that can blow a drone out of the sky from a half mile away in the air, from a Us naval destroyer.

if you don't believe me type it in google.
 
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