My 2 cents on profit for caregivers

Cory and trevor said:

Don't be mad at the grower; Johnny Q law and your government are agan manipulatng the market. Think banks, Lehman and those guys. Market manipulation is part of the equations all day. Your wonderful government is creating market manipulation wth their interpretation of the law. Never the job of the seller to keep himself in line and charge fairly. gas guy was in a spot and made a buck-guess you should have filled your tank(and sac) while you had good prices. Motorists are to blame for running out of gas don't get mad cuz you got caught with your pants down. grow your own "gas" or pay what the producer/seller is asking.

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The point of the story was how the gas guy wanted to be portrayed as a good Samaritan. Sure, he's can make a profit....but $20 a gallon?

stumpjumper said:

Caregivers shouldn't be making money, we shouldn't be growing. We all need to stop so the mexicans can stay in business and our government has someone to sell weapons too.... god don't you guys get it?

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Yep, throw in the towel and let the Mexicans make all the money. Let them keep killing people who stumble onto their crops out in the forests in cali.

stumpjumper said:

They have to be struggling a little. I haven't seen brick weed in years.

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I wish I could say the same, it's all over the place here. Weird thing to me is I used to barely ever see any and now it's all over the place. You can put almost a half pound in a regular ziploc bag

bob harris said:

I said you don't have skills based of the fact that you said you couldn't make 60k a yer with a 60 plant grow..

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If you oly yielded 2oz per plant and sold for $200 an oz and had 2 harvests you'd be at $48,000....

Bob that is only a 2oz plant? looks a little more..

blissfest said:

MJ is a huge money maker for the government(DEA), if it was legal, half those assholes would be out of a job.

They enjoy the war on drugs and fuckin around with the cartels. Busting mj grows. It's easy and gives them a job.

It is almost like the cartels payoff the feds to have mj Illegal?

I dont get it? That is how to put the cartels out of business, let all americans grow their own. MJ is 60% of the cartels business, and we could fuck them hard, but we dont?

The Feds must be gettin payed, and dont want to lose their cozy easy job of busting MJ growers. Those dumbfucks need to work on taking the hard drugs off the street, and forget about marijuana, Sad.

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Ridiculous statement.

Government makes no money from the enforcement of cannabis laws. Seizures don't come close to paying for the cost of enforcement. If cannabis were de criminalized no government jobs would be lost..actually, more would be created.

Bob you're whining about other people charging too much and then out of the other side of your mouth you're saying that if you don't make $60,000 a year you have no skills. Maybe you should pick a side and stay there instead of flip flopping constantly.

bob harris said:

Ridiculous statement.

Government makes no money from the enforcement of cannabis laws. Seizures don't come close to paying for the cost of enforcement. If cannabis were de criminalized no government jobs would be lost..actually, more would be created.

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Not really since the prisons would be half empty. I think the trickle down effect that cannabis has on law enforcement jobs is grossly underrated. They need it to be illegal so they can keep those prisons full and keep bringing in the money.

If pot were legalized you would see a lot of the privately owned prisons shutting down.

stumpjumper said:

If you oly yielded 2oz per plant and sold for $200 an oz and had 2 harvests you'd be at $48,000....

Bob that is only a 2oz plant? looks a little more..

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I'm using the 2 oz number as a minimum.(in the model I posted, I used 2.5, as all these guys say they yield more. 2.5 is where 60k comes from) These guys keep saying they couldn't make a living growing, without charging 300 an oz. I've set forth an economic grow model based on low yield, high cost growing conditions, that shows a very reasonable living can be made.

We are in a Medical forum, discussing the advance of legal medical growing. they all say they want more legal rights to grow. I'm just asking how they would be able to make a living in a legal, free market environment.

Either they don't truly want more liberal cannabis laws, or they simply couldn't compete if there were legal growers...or they want legalized, but black market prices.

TATTOODETROIT said:

that's worth $300-$500 oz. But I get sum dank Hightimes shit for $325 QP.. !!! $150 Oz. Is an honest price IMO.. !!

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In mich I highly doubt that u get good buds for 325$A qp unless you are trading at that price with another grower. 325 I would not be able to make my electric bill.

Edit; I Want the same prices as I charge for chantrells I forage off my land . FAIR market value you probably haggle at the farmers market too ... What an asshole... 75000$ a year after taxes is a good living wage for the high cost areas of Cali and other populated areas. Fair market value is set by you . It is up to the patient to be on point growing there own meds since it's sooooo easy. or finding a compassionate caregiver that has extra .... I only have extra cuz of the prices I charge to non cash strapped med users.
Things are tough all over the gap between the haves and the have nots is widening . This a way for a lowly dirt farmer to get ahead alittle by charging sliding scales to your med users I make the HAVEs pay fir the HAVENOTS.

bob harris said:

Ridiculous statement.

Government makes no money from the enforcement of cannabis laws. Seizures don't come close to paying for the cost of enforcement. If cannabis were de criminalized no government jobs would be lost..actually, more would be created.

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taxes are sucked up that all of them are making a nice profit from.be it all the judge's,cop's,guard's and many many more make a living on oppession of it's fellow citizen's

Motorbuds said:

Bob you're whining about other people charging too much and then out of the other side of your mouth you're saying that if you don't make $60,000 a year you have no skills. Maybe you should pick a side and stay there instead of flip flopping constantly.

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Read my posts. Don't just pick snippets. Not flip flopping. I've shown a grow model for a 60 plant grow, with high operating costs and assuming low per plant yield that would earn the "business owner" 60k a year, selling his product at fairly low prices.

I'm simply asking for either logical adjustment to that model, or why people feel that 60k a year isn't enough for tending a garden. And yes, 60 plants is a garden...farmers have acres to contend with..

CountGlochula said:

taxes are sucked up that all of them are making a nice profit from.be it all the judge's,cop's,guard's and many many more make a living on oppession of it's fellow citizen's

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If you legalized cannabis, tax income for governments would increase (we'd pay taxes on the income from growing) And all the jobs you mention would still exist...they would simply be more effieceimt with cannabis cases lessened.

and no fed's kicking down their door's.

Motorbuds said:

Not really since the prisons would be half empty. I think the trickle down effect that cannabis has on law enforcement jobs is grossly underrated. They need it to be illegal so they can keep those prisons full and keep bringing in the money.

If pot were legalized you would see a lot of the privately owned prisons shutting down.

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Your mis informed. Although there are a ton of cannabis related "crimes" in statistical information, the vast majority are for misdemeanor possession or use. The people going to prison for cannabis are larger scale than that.

It wouldn't empty the prisons...might reduce over crowding..but that's a good thing.

Joedank said:

In mich I highly doubt that u get good buds for 325$ unless you are trading at that price with another grower. 325 I would not be able to make my electric bill.

Edit; I Wang the same prices as I charge for chantrells I forage off my land . FAIR market value you probably haggle at the farmers market too ... What an asshole... 75000$ a year after taxes is a good living wage for the high cost areas of Cali and other populated areas. Fair market value is set by you . It is up to the patient to be on point growing there own meds since it's sooooo easy. or finding a compassionate caregiver that has extra .... I only have extra cuz of the prices I charge to non cash strapped med users.
Things are tough all over the gap between the haves and the have nots is widening . This a way for a lowly dirt farmer to get ahead alittle by charging sliding scales to your med users I make the HAVEs pay fir the HAVENOTS.

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Again, if you can't make your electric bill at 325 an oz....you've got issues.

no taxes would not increase.that's just silly to honestly think that.it's a plant.they would lose million's every month.you are fucking blind also.

bob harris said:

Ridiculous statement.

Government makes no money from the enforcement of cannabis laws. Seizures don't come close to paying for the cost of enforcement. If cannabis were de criminalized no government jobs would be lost..actually, more would be created.

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Woah bud look at seizures in 2010 for mendocino county ca like 3,000,000 in cash ! THeN the assets and property seized ... You have no fucking clue . The war on drugs is all about keeping big pharma in control and natural meds down the cash flows from lobbyist in washinton to the border an coastal regions . It is all exmilatary running the show for the war on drugs... They buddy up and work a thousand hours a year then buy the seized assets for nothing and own pawn shops an mansions in Texas !!!

Cory and trevor said:

Yeah, so like I said wth my fif grade econ-supply chases demand. Let us handle our demand, I bet taht is one product we actually can produce. Fuck, let's EXPORT IT-we're America and the best at whatever we do os let's do this thing.

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So..are you ever going to answer a direct questions on reasonable income from medical growing? Or just continue to rant...

That's 325$ a qp bob read the whole post by that guy
Thats 2.90$ a gram no I can't make ends meet at .18$ per kilowatt hr that makes my meds cost 7$ per gram and raising

bob harris said:

So..are you ever going to answer a direct questions on reasonable income from medical growing? Or just continue to rant...

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dude why are we being preparation h for this butt hurt crybaby.

bob harris said:

Your mis informed. Although there are a ton of cannabis related "crimes" in statistical information, the vast majority are for misdemeanor possession or use. The people going to prison for cannabis are larger scale than that.

It wouldn't empty the prisons...might reduce over crowding..but that's a good thing.

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You may be a little under informed yourself. There are a lot of people in prison right now for marijuana related "crimes". I'm not going to try and figure the numbers out right at this moment because I don't have time but it's a pretty significant number. I was actually just reading a story about private prisons and how they basically rely on the drug trade to make money. If you saw some of the companies privatizing prisons you would be surprised to see some familiar names.