My 8hr flowering experiment

torontoke

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That's the same schedule I used...
Strange
Alot of people use glr for veg and have good results. Id say either you didnt leave it long enough to respond or the strain just isnt going to work with glr.
What strain was it? How big were they when u switched the lights?
 

ttystikk

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I'm also very interested in giving the plants twelve and twelve for the initial two weeks of bloom, then going to 8 on and 16 off to see what they do relative to the standard 12/12 schedule.
 

ttystikk

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Strange
Alot of people use glr for veg and have good results. Id say either you didnt leave it long enough to respond or the strain just isnt going to work with glr.
What strain was it? How big were they when u switched the lights?
8 strains involved, all responded the same way. They were 3' tall or taller.

At the time I was running 4 x 600W HPS in batwings overhead in my prebloom veg. I've since switched to one HPS thouie and one 860W CDM, both hung vertically in the middle of the space. Almost 1/4 less watts and the plants like it much better!
 

torontoke

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I know guys that use
8 strains involved, all responded the same way. They were 3' tall or taller.

At the time I was running 4 x 600W HPS in batwings overhead in my prebloom veg. I've since switched to one HPS thouie and one 860W CDM, both hung vertically in the middle of the space. Almost 1/4 less watts and the plants like it much better!
Wow 3' are awfully tall to be switching then. Most people switch em early and use the glr to get them to 3'. Could be that they were too tall and fixed into their schedule.

The plants do seem happiest when u gove them enough light without going overboard. Ive noticed in a few peoples grows that they seem to think theres no such thing as too much light but there definately is.
Something to that old saying that sometimes less is more.

I hope you do try the 12/12 followed by 8/16 i will be interested to see how it works for you.
 

ttystikk

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I know guys that use

Wow 3' are awfully tall to be switching then. Most people switch em early and use the glr to get them to 3'. Could be that they were too tall and fixed into their schedule.

The plants do seem happiest when u gove them enough light without going overboard. Ive noticed in a few peoples grows that they seem to think theres no such thing as too much light but there definately is.
Something to that old saying that sometimes less is more.

I hope you do try the 12/12 followed by 8/16 i will be interested to see how it works for you.
They need to get twice that tall to fill my trellis...

The lighting change was a big improvement more for placement reasons than any other factor.
 

skunkd0c

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I've grown enough to know that most everyone on these forums are stuck in their ways to not actually try shit out for themselves and hate on the ones that do try new things. unless you have proof, meaning actual evidence that supports your statement, your opinion doesn't mean shit. Research is both reading and applying what you read.
I encounter and get skooled by various folk that talk such a beautiful grow
they have various links saved to peer reviewed studies, they are a real arsenal of information, having all the latest equipment with the most fashionable brand names , having read all the popular Jeorge + Ed books, some of them take photos of the pages to prove they have read them
some of them even have books on botany !

i am overwhelmed by this level of scientific knowledge
i will visit their grow thread to further my education and hopefully get a glimpse of all
this wonderful knowledge being put into practice

how do i feel when i find myself viewing sick looking plants under cfls on mr scientists grow thread

cheated, that's how i feel, i came for the education and pretty pictures

where are the pretty pictures !
 

torontoke

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They need to get twice that tall to fill my trellis...

The lighting change was a big improvement more for placement reasons than any other factor.
Well i wouldnt switch the lights back to glr now but try it out from when the plants are much smaller next time and by the time they are 10-12" you will see they can really take off and you wont notice any growth slowdown. If you do run a shortened light cycle please post pics and let me know how it works out.
 

torontoke

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I encounter and get skooled by various folk that talk such a beautiful grow
they have various links saved to peer reviewed studies, they are a real arsenal of information, having all the latest equipment with the most fashionable brand names , having read all the popular Jeorge + Ed books, some of them take photos of the pages to prove they have read them
some of them even have books on botany !

i am overwhelmed by this level of scientific knowledge
i will visit their grow thread to further my education and hopefully get a glimpse of all
this wonderful knowledge being put into practice

how do i feel when i find myself viewing sick looking plants under cfls on mr scientists grow thread

cheated, that's how i feel, i came for the education and pretty pictures

where are the pretty pictures !
Sorry you feel so cheated reading my grow journal!
Ive seen some of your huge photo dump threads and id say you post enough pics for everyone.
Keep in mind the cabinet being used in this thread is 32" wide 22" deep and 50" high. Not exactly room for the huge monster plant pics it would require to make you happy. Your more than welcome to post pics here yourself if you like and that goes double if you try running a shortened lighting cycle.
Cheers
 

skunkd0c

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Sorry you feel so cheated reading my grow journal!
Ive seen some of your huge photo dump threads and id say you post enough pics for everyone.
Keep in mind the cabinet being used in this thread is 32" wide 22" deep and 50" high. Not exactly room for the huge monster plant pics it would require to make you happy. Your more than welcome to post pics here yourself if you like and that goes double if you try running a shortened lighting cycle.
Cheers
i wasn't thinking of you

i like taking pictures and looking at pictures its a hobby, if you do not like doing that its all good
i would rather see a picture of someones grow than hear them talk shit for 20 mins
each to their own

if you recognized yourself in my comment , that is something for you to deal with yourself

peace
 

torontoke

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i wasn't thinking of you

i like taking pictures and looking at pictures its a hobby, if you do not like doing that its all good
i would rather see a picture of someones grow than hear them talk shit for 20 mins
each to their own

if you recognized yourself in my comment , that is something for you to deal with yourself

peace
Your not alone in your love of pictures. I would much rather post pics and see them aswell.
I actually really enjoy viewing all of yours too. I was just on one of your threads. Im not butthurt bud it would take alot to get under my skin now.

Im doing my best to deal with my current situation and hopefully i will have it figured out soon enough.
 

skunkd0c

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Your not alone in your love of pictures. I would much rather post pics and see them aswell.
I actually really enjoy viewing all of yours too. I was just on one of your threads. Im not butthurt bud it would take alot to get under my skin now.

Im doing my best to deal with my current situation and hopefully i will have it figured out soon enough.
i find pretty plants sexy, when i look at them it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside

i never said you was butthurt, and i do not think that

sorry if you think my statement was aimed at you and only you
i was making a general statement about lots of users that skool me, and my general favor of pictures over boring data

i think your experiment is interesting, i am interested in photoperiod experiments
but i do get bored quickly reading lots of "scientific" stuff

peace
 

torontoke

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i find pretty plants sexy, when i look at them it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside

i never said you was butthurt, and i do not think that

sorry if you think my statement was aimed at you and only you
i was making a general statement about lots of users that skool me, and my general favor of pictures over boring data

i think your experiment is interesting, i am interested in photoperiod experiments
but i do get bored quickly reading lots of "scientific" stuff

peace
I know exactly what you mean.
I get the same feeling from good photos. That and it makes me want to collect and try almost every seed i see.
My collection is growing exponentially and hopefully soon i will be the guy posting those pics to motivate others like you do.
It is what it is tho. I try to not get bummed out about my current lack of growspace while im trying to move on to better things.

I was never into the science or anything else before either and i agree sometimes the jargon could easily b set aside in favour of a whack of story telling pics.

If your interested in trying new light cycles and the possibilities of it then take the leap and try something.
Doesnt have to be radical even 10/14 is two hours of light savings.
And scientific or not i guarantee that reduced lighting periods do speed up flowering times. Could mean an extra flower cycle over the course of a year.
 

skunkd0c

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I know exactly what you mean.
I get the same feeling from good photos. That and it makes me want to collect and try almost every seed i see.
My collection is growing exponentially and hopefully soon i will be the guy posting those pics to motivate others like you do.
It is what it is tho. I try to not get bummed out about my current lack of growspace while im trying to move on to better things.

I was never into the science or anything else before either and i agree sometimes the jargon could easily b set aside in favour of a whack of story telling pics.

If your interested in trying new light cycles and the possibilities of it then take the leap and try something.
Doesnt have to be radical even 10/14 is two hours of light savings.
And scientific or not i guarantee that reduced lighting periods do speed up flowering times. Could mean an extra flower cycle over the course of a year.
i am not trying to knock the science or anything but that part is the easy part because for most people here who are not real scientists with degrees
the science part only involves reading a few papers and posting links to them then declaring yourself an expert because of your "credible source"

sometimes the links people post me, they have not even read the papers themselves

if people were just posting a picture we could all "see" for ourselves even though i accept the picture does not tell the whole story
but it does give each person the ability to make their own judgement on what they see in a quicker time frame
than reading through a lot of data + links to data they never wrote themselves

i am not saying i am right its just my opinion, some folk might prefer exchanging data and scientific journals rather than
looking at pictures from regular growers who are not scientists or have any peer reviewed journals under their belt
i am happy to look at pictures and hear the opinions of regular growers i like to keep it as non technical as possible

peace
 

ttystikk

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The article you posted above also discussed the shortening of day length during the flower cycle. I found their reasoning to be interesting; that they'd found evidence that the plants had soaked up all they could use of the light in just six hours, and the rest of the day was a waste.

I wonder if this is a timing thing or if irradiance is also a factor; then it occurred to me that I've been coming at the same energy savings from the opposite direction; my grows run between 25-30W/ft², barely half the industry standard, yet I'm getting good results.

What if one increased irradiance, but reduced day length? The DRI, daily light interval of duration x irradiance would still seem to balance in this case.

Finally, back to the all-important yield. If reducing day length significantly hurts weight, it isn't progress. Even if a seventh crop (6 crops x 8 weeks = 48 weeks) could be squeezed in, if the end result isn't more yield then again, not progress... just an extra crop's worth of work!

Yield quality must also be carefully assessed, especially considering that we aren't really interested in the leaves, stems or even the buds themselves... but rather the resin the plant creates and secretes on its surfaces.

Personally, I suspect shorter days with stronger lighting might actually be beneficial for trichome production... Again, this would need to be tested.
 

torontoke

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The article you posted above also discussed the shortening of day length during the flower cycle. I found their reasoning to be interesting; that they'd found evidence that the plants had soaked up all they could use of the light in just six hours, and the rest of the day was a waste.

I wonder if this is a timing thing or if irradiance is also a factor; then it occurred to me that I've been coming at the same energy savings from the opposite direction; my grows run between 25-30W/ft², barely half the industry standard, yet I'm getting good results.

What if one increased irradiance, but reduced day length? The DRI, daily light interval of duration x irradiance would still seem to balance in this case.

Finally, back to the all-important yield. If reducing day length significantly hurts weight, it isn't progress. Even if a seventh crop (6 crops x 8 weeks = 48 weeks) could be squeezed in, if the end result isn't more yield then again, not progress... just an extra crop's worth of work!

Yield quality must also be carefully assessed, especially considering that we aren't really interested in the leaves, stems or even the buds themselves... but rather the resin the plant creates and secretes on its surfaces.

Personally, I suspect shorter days with stronger lighting might actually be beneficial for trichome production... Again, this would need to be tested.
Basically thats what ive been saying for months now. Thats why the buds didnt seem to want to fill out in my small overheated cabinet under a 400mh yet under both of my friends 600hps and 1000hps they were thicker and more dense.
And they did finish early and coated in resin. He even saved the fans to process they had so much on em.

I disagree with your breakdown of if it would be progress tho without achieving the same yield.
You have to remember that with both the veg and flowering savings being 50% the cost per gram goes way down so yes it sucks losing 20-25% yield you easily add a full harvest. I guess it would require alot more math to work it out completely but its late and ive been burnin all night lol.

I still think you guys were onto something months ago with the idea of a switch box using a 24 hr day to run three flower areas. Doing that over the course of a yr with an extra 3 harvests has to make the cost efficiency worthwhile.
Once i have a bigger room i will try it and see
 

ttystikk

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Basically thats what ive been saying for months now. Thats why the buds didnt seem to want to fill out in my small overheated cabinet under a 400mh yet under both of my friends 600hps and 1000hps they were thicker and more dense.
And they did finish early and coated in resin. He even saved the fans to process they had so much on em.

I disagree with your breakdown of if it would be progress tho without achieving the same yield.
You have to remember that with both the veg and flowering savings being 50% the cost per gram goes way down so yes it sucks losing 20-25% yield you easily add a full harvest. I guess it would require alot more math to work it out completely but its late and ive been burnin all night lol.

I still think you guys were onto something months ago with the idea of a switch box using a 24 hr day to run three flower areas. Doing that over the course of a yr with an extra 3 harvests has to make the cost efficiency worthwhile.
Once i have a bigger room i will try it and see
But that's just it- why would someone want to give up 25% of their yield if that yield is soooooo much more valuable than the power saved? From that power savings, one has to also subtract the cost of the extra square footage.

Right now, it's worth adding 50% MORE light to get 15% more yield. I'm not hating on the idea, far from it; I'm doing some hard nosed cost/benefit calculations to see where this leads.
 

WattSaver

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I've tried the glr but it didn't work in my setup because my veg is powered by 4 T8 bulbs 128w total for 6sf, even at 18/6 my veg is slow. Now I always start flower at less than 12/12 usually 11/13 mainly because I grow mostly sativa dom strains. After following your thread I dropped my light on time to 9hr at the end of wk 1 this grow, I'm now wk 5+ and the plants look great, buds are packing at full speed. I can't say if they are going faster than normal because I've never grown these strains before. I may try 8 or less hrs next run.
 

torontoke

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I've tried the glr but it didn't work in my setup because my veg is powered by 4 T8 bulbs 128w total for 6sf, even at 18/6 my veg is slow. Now I always start flower at less than 12/12 usually 11/13 mainly because I grow mostly sativa dom strains. After following your thread I dropped my light on time to 9hr at the end of wk 1 this grow, I'm now wk 5+ and the plants look great, buds are packing at full speed. I can't say if they are going faster than normal because I've never grown these strains before. I may try 8 or less hrs next run.
That's awesome.
Post some pics so I can live vicariously through your grow.
 
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