My Amare Full-Bore Pro-4 Grow #1

After a long popping. I've decided to leave some of the growth by the back walls n go w/ Horizon side-lighting to get some weight under the trellis. It would be such a waste to cut all that plant away. Already cut them in half.
Still got right mind to rip the Snow-D out & replace it w/ some other strains. Just don't think going from 6" to 3 gall & right to flower is going to be good. They'd need at least 1-2 weeks to grow into the Potts.
The Flos started showing the same deficiency or whatever as last time as soon as they got under the cobs. Don't know if it's from going burple veg to white cobs? Dunno. But the one that was vegged under the MH didn't show signs of the problem. It did stretch like hell under the MH w/ huge spaces between nodes & had to be bent n weaved into the net, whereas the Hydroponics Hut vegged Flos stayed stocky w/ close intermodal spacing.
Anyways, flushed n vacuumed these 6 girls w/ about 60 gall. Of PH'd water. Still about 30 gall. Shy of a true flush seeing how one technically needs to flush each 7 w/ 14 gall. To do it right. Either way, they are showing signs of improvements.
Hopefully once I give them their first House & Garden feed they will be corrected.
If I lose these 3 Flos like last time, backed by a shitty Snow-D, I just might lose my shit.
In 20 hrs. Of darkness now. First lights on is tonight but will be counting day 1 as Sun.
Updates on Mon.
Wish me luck cuz I've been down on it for awhile.

Hybridway said:

There's 3 of them in the Cloak.
Almost cut down this big ass Snow-D & replaced it w/ one of the SS. Not really liking the SD & feel it's just going to disappoint. The SS on the other hand would be perfect under the Amare's cuz it's not a major stretcher & produces nice colas under ubundent light. It's not right for the Cloak but keeps ending up there due to the cloning schedules.
Got one for the next run though. It's about 1.5 month on its 6" Pott now though & flower is only just starting. Got another 2.5 months till it will see flower light so I need to keep it small as possible for as long as possible.
Also got some new GG#4 going & a new strain we call KKK. Those alone will take up the space so hopefully I can add some HPS next run if it's cool enough out or if I ever get my Mini-Split installed.
Yeah, been wanting to get the SS under these. Only did once in the last thread but it was only catching the edge lighting off the lenses. Came out nice though.
Good strain to grow.
How's things?

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All is well thanks
Got some sensi star drying now.
Two phenos. I'm liking the 2016 seed version rather than the old one I've had for years.
The 2016 is real tight, easier to trim and the smoke and high are smashing.
Also a wappa. It looked fantastic in flower with big donkey buds but it appears quite fluffy whilst trimming. Smells great tho. I cant wait to try it in a day or two.

I've 2 LA Cons from seed in flower now and a Strawberry Banana clone.
I had them start flower with a quantum board @150 watts then added 2 cxbs @ 50 watts
They're now in main area under 9 cobs 3590 , 450 wall watts and as i did so well with the side lights last round I'll throw them on again in about a weeks time.
The banana is a super stretcher so I'd to snap down the branches on her.
Quite a rigid stem type on the banana but it done her no harm.

I've 2 sensi star 16s and a wappa in veg and 6 wee ones of various clones , banana, ss1, ss2 n la cons.

Hybridway said:

After a long popping. I've decided to leave some of the growth by the back walls n go w/ Horizon side-lighting to get some weight under the trellis. It would be such a waste to cut all that plant away. Already cut them in half.
Still got right mind to rip the Snow-D out & replace it w/ some other strains. Just don't think going from 6" to 3 gall & right to flower is going to be good. They'd need at least 1-2 weeks to grow into the Potts.
The Flos started showing the same deficiency or whatever as last time as soon as they got under the cobs. Don't know if it's from going burple veg to white cobs? Dunno. But the one that was vegged under the MH didn't show signs of the problem. It did stretch like hell under the MH w/ huge spaces between nodes & had to be bent n weaved into the net, whereas the Hydroponics Hut vegged Flos stayed stocky w/ close intermodal spacing.
Anyways, flushed n vacuumed these 6 girls w/ about 60 gall. Of PH'd water. Still about 30 gall. Shy of a true flush seeing how one technically needs to flush each 7 w/ 14 gall. To do it right. Either way, they are showing signs of improvements.
Hopefully once I give them their first House & Garden feed they will be corrected.
If I lose these 3 Flos like last time, backed by a shitty Snow-D, I just might lose my shit.
In 20 hrs. Of darkness now. First lights on is tonight but will be counting day 1 as Sun.
Updates on Mon.
Wish me luck cuz I've been down on it for awhile.

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You'll kill it this time
No luck needed!
Lol

2.6 #'s reported off the Fluence Spyder X Plus from a local grower friend. Just a FYI.

Day 10 I think. Cobs only
Flo 1

Flo 2

Flo 3

They are displaying similiar issues to last time w/ the deficient or whatever leaves, turning purple n light green. Might try the Magic Green foliar. It's part of the H&G anyways. I swear it has something to do w/ the Cobs. They are fine till they get cob.
Weird.
Opened them up the other day when more room became available. Wasn't feeling the Snow-D so I gave her the chop. Filled some of the gap w/ 3 lil AoS fresh outta 6"s.

3 lil AoS in 3's. They haven't grown into them yet but should be ok.

Monos went on 2 days ago over these 2.
AoS x Astro-Dawg (plucked fan leaves)

Kings Kush (plucked fan leaves)

I put up 3 horizons against the back wall for side lighting.

@Hybridway, I can tell you're pushing the nutes. Are you running cal mag? What's your source water like?

Evil-Mobo said:

@Hybridway, I can tell you're pushing the nutes. Are you running cal mag? What's your source water like?

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Yeah, just switched to H&G after a good flushin.
Using the RO & add Cal-Mag prior @ 3 ml a gall = 170 ppm. Was gonna but straight mag for the Flos but didn't. Ended up getting a lil tipsy off some strawberry moonshine @ the grow store. Lol.
Dunno why but these Flos are killing me. It starts as soon as they get cobbed.
Just feed them Cal-Mag @ 5ml. Last night.
The purpling makes me think they need more mag.

Hybridway said:

Yeah, just switched to H&G after a good flushin.
Using the RO & add Cal-Mag prior @ 3 ml a gall = 170 ppm. Was gonna but straight mag for the Flos but didn't. Ended up getting a lil tipsy off some strawberry moonshine @ the grow store. Lol.
Dunno why but these Flos are killing me. It starts as soon as they get cobbed.

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Okay try upping the cal mag to 4ml/gallon for a sec and forgget PPM's to see if we get it under control. I think it's a cal mag issue based on what I am seeing now but I get it with the QB's AND the COB's (Smo's lights)

I have been messing with the epsom salt and calcium supplement from nectar for the gods along with my ionic seems to be doing well, except for my GG#4 and I think this might be the issue for them like you're having with the flo's I am just seeing the same things, these are my two GG#4 cuts, I just defoliated yesterday but I think you can see how they're doing, the leaves feel a little dry and plastic type like an indoor fake plant lol and the stems are dark red..............



On the contrary here's my two SBA (cuts from the ones I chopped) and they're in the same medium (Tupur) and getting the same feeds:



I am seeing more cal mag related issues under the LED's than the HID, but also more in the Coco than I was in Soil........whether store bought or my no till mix. Just trying to help bro because it looks like we are dealing with the same thing with a specific strain.

Let me know your thoughts, this is how we learn brother

Never had this problem before.
Maybe it's cal-mag or mag.
Oil came back from last run. Fairly unstable, light n dark spots & only like 5-7%. Terrible.
So since I've switched to LEDs & a new location I've had to deal with Thrips & a touch of PM. They both don't get to take off cuz I use Plant dr. For PM & Capt. Jacks for the Thrips. As well as all cleaning precaution.
Last grow the bud came out weird, lacked luster & smell.
It has to be one of the 2 preventatives I'm using prior to flower & if that's the case, this grow will suck balls too.
I'm losing my shirt here guys.
My first 2 yrs growing under HPS @ the other opp, I had none of these problems.
I feel it's more the location & issues that cone w/ each place. Like WTF is a thrip doing in my garden when I've only dealt w/ an occasional spider mite. Easy enough.
Pm is the worst too, but I refuse to use Eagle 20 ever again even know o have a jug of it. So I turned to Orgaincide Plant Doctor. Which is supposedly all organic & shouldn't do anything but increase yield n flavor SUPPOSEDLY.
I have a feeling it's fucking my shit up from the inside out.
Read a study on Mono & Di-Potassium & from what I could gather is it only had a negative effect on p/k deficient plants. Not ones that have it as part of their feeding schedule.
Trying to figure out what is going wrong here when I killed it the first 2 yrs w/ close to no problems ever.
Doing all the same things I did then except better.
Like I said. The only differences now are the Plant Dr. & Capt. Jacks.
Before the only thing o ever treated my plants w/ was Apocalypse (neem).
Also, I'm under led now. But all trial runs (only 2 grows) they did good @ the other opp. W/o using these preventatives/eradicators.
So, can anyone tell me if the Plant Dr. Is fucking my shit up?????
http://www.yourplantdoctor.com/plant-doctor-systemic-fungicide/
Also, has anyone Seen negative effects from using Spynosin or Capt. Jacks Dead Bug?
http://www.bonide.com/products/garden-naturals/view/252/captain-jacks-deadbug-brew-conc
Any input from experience or a study would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks guys.
Can't keep going on like this.
My oil coming back crap was the last straw.
Used to get 15%-20% back on average of killa. Wtf.

Evil-Mobo said:

Okay try upping the cal mag to 4ml/gallon for a sec and forgget PPM's to see if we get it under control. I think it's a cal mag issue based on what I am seeing now but I get it with the QB's AND the COB's (Smo's lights)

I have been messing with the epsom salt and calcium supplement from nectar for the gods along with my ionic seems to be doing well, except for my GG#4 and I think this might be the issue for them like you're having with the flo's I am just seeing the same things, these are my two GG#4 cuts, I just defoliated yesterday but I think you can see how they're doing, the leaves feel a little dry and plastic type like an indoor fake plant lol and the stems are dark red..............

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On the contrary here's my two SBA (cuts from the ones I chopped) and they're in the same medium (Tupur) and getting the same feeds:

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I am seeing more cal mag related issues under the LED's than the HID, but also more in the Coco than I was in Soil........whether store bought or my no till mix. Just trying to help bro because it looks like we are dealing with the same thing with a specific strain.

Let me know your thoughts, this is how we learn brother

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My heads a spinning Evil. Just don't fuckin know anymore doggie.

I hope it's ok to drop a couple of pics in your thread mate, as it was you Hybridway that had me intrigued to try the pro 4 and 9 lights.

1st pic is under a pro 9 and a pro 4
2nd pic is under a pro 4 & Apache Tech at600

Strain is Fruity Chronic Juice

These lights bloody rock.

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I hope it's ok to drop a couple of pics in your thread mate, as it was you Hybridway that had me intrigued to try the pro 4 and 9 lights.

1st pic is under a pro 9 and a pro 4
2nd pic is under a pro 4 & Apache Tech at600

Strain is Fruity Chronic Juice

These lights bloody rock.

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Great work man! Of course I don't mind. Keep em coming.

Here's a couple plants with ~ 3 weeks left under an Amare SE 250. These will keep me going while the 2 under a P3 comes along

re STRAIN me said:

I hope it's ok to drop a couple of pics in your thread mate, as it was you Hybridway that had me intrigued to try the pro 4 and 9 lights.

1st pic is under a pro 9 and a pro 4
2nd pic is under a pro 4 & Apache Tech at600

Strain is Fruity Chronic Juice

These lights bloody rock.

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What are your thoughts on the Apache Tech vs Amare?

re STRAIN me said:

I hope it's ok to drop a couple of pics in your thread mate, as it was you Hybridway that had me intrigued to try the pro 4 and 9 lights.

1st pic is under a pro 9 and a pro 4
2nd pic is under a pro 4 & Apache Tech at600

Strain is Fruity Chronic Juice

These lights bloody rock.

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Your plants look nice mang! Looking like a nice yield there.
Glad to hear that you like your Amare's & that I may have helped.
Really wanna get somthing flowered under my Pro-9 too.
So many new strains out.
Next run will be GG#4 again. Hoping I got a decent cut. Also I got an OBB (original Blueberry) & a Sensi-Star. There's a nice Flo too but I don't know if I'll have the room for it. Maybe, if my Mini-Split gets installed.
I won't be hitting them w/ Plant Dr. Anymore. The veg was treated w/ it about 3 wks ago but from here on out they'll get Apocolypse only & hopefully the Phi (Plant Dr) will work its way out of their system.
Just praying these current flowering girls don't come out crappy. They're chugging along now. Looking happy n healthy so far.
I'll try to update pics tom.

Evil-Mobo said:

Okay try upping the cal mag to 4ml/gallon for a sec and forgget PPM's to see if we get it under control. I think it's a cal mag issue based on what I am seeing now but I get it with the QB's AND the COB's (Smo's lights)

I have been messing with the epsom salt and calcium supplement from nectar for the gods along with my ionic seems to be doing well, except for my GG#4 and I think this might be the issue for them like you're having with the flo's I am just seeing the same things, these are my two GG#4 cuts, I just defoliated yesterday but I think you can see how they're doing, the leaves feel a little dry and plastic type like an indoor fake plant lol and the stems are dark red..............

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On the contrary here's my two SBA (cuts from the ones I chopped) and they're in the same medium (Tupur) and getting the same feeds:

View attachment 3973149 View attachment 3973150

I am seeing more cal mag related issues under the LED's than the HID, but also more in the Coco than I was in Soil........whether store bought or my no till mix. Just trying to help bro because it looks like we are dealing with the same thing with a specific strain.

Let me know your thoughts, this is how we learn brother

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Thnx homie! Bumped my Cal-Mag to 5mls a few feeds then went down to 4. They're happy. The Magic Green Foliar made a difference too I feel. Going to hit them again w/ it this week. You should look into it. I'll lyk my thoughts about it after I've used it more. Gonna try it in the veg too & that's where I think I'll see the most noticeable changes.
My issues seamed to have been related to using the Plant Doctor as a PAS or Fungicide. Oh, it does work for that purpose but might be best used in early veg only, & I'm still not sure that's safe in protecting the final outcome.
Thanx for your input n help bro.
What's that Tupar medium stuff you're using?
I just made the switch to Pro-Mix myself. Got one flowering in it & my veg is in it too.
Thinking maybe I'll have better control over them using that instead of my usual Coco-Loco & Biotanicare Aeration mix.
That Coco-Loco is majority FF red bag soil

Hybridway said:

Thnx homie! Bumped my Cal-Mag to 5mls a few feeds then went down to 4. They're happy. The Magic Green Foliar made a difference too I feel. Going to hit them again w/ it this week. You should look into it. I'll lyk my thoughts about it after I've used it more. Gonna try it in the veg too & that's where I think I'll see the most noticeable changes.
My issues seamed to have been related to using the Plant Doctor as a PAS or Fungicide. Oh, it does work for that purpose but might be best used in early veg only, & I'm still not sure that's safe in protecting the final outcome.
Thanx for your input n help bro.
What's that Tupur medium stuff you're using?
I just made the switch to Pro-Mix myself. Got one flowering in it & my veg is in it too.
Thinking maybe I'll have better control over them using that instead of my usual Coco-Loco & Biotanicare Aeration mix.
That Coco-Loco is majority FF red bag soil

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I bought Botanicare Cal-Mag + and I'm @ 4ml/gallon and doing good over here too. Tupur is an organic coco based medium. I am REALLY liking it it's not cheap but man it's working my plants are starting to blow up out of control feels good to be more at the helm this run too with the nutes vs the organic no till.

This is the Tupur:
http://royalgoldcoco.com/soils/royal-gold/tupur-pid-3

I'm feeding twice a day right now to my #3's and the seedlings are what two weeks old if that lol. I thought with the other calcium only product and the epsom I would be fine but this stuff requires you go heavy on the cal and mag and they say so I just didn't think at this level. Anyways I'll be running nutes again for a while so was going to need the jug no biggie.

Just finished harvesting all the beans from my first breed run and the buds gonna weigh them in a bit and see how much the seeded plant gave me lol. FIRE AF smoke was not expecting this or for this much flower in jars. Got a TON of keeper seeds though. The next batch of autos is kicking into high gear and in the next week or less I will take cuts from my male chop him down (he's too big) and move the (2) GG#4 girls to the COB flower tent I think. I had a plan to do the same auto in both tents but three of the six beans were duds. So.......

You ever mess with the 630 CMH lights/bulbs?

Hope all is well

Evil-Mobo said:

I bought Botanicare Cal-Mag + and I'm @ 4ml/gallon and doing good over here too. Tupur is an organic coco based medium. I am REALLY liking it it's not cheap but man it's working my plants are starting to blow up out of control feels good to be more at the helm this run too with the nutes vs the organic no till.

This is the Tupur:
http://royalgoldcoco.com/soils/royal-gold/tupur-pid-3

I'm feeding twice a day right now to my #3's and the seedlings are what two weeks old if that lol. I thought with the other calcium only product and the epsom I would be fine but this stuff requires you go heavy on the cal and mag and they say so I just didn't think at this level. Anyways I'll be running nutes again for a while so was going to need the jug no biggie.

Just finished harvesting all the beans from my first breed run and the buds gonna weigh them in a bit and see how much the seeded plant gave me lol. FIRE AF smoke was not expecting this or for this much flower in jars. Got a TON of keeper seeds though. The next batch of autos is kicking into high gear and in the next week or less I will take cuts from my male chop him down (he's too big) and move the (2) GG#4 girls to the COB flower tent I think. I had a plan to do the same auto in both tents but three of the six beans were duds. So.......

You ever mess with the 630 CMH lights/bulbs?

Hope all is well

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That's the same Cal-Mag I use. This RO is tricky but I think I'm getting the hang of it.
Glad to hear you got what you wanted from your harvest. You work hard at learning so much & trying new things. You might be a smaller scale grower but you'll have aquired more knowledge then many of the big guys, which you might be surprised to find out many don't know much & will probably never touch of the subjects you've already experienced. Keep up the good work!
Breeding now too.
I've never used CMH at all actually. Just a few diff MH's before switching to led. From what I read awhile back, they made the 630 before the 315's but they kept blowing out early or something wasn't right about them. Maybe they've fixed the issue & if so, I bet they're killer.
You thinking of taking that journey? I doubt you'll be disappointed. I wonder if 2, 315's or a 630 runs any cooler then a 600 HPS.
I believe every light source to be approx as hot as the next know matter what they say.
It's the amount of light you get per watt that makes the difference & if 1/2 of it is hitting the walls or your plants.
Really contemplating switching things up in my grow & going w/ much smaller plants & lenses. That way they don't have as much time to get any issues in a veg room that's not as controlled as the flower room, more colas, better health, possibly leading to greater yields per sq'.
Got 3 lil AoS going & they look healthier to me then the big one they're next to.
But again, I can't really judge anything till I get a run in that hasn't been contaminated w/ possible phytotoxicity from the phosphite in Plant Dr. I see diff sighns of it on each strain as each one metabolizes it in its own way & some handle it better then others.
Wish I knew the secret to using it. Like maybe early veg only. But I can't really tinker around w/ this size grow to find out. Gonna have to run some experiments eventually.
Just wish solid answers were available pertaining to systemic preventatives in regards to cannabis. From my last 2 runs I have determined they just aren't safe either for our consumption or for the outcome of our flowers depending on what's used.
Guess I need to work on my veg environment & surrounding area at this place. Can't get much cleaner.
Even know I rarely see a problem, I know the possibility exists & if it pops then it spreads like wild fire. That's just some scary shit.