My Experience with Vaporizers-Not Too Good

juleswinnfield said:

ya man i know what your saying,

your just not gonna change anyone's mind when they're already set on something so i'd just leave it, and not take it personally.

I just didn't feel like watching this thread turn into another bickerfest man

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I'm not here to change anyones mind, I'm just not gonna let him say that vaping didn't cause it when it did, take it as you will.

I'm not dogging vapes, I"m just saying they're not for EVERYONE.

Heres the moral of the story kids.....you dont like your vape? Sell it.

Meanwhile...the rest of us will be getting high off of ours.

I agree with the OP that my vape never...EVER has gotten me "stoned" I get pretty high....but one rip off a big bong and im gone.

As far as vaping cause pneumonia or bronchitis, sick or not, I think that theory is DOA. I just cant believe in 60 years not one other person has related the act of vaping to causing those sicknesses, even in time of sickness.

In fact, most doctors tell you to vape while sick, if your going to smoke at all.

look I'm not saying it caused it... I'm saying in my particular situation it catalyzed into bronchitis and pneumonia whereas smoking never did that to me. take it as you will, I have a feeling this was a situation unique to my own body and problably isn't a common experience so most people probably can vape through a cold without having the same thing that happened to me happen....

but in my situation there is no doubt that vaping catalyzed with my cold to cause the bronchitis which then caused the pneumonia...

pylon89 said:

I dunno about you but I feel like the roor packs a much bigger punch

My vape takes a while to get me high, I have to sit around it for about 5 minutes until I start feeling really baked, it is a different high from my bong but it seems to wear off quicker

I want to try a bag vape, seems like a would prefer them to the whip

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COmpared to how long herb takes to grow, I'd say thats time well spent.

Quality Bongs get you much higher then vapes, unless you put like a 6 foot plus bag on the volcano and take it all to yourself. The reason is simple, and somewhat talked about before, when you smoke you get a much larger hit and burn a lot more herb. So, although the smoke doesn't have as much concentrated thc as vapor does, you get much more because the size of the hit and amount of weed burned. I will take this belief to my grave, I've used multiple vaporizers and hit some of the best bongs there are, and never once did I get the feeling off a vape, compared to a clean high end bong with some medical grade bud in the bowl, I'll begin to sweat and become completely numb off one hit, I'd really have to hit all of my volcano with the 6 foot bag to get feeling close to it, but still not nearly as intense.

thanks Jhopkins and poplars for reaffirming my beliefs on this . Ive never had a good quality bong before ,so I should look into that as well.

jhopkins34 said:

Quality Bongs get you much higher then vapes, unless you put like a 6 foot plus bag on the volcano and take it all to yourself. The reason is simple, and somewhat talked about before, when you smoke you get a much larger hit and burn a lot more herb. So, although the smoke doesn't have as much concentrated thc as vapor does, you get much more because the size of the hit and amount of weed burned. I will take this belief to my grave, I've used multiple vaporizers and hit some of the best bongs there are, and never once did I get the feeling off a vape, compared to a clean high end bong with some medical grade bud in the bowl, I'll begin to sweat and become completely numb off one hit, I'd really have to hit all of my volcano with the 6 foot bag to get feeling close to it, but still not nearly as intense.

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Yea that's how I've always felt, that's one of the reasons I don't like the whip vape because it doesn't feel like your taking that much of a big hit

I still like my vape and use it a lot but if I want to get completely baked I bring out my fairmaster lol

pylon89 said:

I dunno about you but I feel like the roor packs a much bigger punch

My vape takes a while to get me high, I have to sit around it for about 5 minutes until I start feeling really baked, it is a different high from my bong but it seems to wear off quicker

I want to try a bag vape, seems like a would prefer them to the whip

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yeah i like sitting on bags, i couldnt imagine hitting it straight from a whip with hot vapor

first dude, chill. You should know me. I like a good argument not because it strokes ego but its a good brain exercise. So chilllllllllll in the end its the internet, and in the end you probably wont change anyones opinions.. just like I probably wont change yours, and thats ok.

poplars said:

yes I can bro.


you're acting like I"m some stupid newb who just randomly got bronchitis one day and blamed it on the vaporizer, which I find pretty fuckin offensive bro. just because you LOVE vapes doesn't mean they're 100% healthy for you.

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No bro, I respect you. I'm not bitching at you, I tried to induce conversation in the most non confrontational way possible

I was coughing out EVERY hit while I was sick, the vape is 100% the reason I got bronchitis then pneumonia. I"ve smoked through colds SEVERAL times without this EVER h appening so yes. it was the vaporizer,don't even try and convince me it wasnt.

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seriously bro, just because you're a vaporizing elitist doesn't mean it's the best thing on fucking earth with NO drawbacks whatsoever. if you're inhaling something other than AIR AND WATER it will fuck with somebodys lungs out there. just because it doeosn't fuck with yours doesn't mean you can say it didn't fuck with mine, now kindly fuck off with this bullshit, this is like the 3rd time you've tried to say that it wasn't the vaporizer when there is NOTHING ELSE IT COULD HAVE POSSIBLY BEEN.

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LOL i'm not a vaporizing elitist, but I had thought you were before as in ONLY vape. I still smoke up on my bong, i still burn jays every day, with the occasional blunt and I love it... but in the end of the day i put out my opinion that if I HAD to choose one it'd be the vape.

I mean dude I had never had bronchitis in my entire life before that happened, I hadn't had pneumonia since I was 4 years old... I've been sick several times with the same kind of cold and smoked through it wihtout developing bronchitis or pneumonia. you're a fool if you think the vaporizer is so great that you can vape through a cold and not fuck it up worse.

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This statement I have to focus on a little bit more..

Okay, so you've NEVER had a cold develop into bronchitis. At least NEVER before vaporizing. So your conclusion is that vaporizing is the SOLE reason you got bronchitis. NOTHING else had a hand in giving you bronchitis, yes?

People other than pot heads and cigarette smokers get bronchitis and pneumonia after a cold. They have been getting bronchitis since forever. Bronchitis is not NEW like vaporizing.

>>>> Well what gives everyone else bronchitis? WHY is it not even in the realm of possibility that YOU contracted bronchitis because of the SAME reasons EVERYONE else does? Why are YOU the special one who is 100% immune to bronchitis and pneumonia UNLESS your vaporizing??

/\ that is my main argument



To quote you,

if you're inhaling something other than AIR AND WATER it will fuck with somebodys lungs out there.

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So whats the difference between smoke and vapor? What makes smoke including tar better on the lungs than a vaporizer?

Do you think its logical to say that SMOKING and could induce bronchitis that brings on pneumonia too?

you're a fool if you think the vaporizer is so great that you can vape through a cold and not fuck it up worse.

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I don't believe I ever said that, I just said how can you be 100% sure that the vaporizer was the cause of it. I said that there are MANY things that cause a cold to develop into bronchitis

the way I see it is this, smoking 6000 years, vaporizing less than 30. our body is obviously better adapted for one than the other, and to try to act like that isn't the case is pure foolishness.

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Has every single human being that has existed in the last 6000 years smoked? I dont think so.




It's my recollection that static environmental conditions induce evolution. And when there is a mutation in the DNA, it either helps the animal live, or it doesnt. The animals that get these mutations, and go onto reproduce carry on the mutation and the species eventually evolves.














Here is a direct quote from CANORML, do you believe in THAT organizations work? If you do then the below may suprise you? Or you can just choose to not believe it. Which is fine, because everyone is entitled to an opinion unless its something like refusing to believe the earth is round.. check the bold.

CANORML said:

ike tobacco, marijuana smoke contains toxins that are known to be hazardous to the respiratory system. Among them are the highly carcinogenic polynuclear aromatic hydrocarbons, a prime suspect in cigarette-related cancers. These toxins are essentially a byproduct of combustion, separate from the pharmaceutically active components of marijuana, known as cannabinoids, which include THC. Although there is no proof that marijuana smoking causes cancer, chronic pot smokers have been shown to suffer an elevated risk of bronchitis and respiratory infections. Respiratory disease due to smoking may therefore rightly be regarded as the primary physiological hazard of marijuana. Cannabis vaporizers are designed to let users inhale active cannabinoids while avoiding harmful smoke toxins. They do so by heating cannabis to a temperature of 180 - 200° C (356° - 392° F), just below the point of combustion where smoke is produced. At this point, THC and other medically active cannabinoids are emitted with little or none of the carcinogenic tars and noxious gases found in smoke. Many medical marijuana patients who find smoked marijuana highly irritating report effective relief inhaling through vaporizers. Users who are concerned about the respiratory hazards of smoking are strongly advised to use vaporizers. Alternative devices, such as waterpipes, have been shown to be ineffective at reducing the tars in marijuana smoke

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source: http://www.canorml.org/healthfacts/vaporizers.html

Users who are concerned about the respiratory hazards of smoking are strongly advised to use vaporizers.

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It seems like myself and CANORML agree on that basic point..



















You can argue your point of evolution all day. I can't proove that your wrong, evolution is shaky ground and there is no "definitive proof" of evolution. Just like abortion isn't wrong or right, EVERYONE has an opinion.








But - In the end it seems to me that the only difference in a vaporizer VS smoking is this:

1. A vaporizer produces the cannabinoids into a vapor, by heating the herbs just BELOW combustion.

2. A bong burns the cannabis, which releases the SAME cannabinoids into a mix of burned plant matter/tar.





I see NO other difference, besides other shit in smoke (like tar) that couldn't POSSIBLY help your lungs




With all that said poplars, I truly enjoy our conversations. I wouldn't be pondering the idea you proposed unless you came out and said it.

Understand I don't want to be hostile, I like you, you grow some good weed and bring some good knowledge to the forum

I hope we can continue this in a chlled out manner

pass the j to poplars

I tried a vaporizer like a dozen years ago and I was already ripped so I couldn't tell the difference. I'd like to try one again sometime though. =)

Take a step back homie, and imagine myself as you. As we BOTH are essentially saying the same thing about X and Y, just the idea is flipped. Check it below to see what I'm getting at

poplars said:

I'm not here to change anyones mind, I'm just not gonna let him say that vaping didn't cause it when it did, take it as you will.

I'm not dogging vapes, I"m just saying they're not for EVERYONE.

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You say your not here to change anyones mind, nor am I. I am just trying to get out the information that is my opinion so people that see this thread can see both sides.

Each time you say that vaping gave you bronchitis, I feel the need to post the other side. Just as when I state my opinion, you feel the need to also add your opinion to the conversation.

Just like you say your not dogging vapes, and your saying there not for everyone... I am over here saying im not dogging smoking, just saying smoking isn't for everyone.

poplars said:

1. man this is the second time at minimum he's tried to tell me the vape wasn't the problem, when there is absolutely nothing else it could possibly be.

2. vaporizers are great, its just fucking RETARDED to believe that it's good for everyone. I"m just sayin'

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I could say this:

1. Man this is the second time he has said that theres no way he contracted bronchitis from ANYTHING else. People get colds evolved into bronchitis even if they don't smoke OR vape. People getting bronchitis after a cold happens ALL the time.

2. Smoking is GREAT its just retarded to think that smoking is for everyone

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Sr. Verde said:

You can argue your point of evolution all day. I can't proove that your wrong, evolution is shaky ground and there is no "definitive proof" of evolution. Just like abortion isn't wrong or right, EVERYONE has an opinion.

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Christian Apologist Ravi Zacharias tells a story of a conversation he had with an atheist about the question of evil. The man was convinced that evil did not exist; it was merely a tool society had created to control our culture. He claimed that society had no right to impose standards on anyone. Ravi countered by asking him if a person should then be free to cut a tiny child into small pieces. The man claimed that while he wouldn't like it, he could find no compelling reason to say such behavior was wrong. By his own admission, this man had felt inside himself a revulsion regarding such an act. Where did this revulsion come from?
Evil is not a created "thing" but the absence of a thing. Consider the issue of light. Black is not a thing; it is the absence of light. Light is a thing, made up of particles or waves. Take away the created 'thing' and the result is black: nothing. Evil, then, is not a created thing, but the absence of good.

ANC, if we know the speed of light is 299,792,458 meters per second, then what is the speed of dark?


no but really, I'm not going to lie: I'm not 100% sure of what your metaphorically relating 'good' and 'evil' to in that.

I do believe in the theory of evolution, but I do accept that it is scientifically a theory.. just like the theory of the Big Bang and the theory of quantum mechanics. Yes it's extremely easy to believe that the theories are true, but it's not currently possible to proove it beyond a doubt yet, as I believe there is still a 'missing link'




Note: This post is not a part of my stand point on the smoke vs. vape... I am simply stating my beliefs to ANC

Actualy there is no constant speed of light, it moves at diffirent speeds in other parts of the universe, people even managed to slow it down etc...

Also there where probably multiple bangs, the missing link is the most beautifull and simple, belief.

ANC said:

Actualy there is no constant speed of light, it moves at diffirent speeds in other parts of the universe, people even managed to slow it down etc...

Also there where probably multiple bangs, the missing link is the most beautifull and simple, belief.

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I'm aware of the former

The measurement for the 'speed of light' was done under room temperature conditions I'd imagine.

I believe that as you approach absolute zero on the kelivin scale that time itself slows down... and different temps in the universe would account for that.. just as we have a 'speed of sound' the specific speed depends on the air the object is traveling in.

In experiments closer to room temperature, chemical reactions tend to slow down as the temperature decreases. But scientists found that molecules at frigid temperatures just a few hundred billionths of a degree above absolute zero (−273.15°C or 0 kelvin) can still exchange atoms, forging new chemical bonds in the process, thanks to weird quantum effects that extend their reach at low temperatures.
"It's perfectly reasonable to expect that when you go to the ultra-cold regime there would be no chemistry to speak of," says Deborah Jin from the University of Colorado in Boulder,

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now back on track.. what were you talking about with the 'good' and 'evil' paragraph?

ERm, you said something about there not being a good or bad, which I may have misconstrued.

poplars said:

look I'm not saying it caused it... I'm saying in my particular situation it catalyzed into bronchitis and pneumonia whereas smoking never did that to me. take it as you will, I have a feeling this was a situation unique to my own body and problably isn't a common experience so most people probably can vape through a cold without having the same thing that happened to me happen....

but in my situation there is no doubt that vaping catalyzed with my cold to cause the bronchitis which then caused the pneumonia...

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pneumonia is caused by bacterial infection...your vape didnt do it. Bronchitis could be viral or bacterial as well, you vape didnt do it

dam612 said:

pneumonia is caused by bacterial infection...your vape didnt do it. Bronchitis could be viral or bacterial as well, you vape didnt do it

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vaping while I had a respratory infection made me MUCH MORE susceptable to bronchitis which turned into pneumonia... I don't get why everyone is so hell bent on saying this didn't cause this, when I would have just had a normal cold if I didn't vape..

regardless I'm not gona post again in this thread, I've said my piece.

Stoner.Barbie said:

i loooooove my vape, it hits me like 5 times harder than a bowl or joint. it does not bother my throat or make me cough either. which i love. if you got sick off of doping a vape hit then you could have had some really crap weed that may have had some mole in it or something. nothing say sick like mold spores in your lungs. its also better for you cause then your not getting the carcinogens from the burning plant matter. IMO

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just to clarify I grow my own bud and cleanly at that... there was nothing out of the ordinary as far as vaping that catalyzed with my sickness.. certain people just can't push it too hard on the vape while sick, is that NOT logical?