My first class with the golden teacher

I fear I am making a mistake here - I am giving you too much information and making it seem too hard - it isn't, your species of mushooom will grow in spite of mistakes save contamination - this mushroom will grow almost anywhere in almost any condition on almost any substrate from dog food to straw from horse manure to compost. you will get fruit in bright light, you will even get fruit in darkness (though they will have very long stems and very small caps). What I am telling you is just with an eye toward perfection

The Japanese perfected a bottle method of growing enoke mushrooms. Enoke grow extended stems in the absence of light and small caps. The Japanese innoculate grain in a plastic quart or half gallon jar. After the grain has been colonized within the jar they sprinkle casing on top of the grain within the jar, about half an inch. they then put a baggie on the top of the jar and it makes it's own little fruiting chamber. They remove the baggie once a day and mist the surface within the jar, the baggie is not too tight and so there is enough air circulation. Once the pinning starts they don't worry about the baggie any more and spray lightly 4 times a day.



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Liston to the man canndo. he know his mushrooms subbed up tho pretty excited ill throw some of my pics up here when i got some have some growing right now so you can what canndo speaks of. popcorn is so much easier and better than PF, of course my last run with PF cakes was years ago, and ive started fresh recently with popcorn, but so far so good, now i need to get a handle on processing my STRW and ill be in business.

pretty simple tho, sterile popcorn, innoc,(1day), incubate(2weeks), inoc tub(5min), incubate tub (2 weeks), fruit (2 weeks)

to put that in relative terms you could fruit as many jars as you wanted in that time period but the tub full at one time would always beat the PF tek in terms or production.

if you really wanted to take full advantage of what PF tek emulates(the idea is more area get FAE), you would innoc big straw cylinders with spawn and fruit one colonized on racks, you see this alot for edible mushroom grows.

anyways subbed up, ill get a chance to read this essay later, proofread, and perhaps simplify what i can.

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is that a rye berry or whatever?

also,i need this op to be as low maintenance as possible. i cant mist 4 times a day or give fae 3-4 times a day its just not going to happen as they wont be in my home. (my wife said no fucking way)

so i need to make this as simple and easily maintainable as possible. maintenance once a day is about all i can do.

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anyways subbed up, ill get a chance to read this essay later, proofread, and perhaps simplify what i can.

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Poly, glad to have you here m8. the essay isnt really anything great just explains what i have bought and what i thought i was going to be doing. cando has kinda made me do a 180 on my original thoughts. but thats why we journal because we seek the wisdome of the wiser.

RetiredMatthebrute said:

is that a rye berry or whatever?

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That sir, is one ounce of the most wonderful sclerotial expression of marvel in the world - it is a black truffle, worth about 40 dollars wholesale. I posted it just because. It was a dream of mine to domesticate the black truffle. Um... if you want, you can grow psychoactive truffles with far less effort and at far less expense than what you currently intend - but this one is only for shaving over home made pasta and rich creamery unsalted butter (Irish butter) and a touch of aged parmisano regiano - oh, and a little bit of fresh ground pepper.

RetiredMatthebrute said:

also,i need this op to be as low maintenance as possible. i cant mist 4 times a day or give fae 3-4 times a day its just not going to happen as they wont be in my home. (my wife said no fucking way)

so i need to make this as simple and easily maintainable as possible. maintenance once a day is about all i can do.

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Consider sclerotia. oh, one more thing, do you or your wife suffer from cluster or migrane headaches? I got my wife to welcome my "hobby" when it was psychoactive because I cured her migranes permanently with a few doses of mushrooms.

low maintenance? is easy make a tub with one of those 10$ air pumps ad water and perlite to the bottom of tub, place air stone from pump in there( i h2o2 to the water when i first introduce colonized tubs, jars cakes into it) 3 or 4 holes in the top filled with poly or tyvek, something that will allow it to breath, positive pressure from the air added from air pump. get your basic 3 dollar extension cord a 9w flouro bulb 5000k, and a hole drill 1 1/4" to fit the bulb adapter thru
http://www.lowes.com/pd_72577-334-738V-SP-L_4294722558__?productId=1099209&Ns=p_product_avg_rating|1&pl=1&currentURL=?Ns=p_product_avg_rating|1&facetInfo= to

(this way will allow you to daisy chain more tubs should you choose)


you have to think though in mushroom talk bulk is a relative term, you can do a "bulk" grow inside of a 4"x4" tupperware, its more a method of growing, where you take your spawn and innoc a pasteurized substrate in order to grow the mushrooms in a bed, you could do "bulks" in all kinds of container, half of a gallon bad, a little tupperware from sliced turkey a pot ect. size isnt relevant just a style. why people do bigger bulks is for obvious reasons but also to get larger more natural forming mushrooms, depth of substrate is integral to this.

ill get some pics of my setup for you its pretty simple and i never fan or mist. and my old thread tells the story.

and really mushrooms are the last thing i could see getting caught for. dump everthing into a solution of bleach, equip right inside the totes and formed mushrooms down the drain. i could clean up my mushroom grow in 2min probably. if you grow edibles they would probably never even know.

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is that a rye berry or whatever?

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Another thing - I know you have limited resources- I worry that you will have trouble if you are not growing in your home and don't have instant and constant access to your grow but if you can pony up a few dollars, purchase Paul Stamet's books on the subject. Paul Stamets is a God, I am just a poor oaf compared to him. He is a pioneer I had the good fortune to know many many years ago when we were all beginning this endeavor - he took it to the extreme and has discovered micoremediation, he can kill carpenter ants with fungus (eliminating the need for pesticides), he can clean oil saturated soil with mushrooms, he can decompose chemical weapons with oyster mushrooms, he can filter bad water with colonized wheat straw and he might just inspire you as he did me. Oh, and you should see what his soil additions will do for your plants.

ill have to check that out. i heard about the mushroom that can decompose oil, i though that was awesome.

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low maintenance? is easy make a tub with one of those 10$ air pumps ad water and perlite to the bottom of tub, place air stone from pump in there( i h2o2 to the water when i first introduce colonized tubs, jars cakes into it) 3 or 4 holes in the top filled with poly or tyvek, something that will allow it to breath, positive pressure from the air added from air pump. get your basic 3 dollar extension cord a 9w flouro bulb 5000k, and a hole drill 1 1/4" to fit the bulb adapter thru
http://www.lowes.com/pd_72577-334-738V-SP-L_4294722558__?productId=1099209&Ns=p_product_avg_rating|1&pl=1&currentURL=%3FNs%3Dp_product_avg_rating%7C1&facetInfo= to

(this way will allow you to daisy chain more tubs should you choose)


you have to think though in mushroom talk bulk is a relative term, you can do a "bulk" grow inside of a 4"x4" tupperware, its more a method of growing, where you take your spawn and innoc a pasteurized substrate in order to grow the mushrooms in a bed, you could do "bulks" in all kinds of container, half of a gallon bad, a little tupperware from sliced turkey a pot ect. size isnt relevant just a style. why people do bigger bulks is for obvious reasons but also to get larger more natural forming mushrooms, depth of substrate is integral to this.

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Follow poly's lead on humidification systems, the standard soak the pearlite thing is far inferior.


Here is my shaggy mane humidification, air exchange system, it could be used for any grow, you can change the rate of humidification from 80 - 100 percent by dialing in the dry mist humidifiers.



Note the gang valves at the top - each is connected to a flexible plastic tube that can be put into a large bin, within that bin are smaller, modular bins that hold the substrate. Shaggy manes demand very specific rh parameters (I am still looking for the perfect one) I posted some pics of my shaggy mane crop some time ago and frankly it was pitiful but I am sure that I can work out the details - eventually.

Anyway, if you can perfect something along the lines of what I have you will be well served - for any mycological endeavor. You needn't have such a large air pump and you can do it with a fogger - those little ultrsonic things, you can put that in water and use a cheap 10 dollar aquarium pump to pressurize the initial water container and pipe plenum fresh air into your grow. Remember optimum is 2 to 4 exchanges per hour. Figure the size of your pump and the size of your fruiting chamber. If your pump will do four gallons of air an hour then you can support a one gallon fruiting chamber. (subtract the size of your substrate container).

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Hey retired glad I came across this I look forward to seeing how it goes for ya man.


I"m gonna have to look into one of those books. I have been in love with mushrooms for the last 9 years or so now. I spent about 5-6 months growing them a few years back with great success I felt. Its all in the first 30 pages of my journal. I was running Wild bird seed, and doing casings in lasagna trays. I used a water diffused air system to avoid needing to fan them and open the chamber more then necessary. I had filter patches on the sides of my fruiting chamber and the air pump forced fresh air in which pushed out the co2. I was mixing my casings 50% colonized WBS, and 50% sterilized vermiculite. Let them colonize for a few days then case the top with more verm just before fruiting I completely agree they can teach us all more then we know. I think mushrooms are something that most people should try at least once to open their minds. I felt like my eyes were opened to the world after the first time I ate mushrooms, and each time since they have taught me so much about myself, and life. Any way good luck with this, if you got any questions I'll be around but it seems like canndo has many more years of experience here.

Poly uses a 9 watt fluro. Careful with your lighting, it will introduce heat that you have to provide for, your crop does not need much light, but the light you give it should be across the entire growing field, if not you will have mushrooms that bend to the diminished source. Your fruit will be elongated and your caps will be small. um.... I checked, the elongated fruit weighs no more than normal fruit - so don't bother looking for extra weight through light maniuplation.


Mushroom fruit start as primordia - little mycelial knots that turn into tiny pinheads. They will grow somewhat slower than they do at the end, the reason for this is that to a certain point the cells actually accumulate within the fruit, at a later stage the cells simply expand - you will see something wonderful, you will see your fruit grow before your eyes but the weight will not really increase after a certain point.

(really, you can look, go down to get yourself a beer and half an hour look again and you will see your crop larger, noticibly so).


This is why for the most part you want to harvest just before the veils break, in actuality, your weight will not be much different nor your potency changed after a certain point before the caps even being to open but, well, it is too much fun to watch them continue to grow. in the pics you saw you will see that I waited far too long to harvest. The spores can actually be dangerous to your health and at a certain level you will see vast accumulations of them everywhere. Oyster mushrooms can cause respratory problems and I have had to wash down the walls of my house because of what must surely have been several ounces of oyster spores.


BTW you don't have that problem with shaggies as shaggies autodigest, they turn to slime and the slime captures the spores making a black sticky mess.

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Hey retired glad I came across this I look forward to seeing how it goes for ya man.


I"m gonna have to look into one of those books. I have been in love with mushrooms for the last 9 years or so now. I spent about 5-6 months growing them a few years back with great success I felt. Its all in the first 30 pages of my journal. I was running Wild bird seed, and doing casings in lasagna trays. I used a water diffused air system to avoid needing to fan them and open the chamber more then necessary. I had filter patches on the sides of my fruiting chamber and the air pump forced fresh air in which pushed out the co2. I was mixing my casings 50% colonized WBS, and 50% sterilized vermiculite. Let them colonize for a few days then case the top with more verm just before fruiting I completely agree they can teach us all more then we know. I think mushrooms are something that most people should try at least once to open their minds. I felt like my eyes were opened to the world after the first time I ate mushrooms, and each time since they have taught me so much about myself, and life. Any way good luck with this, if you got any questions I'll be around but it seems like canndo has many more years of experience here.

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No no, everyone has something to add, everyone but those who are stuck in their opinions - I try hard not to be one of those although sometimes I do get opinionated beyond reason. Still, my opinion of PF tek is I believe a proper one. Please, no PF tek, it is counter productive if you want to learn the ways of the dark side of nature. BTW nice flush you have there, must have been a fine time harvesting. That is both the happiest and the saddest time I have, harvesting, on the one hand I have proven to myself that I did the right things, on the other, the trip is over (except for the other flushes of course) and that makes me a little sad as well.

Mushrooms are a portal to the places that pot will not take you - neither growing nor ingesting, I believe that we need both in order to understand nature (as much as we are able anyway). Of course pot is a portal to places that mushrooms cannot take you as well.

canndo said:

Consider sclerotia. oh, one more thing, do you or your wife suffer from cluster or migrane headaches? I got my wife to welcome my "hobby" when it was psychoactive because I cured her migranes permanently with a few doses of mushrooms.

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she suffers from a migrane, his name is Matt

Thundercat said:

Hey retired glad I came across this I look forward to seeing how it goes for ya man.


I"m gonna have to look into one of those books. I have been in love with mushrooms for the last 9 years or so now. I spent about 5-6 months growing them a few years back with great success I felt. Its all in the first 30 pages of my journal. I was running Wild bird seed, and doing casings in lasagna trays. I used a water diffused air system to avoid needing to fan them and open the chamber more then necessary. I had filter patches on the sides of my fruiting chamber and the air pump forced fresh air in which pushed out the co2. I was mixing my casings 50% colonized WBS, and 50% sterilized vermiculite. Let them colonize for a few days then case the top with more verm just before fruiting I completely agree they can teach us all more then we know. I think mushrooms are something that most people should try at least once to open their minds. I felt like my eyes were opened to the world after the first time I ate mushrooms, and each time since they have taught me so much about myself, and life. Any way good luck with this, if you got any questions I'll be around but it seems like canndo has many more years of experience here.

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hey TC glad to have ya along, so much to learn and experience. im going to look into a humidifier and i already have a air pump.

would something like this work?