My Growitup Greenhouse Grow 2010

BooMeR242 said:

its def a lot of info but u know me; mr. ramble. haha

the filter should be cool. ure outdoors with a buffer so the plants wont trip too hard on a couple hundred ppms. jw about ur water temps cuz u know the importance of cold/cool water. my rez gets hot indoors as is with the room temp of 85. i could only imagine wat the water temp will be when its a hundie plus outdoors. ure greenhouse is more dialed then most indoor grows i see on here lol. so it wouldnt surprise me if u were throwin in a chiller. idk if itd really matter cuz i used straight tap water for my bitches and a homemade tea not knowin wtf i was really doin and they still produced just over a pound each.

for the heigth issue im sure u could just FIM all them and let the tops split and side growth shoot out and up to even the canopy with multiple colas. theyre still in veg and have enough time to recover and still grow bak strong before flower. i vegged for months outdoors cuz i wanted huge plants but i wouldve rather vegged for like 2 months instead of 3 months. it was sativa dom anyways so i guess itll depend which strain is dominant.

but im thinkin maybe FIM now let it recover and supercrop the top main shoot to allow the side shoots to catch up and even out the canopy. maybe dont fim and just supercrop? if anything it will strentghen the main stalk when it heals (fatty knuckle stem) and will support itself better.

wat were u gonna do for flwoer support?

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I would recommend http://www.discount-hydro.com/productdisp.php?pid=475&navid=14 for flower support, love them!

Someguy15 said:

I would recommend http://www.discount-hydro.com/productdisp.php?pid=475&navid=14 for flower support, love them!

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Just a funny. No disrespect implied or intended. But I'm imagining a giant chaotic spiderweb with the number plants involved. "Honey! Get the shears, will ya!? I tripped and fell into those damn yo-yo's and I'm REALLY stuck!"

Cages tend to work better with trees but I have to admit you do have a ceiling to tie off from so that is more of what appeals to you. Support is needed though.

If you are going to top out some plants you may want to get on that. You are going to get stretch of course during flowering to some degree and no sense battling with it at the last minute or having to clip during flowering. Especially if you have a temp drop to work from to help reduce shock right now. We're just beyond solstice and all that too. Lots of lore on when is best with the outdoor but right after matches many of the indoor flip schedules really. I've only had to top a few outdoor sativas just to make them easier to work with and never really thought about it. Just whacked em when they got too tall. So much easier to think about it and not use your gut over the Internet.

I would also consider leaving one non sativa dominant alone and untrained for the most part just to gauge the difference. Each micro climate is different outdoors, and quasi outdoor especially. It's a good tool for seeing what's what in my experience. That is of course, space and whimsy allowing. And totally just a suggestion. No implied "you should do this or you're an idiot" stuff here.

Still enjoying this virtual greenhouse immensely. Thanks, once again, for sharing.

BooMeR242 said:

its def a lot of info but u know me; mr. ramble. haha

the filter should be cool. ure outdoors with a buffer so the plants wont trip too hard on a couple hundred ppms. jw about ur water temps cuz u know the importance of cold/cool water. my rez gets hot indoors as is with the room temp of 85. i could only imagine wat the water temp will be when its a hundie plus outdoors. ure greenhouse is more dialed then most indoor grows i see on here lol. so it wouldnt surprise me if u were throwin in a chiller. idk if itd really matter cuz i used straight tap water for my bitches and a homemade tea not knowin wtf i was really doin and they still produced just over a pound each.

for the heigth issue im sure u could just FIM all them and let the tops split and side growth shoot out and up to even the canopy with multiple colas. theyre still in veg and have enough time to recover and still grow bak strong before flower. i vegged for months outdoors cuz i wanted huge plants but i wouldve rather vegged for like 2 months instead of 3 months. it was sativa dom anyways so i guess itll depend which strain is dominant.

but im thinkin maybe FIM now let it recover and supercrop the top main shoot to allow the side shoots to catch up and even out the canopy. maybe dont fim and just supercrop? if anything it will strentghen the main stalk when it heals (fatty knuckle stem) and will support itself better.

wat were u gonna do for flwoer support?

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I dig the ramble, you can ramble on all ya want in my journal.

The res gets refilled twice a day from cold tap water thats gone through the filter so it dont have time to heat up much. But you are right, I do check the temp and its been cool enough. If it isn't I can just drain it out and fill it with cold water, only takes 3 min to fill up again. I do have a chiller I can use if I need it.

So you think I will be fine topping at this point, cool. I think Ill go ahead and clip about a foot off the tall one and try and fim the blueberry.
What do you think of the Kush strains, I dont think I need to do anything with them its just the two big ones, blue cheese and blue berry.

For flower supports I got all those exposed 2x4's man. Im gonna tie to those. I was thinking about running poultry fence all along the inside walls. Tacking it to the 2x4's and giving me several more tie points but also keeping the buds off the walls where they can heat up. Give me a couple go's at this and I will have the whole dam thing screened. LOL.

Someguy15 said:

I would recommend http://www.discount-hydro.com/productdisp.php?pid=475&navid=14 for flower support, love them!

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Thanks for the link guy, They got some good stuff but Im gonna pass on the yo yo's

psari said:

Just a funny. No disrespect implied or intended. But I'm imagining a giant chaotic spiderweb with the number plants involved. "Honey! Get the shears, will ya!? I tripped and fell into those damn yo-yo's and I'm REALLY stuck!"

Cages tend to work better with trees but I have to admit you do have a ceiling to tie off from so that is more of what appeals to you. Support is needed though.

If you are going to top out some plants you may want to get on that. You are going to get stretch of course during flowering to some degree and no sense battling with it at the last minute or having to clip during flowering. Especially if you have a temp drop to work from to help reduce shock right now. We're just beyond solstice and all that too. Lots of lore on when is best with the outdoor but right after matches many of the indoor flip schedules really. I've only had to top a few outdoor sativas just to make them easier to work with and never really thought about it. Just whacked em when they got too tall. So much easier to think about it and not use your gut over the Internet.

I would also consider leaving one non sativa dominant alone and untrained for the most part just to gauge the difference. Each micro climate is different outdoors, and quasi outdoor especially. It's a good tool for seeing what's what in my experience. That is of course, space and whimsy allowing. And totally just a suggestion. No implied "you should do this or you're an idiot" stuff here.

Still enjoying this virtual greenhouse immensely. Thanks, once again, for sharing.

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Thanks Psari, thats some good info.
I dont know if you checked out my previous grows but I'm an indoor hydro grower. This three month veg thing is a lot of time for me. I knew we just went through our solstice and was wondering if I was too late. Sounds like I'm right on the money.

As far as plant support you are correct in assuming I will tie to the frame. It just may be a spiderweb but no yo yo's... safer that way, "honey I've fallen and I cant get up" Shit, I would never hear the end of it.


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dam cruzer those are going to be monster bud cant wait to see them in full flower. hellllllllllllllllllllll yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cruzer101 said:

I dig the ramble, you can ramble on all ya want in my journal.

The res gets refilled twice a day from cold tap water thats gone through the filter so it dont have time to heat up much. But you are right, I do check the temp and its been cool enough. If it isn't I can just drain it out and fill it with cold water, only takes 3 min to fill up again. I do have a chiller I can use if I need it.

So you think I will be fine topping at this point, cool. I think Ill go ahead and clip about a foot off the tall one and try and fim the blueberry.
What do you think of the Kush strains, I dont think I need to do anything with them its just the two big ones, blue cheese and blue berry.

For flower supports I got all those exposed 2x4's man. Im gonna tie to those. I was thinking about running poultry fence all along the inside walls. Tacking it to the 2x4's and giving me several more tie points but also keeping the buds off the walls where they can heat up. Give me a couple go's at this and I will have the whole dam thing screened. LOL.




Thanks for the link guy, They got some good stuff but Im gonna pass on the yo yo's



Thanks Psari, thats some good info.
I dont know if you checked out my previous grows but I'm an indoor hydro grower. This three month veg thing is a lot of time for me. I knew we just went through our solstice and was wondering if I was too late. Sounds like I'm right on the money.

As far as plant support you are correct in assuming I will tie to the frame. It just may be a spiderweb but no yo yo's... safer that way, "honey I've fallen and I cant get up" Shit, I would never hear the end of it.


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jw wat ur water temp was cuz i never checked when i started outdoors. but that temp should be good enough, no real reason to spend more money running the chiller i guess. outdoor always seems alot more resillant than indoors. i liked growin indoors and outdoors and would love to grow outdoors again but cuz security... cant. but incorportaing wat u learned indoors and outdoors togheter is a good hybrid of skills IMO.
just like PSARI said this info is all in my opinion and wat happened with those methods in my scenarios.

but the kush strains and other pure indicas i would just leave.
i had forgotten soltice passed already so i would have to pass the cropping topic onto sumone that knows more about outdoors and the flower stretch. i dont want to suggest a topping method if ure already in flower. the plants wont heal or recover in time to produce the main tops u desire. u know this as well from indoors. so id rec researching how much longer u have of veg growth if any.
to be on the complete safe side u can always LST (low stress train) the tops and side shoots to whervere u want them to go and still allow auxin horomones to shift to diff parts of the plant and still get sum smaller but strong tops.

if u search for Hodgegrown's journal hes got a huge outdoor grow but his support system is simple and effective. 2x4s like u mentioned but he builds like a box around the plants in raised beds for flower support. u could small scale his design or modify to ur needs.

theres lots of diff materials ive seen for support;

-2x4s can b arranged to provide side support and make and overhead to hang support rope from but u already have a roof
-PVC piping could b modified for support and doesnt take up as much room and isnt heavy like the wood. u could easily run PVC over head from side to side or sum shit and tie up to that without gettin to spiderwebbed.
-Rope can be string parralell to the plants and provide inner suuport and be out of ur way for the most part. in my outdoor grow if u look close ull see 10' tall 3" diameter PVC pipe that i stood vertical in the ground and drilled holes thru it for a quick ghetto support system. i just weaved the rope thru with no slack and it helped the plants kind of lean on each others distributed weight.
-or go grab sum chicken wire or fencing material and use it however u want

knowing u im sure u can fix up sum crazy legit shit to resolve the support issue. im sure theres other peeps on here that can pitch in sum other ideas that will fit ur situation

True, actual "clipping" may not be the best this late. But with so many strains, you have to wait and see for pheno drift etc to even come close to predicting which would have needed it. I was thinking along the lines of (training or shaping) pre-flower training/LST/trimming. Should have been a wee bit more specific it seems. Least stress is always bending of course. The reduced stretch from doing that would probably work out in there. Only thing I cant dial in from armchair guessing would be any potential changes from flowering nute switch you might make. After mulling it some and going back over the last clip, you really only have like one or two plants with a potential height headache. Worse case, that top cola gets a little weird from bending over slightly or slightly smaller, but it beats losing it to rot/burn from touching that roof.

I think I was stuck on the idea you had less head space overall somehow. That and I'm used to the concept of people being butchers to outdoor plants. Amazingly resilient and all that.

Just was musing it over and figured I should mention my internal retraction and modified ideas. Hopefully without raising ire. But, as always, it is your call and trust your gut some with it. All the pics and video in the world cant tell me what those stems feel like when you move them, and all the other little things that make up knowing your garden. Like doing ties to the frame. I wouldn't want to do it that way, but after standing and moving around in that space for months I would probably have a different outlook on it.

Nice grow Cruz! I have subbed

glad to see u in hodges thread cruz. he and a the other guys that follow his grows know a shitload of outdoors. thats where i started and learned from themfor outdoors. theyll def lead u the rite way. like hodge and Nel mentioned, just bend and train the tops if ure worried about having to top sum.

cutman said:

dam cruzer those are going to be monster bud cant wait to see them in full flower. hellllllllllllllllllllll yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Even if mine is bigger then yours?

BooMeR242 said:

jw wat ur water temp was cuz i never checked when i started outdoors. but that temp should be good enough, no real reason to spend more money running the chiller i guess. outdoor always seems alot more resillant than indoors. i liked growin indoors and outdoors and would love to grow outdoors again but cuz security... cant. but incorportaing wat u learned indoors and outdoors togheter is a good hybrid of skills IMO.
just like PSARI said this info is all in my opinion and wat happened with those methods in my scenarios.

but the kush strains and other pure indicas i would just leave. Iif u search for Hodgegrown's journal hes got a huge outdoor grow but his support system is simple and effective. 2x4s like u mentioned but he builds like a box around the plants in raised beds for flower support. u could small scale his design or modify to ur needs. theres lots of diff materials ive seen for support;

-2x4s can b arranged to provide side support and make and overhead to hang support rope from but u already have a roof
-PVC piping could b modified for support and doesnt take up as much room and isnt heavy like the wood. u could easily run PVC over head from side to side or sum shit and tie up to that without gettin to spiderwebbed.
-Rope can be string parralell to the plants and provide inner suuport and be out of ur way for the most part. in my outdoor grow if u look close ull see 10' tall 3" diameter PVC pipe that i stood vertical in the ground and drilled holes thru it for a quick ghetto support system. i just weaved the rope thru with no slack and it helped the plants kind of lean on each others distributed weight.
-or go grab sum chicken wire or fencing material and use it however u want. Knowing u im sure u can fix up sum crazy legit shit to resolve the support issue. im sure theres other peeps on here that can pitch in sum other ideas that will fit ur situation

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Thanks man,
I had a different picture in mind when I started this grow and then I asked FDD how he prunes his plants and he said he dosent do it at all there is no need to. Well, I figured what the hell, and let them go. Now the lower branches are about 1/3 of the size of the stalk. Looking back now I think I should have removed them. I dont know, I'm in the sun right? I mean no need for an even canopy cause the sun will reach the lower stuff right?
I will know a lot more once this is done.

psari said:

True, actual "clipping" may not be the best this late. But with so many strains, you have to wait and see for pheno drift etc to even come close to predicting which would have needed it. I was thinking along the lines of (training or shaping) pre-flower training/LST/trimming. Should have been a wee bit more specific it seems. Least stress is always bending of course. The reduced stretch from doing that would probably work out in there. Only thing I cant dial in from armchair guessing would be any potential changes from flowering nute switch you might make. After mulling it some and going back over the last clip, you really only have like one or two plants with a potential height headache. Worse case, that top cola gets a little weird from bending over slightly or slightly smaller, but it beats losing it to rot/burn from touching that roof.

I think I was stuck on the idea you had less head space overall somehow. That and I'm used to the concept of people being butchers to outdoor plants. Amazingly resilient and all that.

Just was musing it over and figured I should mention my internal retraction and modified ideas. Hopefully without raising ire. But, as always, it is your call and trust your gut some with it. All the pics and video in the world cant tell me what those stems feel like when you move them, and all the other little things that make up knowing your garden. Like doing ties to the frame. I wouldn't want to do it that way, but after standing and moving around in that space for months I would probably have a different outlook on it.

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Thats true however I do value your armchair opinion, these girls are extremely healthy. There stocks look like they will have no trouble supplying the nutrients later in flower. I may have to pinch them to bend them. The leaf maintains a nice rich green color, the only time I saw any light green was before I started feeding and that was mostly the new growth.. I have removed 2 yellow leaves from the bottom of two different plants, thats it.

Oh I have buchered them indoors too, top, fim, supper cropped, LST, SCROG the works. However indoors I have control of the lighting. I would veg to about a foot, top, veg for another couple weeks tieing them down to a screen and then flip to 12/12. tieing them for another couple weeks while they stretched then let them go. Im just not sure when I will get the stretch, I assume it will be the first couple weeks of August. Thats when I get 14 hours of daylight or less but about 7 or 8 hours of direct sunlight.

fishern3 said:

Nice grow Cruz! I have subbed

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Welcome fisherman,
Kick back, toss in your line and spark up!

BooMeR242 said:

glad to see u in hodges thread cruz. he and a the other guys that follow his grows know a shitload of outdoors. thats where i started and learned from themfor outdoors. theyll def lead u the rite way. like hodge and Nel mentioned, just bend and train the tops if ure worried about having to top sum.

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Yea, I'm leaning that way.
Maybe I will make a custom screen with like 4 inch holes I can reach up through and tie them back to it.
Run it from from to back right down the middle.

I went and move them today and learned something.

The way I got the watering going is through a 1/4 in tube shoved about 2 inches in the soil. Its been feeding them alright but it hasn't packed the soil like top watering does. So people who have trouble with aeration this is the answer. In my case the soil is plenty aerated and I feel I need more compacting so the roots have a firmer grip. I am going to top water each of them a couple times to pack the soil some.

Now the three on the right are about three feet apart and the left side are 16 inches apart and staggered between the right side better for LST.





I'm seeing a trace of spider mites on the blue dream, some lower leaf is speckled so I'm gonna top water and release more lady bugs. Then I figure I will put sand on top of the soil to help keep out other pests.

" Even if mine is bigger then yours?" not what she said, lol hell yea bro. these last six i have in veg, im going to let them go alittle longer, then (lst) them. figure ill just keep bending them till there done.

Looks like thats the ticket bro. LST. When I moved the blueberry I saw some small roots in the sand under the smart pot that went through into the dirt. They snapped off and she isn't to happy about it so I'm gonna give her a couple days to recover before I do the big bend. I top watered her with a couple gallons of 600 ppm ph 6,8 water and opened up the center of her a bit though.

im down for watever plan u come up with cruz. im sure itll work either way but this is more of a trial round. i mean every first round is. runnin diff strains is always hard to judge. i think ull be fine either way and will turn great product. ill be makin a weekend run up to nor cal to tour a medical warehouse for inspiration, mite have to swing by and check out ur cute dollhouse

Everything looking good bro, full steam ahead. Might have to put an addition on the greenhouse for next year.

BooMeR242 said:

im down for watever plan u come up with cruz. im sure itll work either way but this is more of a trial round. i mean every first round is. runnin diff strains is always hard to judge. i think ull be fine either way and will turn great product. ill be makin a weekend run up to nor cal to tour a medical warehouse for inspiration, mite have to swing by and check out ur cute dollhouse

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Yea like you say first round is trial and error. All diferent strains and all. I can tell you this, Blue Dream is a keeper alright. In both regular pot and smart pot that plant has filled out real nice.

Weekend run to no cali? That would be cool man.
Anytime after next week, cause I'm gonna be at the lake. Shoot me a PM with a date.
Hey, I wouldnt mind taking a ride and checking out a medical warehouse myself.

northeastern lights said:

Everything looking good bro, full steam ahead. Might have to put an addition on the greenhouse for next year.

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Thanks man, Like they say "ya never slow down ya never get old"
(can't get that song outta my head) Addition huh? I like your thinking.

this is one badass grow, but im wondering what he can do after he gets it dialed in, one can only imagine!
glad too see things worked out so nicely cruz!

Girls are lookin' mighty fine my friend.

DUBS Doobious said:

Girls are lookin' mighty fine my friend.

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Dubs nice avatar bro + rep. Where the hell did you get that?

reminds me of gorillaz



The greenhouse is rocking cruzer

"I feel summer creeping in..."

You da man cruzer, ladies looking good as always. Can't believe the roots are already growing out the bottom of those smart pots.