My Super CFL Lowryder 2 AeroGrow

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Koop

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krakennkenji said:
lol yeah I don't know what her deal is.

C'mon buds!!
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Hey man.. You should probably switch to 12/12.. I've been doing some research on Lowryder 2 cause I wanna grow this in the future some day for my first grow. I've also been reading a few complaints about Lowryders, & some people have believed that their seeds were most likely "defective" for not wanting to flower. But here are some posts & tips I've read that might be useful to you.

Try dropping lights to 12/12. I know it sounds bad, but its the only thing that worked for me. It sems as if some crosses are not all auto-flowering. I had a problem with the autos. I started them to gorw whilst my WW AI and Church fems were being germed and vegging. I started them 1 month before i germed the fems. At 3 months i had 2-3ft tall autos that had stopped growing and had gone into leaf replacment cycles, with odd looking tops. well 2.5 weeks ago the fems were past ready being tall and filling the space. I then went from 20/4 to 12/12. and suprise suprise the lowlife autoflowering mixes are now growing buds, and the odd tops have kicked out nodes of bud forming long colas. They statred budding from day 1 under 12/12 they were 100 days old at that time.
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word, I switched to 12/12 a week ago and they are finally on their way. Anyone who is having problems with slow flowering lr 2's I suggest the switch to 12/12
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For the first 4 or 5 weeks I did then I went to 16/8 and when that didn't work I went to 12/12 and now they are doing great.
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Anyways, I could of summarized all that but I'm bout to pass out on sleeping pills so I rather just copy & paste lol. Hope that helps, man.. Looking forward to the nice pictures, Good Luck!
 
krakennkenji

krakennkenji

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lurkmaster said:
Yo man thread title.. c'mon
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lol

Koop said:
Hey man.. You should probably switch to 12/12.. I've been doing some research on Lowryder 2 cause I wanna grow this in the future some day for my first grow. I've also been reading a few complaints about Lowryders, & some people have believed that their seeds were most likely "defective" for not wanting to flower.
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Thats crazy man. I was just thinking I should search around on here a little to see if anyone else was having issues. I can't believe that one dude you quoted had a 100 day-old LR2! I don't want that shit. Got a vacation planned in August.

My girl has been getting strictly Big Bloom and Tiger Bloom for two traight weeks now, no Grow Big at all. And still nothing.

It sorta seems like the breeders tried to isolate the autoflowering gene from the ruderalis but get all the rest of the traits from sativa/indica and ended up pretty much breeding the rudy right out of her. Hmmm...

Well maybe I'll put this up to a vote (of sorts).


Should I flip to 12/12? Yay or nay???


And BTW thanks for your input Koop. For a dude with only 6 posts you sure make 'em count! :peace:
 
lurkmaster

lurkmaster

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All of the autoflowering strains that did not flower people were having problems with were dutch passion taiga, not lowryder #2 and dutch passion was telling them to 12/12 them and they will comp their seeds and send a fresh batch.

Joint doctor has been in the autoflowering game for so long, he doesn't put out shit beans.
 
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Koop

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lurkmaster said:
All of the autoflowering strains that did not flower people were having problems with were dutch passion taiga, not lowryder #2 and dutch passion was telling them to 12/12 them and they will comp their seeds and send a fresh batch.

Joint doctor has been in the autoflowering game for so long, he doesn't put out shit beans.
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All the posts I quoted were from a 5 page Lowryder #2 thread on another website. Some people also mentioned that the seeds were purchased from Joint Joctor, and Attitude as well.

i have the same problem.

i bought 5 feminized seeds from JointD. They are now in 35. day from start and they don't show anything.i never didn't have this problem..

Every time they start flowering in 18-22 day....
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https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/176926-bad-batch-fem-lowryder-2s.html

^ Here's more people having problems with their plants that won't flower.

From what I've read though, it looks like putting the plant on 12/12 solves the problem..

krakennkenji said:
And BTW thanks for your input Koop. For a dude with only 6 posts you sure make 'em count! :peace:
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Thanks man, appreciate it. I'm just trying to help out with what I've read. I hope things turn out to be great for your plant!
 
lurkmaster

lurkmaster

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Koop said:
All the posts I quoted were from a 5 page Lowryder #2 thread on another website. Some people also mentioned that the seeds were purchased from Joint Joctor, and Attitude as well.



^

https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/176926-bad-batch-fem-lowryder-2s.html

^ Here's more people having problems with their plants that won't flower.

From what I've read though, it looks like putting the plant on 12/12 solves the problem..



Thanks man, appreciate it. I'm just trying to help out with what I've read. I hope things turn out to be great for your plant!
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Well, that really blows if its true.

If you can't even count on the creator of a hybrid to produce quality beans...

Just further exemplifies my dislike for anything autoflowering for any purpose other than a short outdoor season.
 
Shackleford.R

Shackleford.R

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Koop said:
All the posts I quoted were from a 5 page Lowryder #2 thread on another website. Some people also mentioned that the seeds were purchased from Joint Joctor, and Attitude as well.



^

https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/176926-bad-batch-fem-lowryder-2s.html

^ Here's more people having problems with their plants that won't flower.

From what I've read though, it looks like putting the plant on 12/12 solves the problem..



Thanks man, appreciate it. I'm just trying to help out with what I've read. I hope things turn out to be great for your plant!
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judging by the grammar of most of those quotes... don't think the sources are the brightest. but then again, you don't have to be the worlds greatest typist to grow reefer...
 
lurkmaster

lurkmaster

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Shackleford.R said:
judging by the grammar of most of those quotes... don't think the sources are the brightest. but then again, you don't have to be the worlds greatest typist to grow reefer...
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Yea, I have read a handful of posts in the past where people just aren't patient enough to wait for the buds.

There are so many factors that go into lighting cycles for indoor grows.

Its a real shame that most people grow on a simplified 18/6 12/12 cycle.

Thats fine for indicas, because in their natural climate thats how the seasons are.

Sativas are different, they are around 11/13 , 13/11 most of the time because of their equatorial origin.

Ruderalis strains grow in northern regions... like siberia for example.


I don't know who coined the term 'autoflowering' but its pretty far from the truth.

In theory, all strains are 'autoflowering'.

Its only a matter of what triggers flowering. Seasons or Age.

The light cycles we use only trick the plant into thinking seasons changed.

I have no experience with this personally, so I will quote dj short on this one (creator of blueberry strain)

Ruderalis: myth and misnomer

As indoor growers attempted to improve their genetic lines via breeding, another interesting phenomenon occurred: Ruderalis. Although there is a wild variety identified as Ruderalis in Russia ("Ruderalis" is supposedly Russian for "by the side of the road") that grows very short and matures very fast, I seriously doubt the rumor that someone actually went to Russia to collect seeds of this variety sometime in the past. Or, if someone actually did go all the way to Russia to find, collect and smuggle "rudy" seeds, I do feel sorry for their waste of time. They could have gotten the same worthless thing from Minnesota, Saskatchewan or Manitoba with much less hassle.

The North American Ruderalis probably originated as follows: After the Indica varieties arrived in the US and became incorporated into the gene pool, many breeders began to cross the earliest maturing individuals with each other in hopes of shortening the maturation cycle.

It would only take a few generations for the ugly Rudy phenotypes to begin expressing themselves. By ugly, I am referring to a strong lack of potency and/or desirability. I know, I was once guilty of the practice myself. It did not take me long to realize that this was a huge mistake in regard to the quality and potency of the future generations' finished product, and all subsequent breeding along this line was ceased.

Many of these manipulated rudies were released on the open market between 1981 and 1986. It was shortly after this period that the grow journals of the era (Sinsemilla Tips and High Times) ran articles about the possibility of a new wonder variety for indoor grows: fast blooming Ruderalis. Rumor had spread to myth and misnomer. Therefore, it may be more appropriate to say that the Ruderalis phenotype was coaxed from Indica genetics, via the indoor breeding environment.

The same applies to many of the Indica dominant varieties available today. Breeders selecting for early, fast flowering or fast growth often miss out on some of the finer and more subtle characteristics available from crossing certain genotypes. My advice to breeders is to wait until the finished product is suitably tested before coming to any conclusions regarding desirable candidates for future breeding consideration.
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I had come to many of the same conclusions myself, and after reading this it just fortified them.

http://www.thcfarmer.com/forums/f10/breeding-tips-dj-short-2002-a-69/

Definitely worth a read if you have time, this guy knows his shit, found the article yesterday.
 
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GrowingMadness

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Yes, switch to 12/12 fast.

What I don't understand though is why you put your light on the most stretched out position initially? You could've just lowered it and not need the other CFLs for a long time
 
krakennkenji

krakennkenji

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Yeah I thought for sure that the Joint Doc is pretty much like the godfather of auto strains, putting out only well-bred, quality finished products. Guess that was a mistaken assumption.

Lurk you've got me convinced on the shittiness of ruderalis. Seems to be no benifits, just crappy genetics. With all the growers out there pulling off these great 12/12 from seed/clone plants, SOG style, it makes me wonder why you'd need to muddy up the gene pool for "autoflowering" anyway. I'll read that article tonight after work.

So I may as well just go 12/12 I guess. To be honest, most of my time on RIU as of late has been occupied with planning my next setup, and my interest in this little experiment has diminshed somewhat. But I'm not just gonna pull the plug.

So... anyone got a yay or nay for me??
 
krakennkenji

krakennkenji

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GrowingMadness said:
Yes, switch to 12/12 fast.

What I don't understand though is why you put your light on the most stretched out position initially? You could've just lowered it and not need the other CFLs for a long time
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The AG hood was at the lowest possible setting for as long as possible. And even now its nowhere near being at its fullest extension.

For example, this pic was taken just after the hood was raised for the very first time, 1 notch.



If you look back through the journal you can see more pics where it was at its lowest setting.
 
lurkmaster

lurkmaster

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Well, I don't really know what switching to 12/12 is going to accomplish...

If its 'autoflowering' in the sense that its flowering is triggered by age, why would switching to 12/12 do anything.

I am wondering if it is just waiting for a certain maturity level that is OLDER than all of the other phenotypes.

Honestly, I would just leave it and see what happens, you might just be gimping your plants light time if you 12/12 and its going to start flowering on its own anyways regardless of photo period.

But on the other hand if you don't have unlimited time and space putting them on 12/12 now would be a good conservative choice.


Maybe they are 'bad beans' or maybe its just people freaking out for no reason doing stupid shit without any real proof jumping to conclusions and they are just a slower maturing plant generation.


There are a handful of breeders out there selling autoflowering varieties that are NOT dwarf plants that finish in 9 weeks.
 
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leova

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("Ruderalis" is supposedly Russian for "by the side of the road")
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For the record, that's not true, as far as I know :)

The actual translation of that phrase would be "Na starane dorogi", more or less, though its possible that Ruderalis originated from some weird Siberian dialect or something.
 
krakennkenji

krakennkenji

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Well, maybe. I think so. She might be toast. Let me elaborate...

Gave her the week 6 rez flush and nutes, put everything back togethor, and totally forgot to PH the water/nute mix. Thats what happens I guess when you start fucking with your grow op and you're waaaay beyond baked.

I went to check her out the next day and noticed she was a little droopy. Hmmm... I thought. Why? OH YEAH, I realized, didnt pH the shit, like a retard. Well, no biggy I think, I just end up adding a shitload of pH down to get it in check. Think everythings gonna be fine. Come home from work tonight and shes like mad, crazy droopy, way worse than before. FUCK! I test the pH again, still way too high! I really don't know why or how, since I thought I balanced it right before work. Well I just emptied out the rez again completely, added fresh water and nutes, pH'd it, and put her back in the grow cabinet. I'll be checking the pH again here in a little bit.

Only good news is that there are no other bad signs than really droopy leaves... no discolered leaves, no huge spike in temperature anytime in the last 24hrs, nothing. Just droopy, green leaves.

A friend is borrowing my camera right now so I cannot post pics, but I will once I have it back. This sucks :sad:
 
purpdaddy

purpdaddy

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the nutes have a ph stabalizer in it..so after you nix the nutes,,its like it take almost twice the down to bring it to the point you want.
 
krakennkenji

krakennkenji

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purpdaddy said:
the nutes have a ph stabalizer in it..so after you nix the nutes,,its like it take almost twice the down to bring it to the point you want.
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Yeah it always takes way more after the nutes are added. Sorry that you joined the thread just now purp, as the last plant is officially DEAD.

I am really kind of baffled as to why she just shriveled up and died. I mean, yeah, the pH was off, but she went from perfectly healthy to fucking dead with a quickness!

Well, I've learned a lot and will make sure to do much better next time around. I am moving into a new place hopefully at the end of this month so we'll see what I come up with then. In the meantime I'll be lurking around RIU, though not as often as I have been. Sorry to those who have been following the grow for its sudden end... I am bummed too, but excited for bigger and better things to come. :peace:
 
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