Need advice on my setup.

Reposted from a different forum.

Hello buds,


Hope all is well. Im seeking professional/experienced advice on a set I put together after doing a little reading for some time online, keeping in mind my options and resources. Im hoping if I didn't completely fuck this up, it can also help other beginner growers attempting to put together kits on their own even tho I've always been the guy that googles already asked questions on forums like this.


I'll be trying to grow two Cinderella 99s (for now, and probably will be posting a grow journal) using this setup:




SEEDS :

• 4 Cinderella 99 Feminised Seeds from Seedsman.

= 28 EUR



GROW TENT :

• Voilamart 140 x 60 x 60 cm

= 50 EUR



VENTILATION :

• Valve Ution 105 m³/h – 100 mm connection, in line mini air conditioner. - Filter 160 m³/h, 100 mm connection. - Aluminium covered air exhaust hose 100 mm, 3 meter. - 2x Hose Clamps for connecting.

= 57 EUR

• 30 cm, Power supply: 230 Volt, 50 Hertz, Power consumption: 30 Watt

= 25 EUR



LIGHTS :

• Hammered Reflector Assembled with E 40 for NDL & MH

= 15 EUR

• Hydrofarm Xtrasun Grow Systems Magnetic Ballast, 400 Watt, White

= 50 EUR

• PowerPlant 400W Metal Halide Retro Fit Lamp

= 16 EUR

• LUMii 400 W HPS Sunblaster Lamp

= 15 EUR



MONITORS :

• TopElek 3-in-1 pH, soil moist and light meter

= 12 EUR

• Anpro Thermometer/Hygrometer

= 8 EUR



GROWING MEDIUM AND FERTILIZERS :

• BioBizz 50L Light-Mix Potting Soil Bag

= 13 EUR

• BioBizz Indoor Try Pack (1. Biobizz Bio-Bloom, 2. Biobizz Bio-Grow 3. Biobizz Top-Max, each 250 ml)

= 13 EUR

• 5 x 3 Gallon breathable fabric non-woven smart pots

= 13 EUR



TOTAL = 315 EUR


(Yes I did copy paste some of the descriptions lol)



I'd appreciate some opinions on the size of tent Im trying to grow two (maybe three if possible) plants in, The type, quality and prices of the products I picked, whether you expect heat issues in my tent or not and any extra fertilizers or similar products I may need (and any other advice you may have for me)


Thanks a lot for your time in advance.

So if I'm not mistaken, your tent is a 2ftx2ftx4.5ft tent when converted from cm to ft.

A 400w light is good for that space, but the problem is that 4.5ft isn't very tall at all. I haven't grown Cindy myself so I can't say much from personal experience, although from what I've seen in other journals Cindy seems like it stretches quite a bit.

In a set up that size, 2x2 consists of 4 square feet, so you have 2 options as to what the best bet for you is. The only thing that is going to determine which option is best for you is the amount of time you're willing to veg for pretty much. To maximize your yield in that space, a SCROG is pretty much mandatory. You have 4 seeds total, so you can either grow all 4 of them out in 3 gallon pots or pick the best one and throw it in a 20 gallon pot.

4 plant grow

After they've grown for a bit, you can top them at the 5th node and LST the plants to get nice even canopies on all of them. 3 gallon pots are roughly 9 inches tall, so you'll probably want to install a screen anywhere between 6-9 inches above the pots. Since you only have 4.5ft of space, and the Cindy stretches quite a bit, you want to make absolutely sure that your girls aren't more than 12-16 inches tall when you flip to 12/12 and even 16 inches is pushing it. The last thing you want is for them to outgrow your tent If your pots are 9 inches high, and you grow the plants out to 6 inches and start topping/LST them at 6-8 inches you can start making a canopy that won't exceed 18 inches in height. Tuck the 4 plants under the screen (each plant getting it's own square foot of space) and make sure that each plant doesn't fill more than 75% of it's space in the screen. If your screen gets to 75% full, it's time to flip to 12/12. Keep tucking the girls under the screen until it's full, then let everything grow up. If you've done all of this right, your screen's canopy shouldn't get any higher than 36-40 inches total. You have to be careful that nothing is too close to the light or you'll cause more problems.

If everything is done properly, you shouldn't have to veg for more than 4-6 weeks (including seedling stage which is around 2 weeks), then you start flower. If everything is done properly, the plants are never stressed, and your screen is nice and full, this set up should be able to net you a half pound or so, give or take. When you have more experience under your belt, this set up is definitely capable of pulling a pound.

Single Plant Grow

If you don't mind the extra 2-4 weeks of veg time, this is the method I would go with if I were in your shoes. You're pretty much following the same method as the 4 plant grow, but you're only growing one plant under the same screen instead of 4. This method is better for a variety of reasons. A single plant with access to 20 gallons of medium will out grow and out yield 4 plants with access to 3 gallons of medium each. The single plant has 20 gallons of potential root mass, where as the 4 plants have 12 gallons of potential root mass. A single plant in that set up would also become more of a tree than a plant, capable of delivering much more water and nutrients than 4 plants in 3g soil. You'll also be picking the winner out of 4 seedlings, instead of growing out all 4 seedlings. With the single plant grow, you pretty much follow the same method as above but with just a single plant. Start the seedlings in solo cups until they grow out a bit and you've determined which one is the best of the bunch, then cull the rest. Place the single plant into the 20g pot and give it some time to grow it's roots, don't panic if you don't see growth after transplant, it's perfectly natural because the plant is focusing more on stretching it's roots at this point than growing. Like above, once the single plant grows it's 5th-6th node, top it at the 5th node and LST for that even canopy. Then let the canopy grow up into the screen and train the plant into the screen until it is 75% full, trigger flower and keep tucking until the rest of the screen is filled 100%. Then finish flower and enjoy your harvest.

I don't know if your light is in a hood or a reflector, but either way you'll need an inline fan to control your heat. Fortunately 400w isn't too hot, and if the room the tent is in always has ambient temps of 70-78 degrees, you'll be just fine using a single inline fan to both exhaust the heat outside as well as intake the cool ambient air from the room your tent is inside.

Something I had the pleasure of finding out the hard way though, make sure your room is perfect before you even start germinating. Get your tent 100% set up and turn on your lights, inline fan, and so forth. With the lights on, make absolutely certain your temps and humidity are in order. Once you know your room is at a constant 75-78 degrees and 50-60% RH (for veg, 40% and under in flower) then you're ready to get your seeds going. If your room isn't at those temps/RH, do whatever it takes to ensure that it is before you start your seeds. It is much less stressful on you and the plants to make sure things are perfect before you pop the seeds. A majority of newer growers (myself included) just put the shit together and throw the plants in there and troubleshoot the room while there are plants growing, destroying any chance at a good yield.

As for the battle plan,

- Determine if you'd prefer to have a single plant or 4 plants, then plan accordingly.
- Ensure your tent's temps/RH are up to standard before starting the seeds.
- Research how to top and LST your plants.
- Follow the above instructions with your choice of medium/cultivation. You can go soil, DWC, soilless, etc. I'm an organic soil guy myself and that is what I always recommend to people, but as they say, there is more than one way to skin a cat.

Happy growing.

kratos015 said:

So if I'm not mistaken, your tent is a 2ftx2ftx4.5ft tent when converted from cm to ft.

A 400w light is good for that space, but the problem is that 4.5ft isn't very tall at all. I haven't grown Cindy myself so I can't say much from personal experience, although from what I've seen in other journals Cindy seems like it stretches quite a bit.

In a set up that size, 2x2 consists of 4 square feet, so you have 2 options as to what the best bet for you is. The only thing that is going to determine which option is best for you is the amount of time you're willing to veg for pretty much. To maximize your yield in that space, a SCROG is pretty much mandatory. You have 4 seeds total, so you can either grow all 4 of them out in 3 gallon pots or pick the best one and throw it in a 20 gallon pot.

4 plant grow

After they've grown for a bit, you can top them at the 5th node and LST the plants to get nice even canopies on all of them. 3 gallon pots are roughly 9 inches tall, so you'll probably want to install a screen anywhere between 6-9 inches above the pots. Since you only have 4.5ft of space, and the Cindy stretches quite a bit, you want to make absolutely sure that your girls aren't more than 12-16 inches tall when you flip to 12/12 and even 16 inches is pushing it. The last thing you want is for them to outgrow your tent If your pots are 9 inches high, and you grow the plants out to 6 inches and start topping/LST them at 6-8 inches you can start making a canopy that won't exceed 18 inches in height. Tuck the 4 plants under the screen (each plant getting it's own square foot of space) and make sure that each plant doesn't fill more than 75% of it's space in the screen. If your screen gets to 75% full, it's time to flip to 12/12. Keep tucking the girls under the screen until it's full, then let everything grow up. If you've done all of this right, your screen's canopy shouldn't get any higher than 36-40 inches total. You have to be careful that nothing is too close to the light or you'll cause more problems.

If everything is done properly, you shouldn't have to veg for more than 4-6 weeks (including seedling stage which is around 2 weeks), then you start flower. If everything is done properly, the plants are never stressed, and your screen is nice and full, this set up should be able to net you a half pound or so, give or take. When you have more experience under your belt, this set up is definitely capable of pulling a pound.

Single Plant Grow

If you don't mind the extra 2-4 weeks of veg time, this is the method I would go with if I were in your shoes. You're pretty much following the same method as the 4 plant grow, but you're only growing one plant under the same screen instead of 4. This method is better for a variety of reasons. A single plant with access to 20 gallons of medium will out grow and out yield 4 plants with access to 3 gallons of medium each. The single plant has 20 gallons of potential root mass, where as the 4 plants have 12 gallons of potential root mass. A single plant in that set up would also become more of a tree than a plant, capable of delivering much more water and nutrients than 4 plants in 3g soil. You'll also be picking the winner out of 4 seedlings, instead of growing out all 4 seedlings. With the single plant grow, you pretty much follow the same method as above but with just a single plant. Start the seedlings in solo cups until they grow out a bit and you've determined which one is the best of the bunch, then cull the rest. Place the single plant into the 20g pot and give it some time to grow it's roots, don't panic if you don't see growth after transplant, it's perfectly natural because the plant is focusing more on stretching it's roots at this point than growing. Like above, once the single plant grows it's 5th-6th node, top it at the 5th node and LST for that even canopy. Then let the canopy grow up into the screen and train the plant into the screen until it is 75% full, trigger flower and keep tucking until the rest of the screen is filled 100%. Then finish flower and enjoy your harvest.

I don't know if your light is in a hood or a reflector, but either way you'll need an inline fan to control your heat. Fortunately 400w isn't too hot, and if the room the tent is in always has ambient temps of 70-78 degrees, you'll be just fine using a single inline fan to both exhaust the heat outside as well as intake the cool ambient air from the room your tent is inside.

Something I had the pleasure of finding out the hard way though, make sure your room is perfect before you even start germinating. Get your tent 100% set up and turn on your lights, inline fan, and so forth. With the lights on, make absolutely certain your temps and humidity are in order. Once you know your room is at a constant 75-78 degrees and 50-60% RH (for veg, 40% and under in flower) then you're ready to get your seeds going. If your room isn't at those temps/RH, do whatever it takes to ensure that it is before you start your seeds. It is much less stressful on you and the plants to make sure things are perfect before you pop the seeds. A majority of newer growers (myself included) just put the shit together and throw the plants in there and troubleshoot the room while there are plants growing, destroying any chance at a good yield.

As for the battle plan,

- Determine if you'd prefer to have a single plant or 4 plants, then plan accordingly.
- Ensure your tent's temps/RH are up to standard before starting the seeds.
- Research how to top and LST your plants.
- Follow the above instructions with your choice of medium/cultivation. You can go soil, DWC, soilless, etc. I'm an organic soil guy myself and that is what I always recommend to people, but as they say, there is more than one way to skin a cat.

Happy growing.

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Thank you very very much this was super helpful!
I've already received a few responses on this thread in another forum, I will be deleting this one tomorrow to focus more on that one especially now that My tent and equipment have changed. I'd appreciate it if you took a look at the other thread (https://www.rollitup.org/t/need-experienced-advice-on-my-set.942496/#post-13586188) and share any valuable input you may have. THANK YOU