New oxygen technology in RDWC DWC pot grows
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Forrestfirebuds
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Yep good answer. It's best to leave it at that.
Altered State
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It would be nice to see a start up company offering a device that costs less then the current options instead of costing more.
I currently use a 65 lpm aerator pump that passes 17 gallons of air per minute / 1020 gallons per hour for a costs of $100. As a bonus it also works as a water chiller keeping the nutrient temp the same as the pumps intake air temperature , which is kept in check be the pumps placement.
Which brings me to my next concern with the o2 generator , heat.
As the device is submerged in the water all heat generated will be passed into the nutrient tank , warming / heating it every minute its turned on.
I assume the heat varies according to watts being drawn.
For reference when a 18w water pump was added to a 23g rdwc system it increased the temperature by 5 degrees
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I currently use a 65 lpm aerator pump that passes 17 gallons of air per minute / 1020 gallons per hour for a costs of $100. As a bonus it also works as a water chiller keeping the nutrient temp the same as the pumps intake air temperature , which is kept in check be the pumps placement.
Which brings me to my next concern with the o2 generator , heat.
As the device is submerged in the water all heat generated will be passed into the nutrient tank , warming / heating it every minute its turned on.
I assume the heat varies according to watts being drawn.
For reference when a 18w water pump was added to a 23g rdwc system it increased the temperature by 5 degrees
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Logan Burke
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Bennies all the way... Ive no chiller, standalone DWC buckets with 60lpm of air running to each, 75F water, never had the root rot.... 
Logan right, he keeps the plants and microbes healthy, he know that a chiller is a sham, a waste of money. If you can't keep your plants healthy the get sick, die and the catch a dose of the root rot.
Try high 70's - 80F res water temp, the production is impressive and the grow-out time is much quicker?
The warmer the water the greater the plant, root and benny metabolism, the faster the crop and bennies grow the greater the yield, the more money you make. That's as simple as it can get and Logan's definitely got it.
Try high 70's - 80F res water temp, the production is impressive and the grow-out time is much quicker?
The warmer the water the greater the plant, root and benny metabolism, the faster the crop and bennies grow the greater the yield, the more money you make. That's as simple as it can get and Logan's definitely got it.
Logan Burke
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Well, I'm not making any money haha, but I guess I am saving it by not having to go to these sleezy street dealers selling it with god-only-knows what on/in it. Anyway. I run between 70-77F. It is true that the roots metabolize their nutes more quickly at higher temperatures, however, just as with any living thing it is not quite that simple. Too high of temps will encourage bad microbes to grow, and in general, bennies prefer the same conditions as the roots do. In my opinion, you should try to avoid water temps above 75F no matter what even with bennies. I have seen people be successful with low 80's water temp for long periods of time using an array of bennies, not just Hydroguard. My water does get below 70 some days, for the first half of this grow, they stayed at or below 70F. I cannot say I have noticed any considerable difference in growth, but this would require a side by side for a definitive answer. I personally believe that, especially for us in standalone systems, bennies are not only a cheaper option vs chillers, but they clean your roots and break down things like dead roots, leaf matter, etc....some believe root rot is for water with temps above 72F...but I've seen many with chillers at a perfect 68F get root rot time and time again for various and diverse reasons.
Thank you J Henry; I simply try to give back so much of the information I learned on this site! Happy growing everyone!
Thank you J Henry; I simply try to give back so much of the information I learned on this site! Happy growing everyone!
Actually fungi are ubiquitous little creatures and necessary. They are always on standby ready to jump into the colonization, feasting and reproduction mode and consume the dead, dying, sickly and decaying organic matter… like microscopic turkey buzzards always present, waiting, smelling the environment for the scent of death. They do not colonize and feast on healthy plants and Rhizomes. Death and decay comes first, then comes the fungal outbreak. You have not experienced a dose of the root rot because you maintain your grow in an excellent healthy condition all the time. You do what many hobby growers can only wish they could do.
Growers that can’t, don’t and won’t keep their plants and roots alive or healthy are the unfortunate ones that have fungal outbreaks and then the discovery of the crisis and off to the races seeking the cure for the infection. Prevention is really so much easier than the race for the cure.
Preventing fungal infestations is really simple as you know so well – just don’t kill the rhizomes or the beneficial microbial colonies and there will be nothing to attract fungal colonization, that’s all and clearly you are expert at keeping everything healthy. Others should pay attention to your growing technique and you are right - you don’t need a water chiller to keep res water cold like the chiller salesmen always tell you.
Growers that can’t, don’t and won’t keep their plants and roots alive or healthy are the unfortunate ones that have fungal outbreaks and then the discovery of the crisis and off to the races seeking the cure for the infection. Prevention is really so much easier than the race for the cure.
Preventing fungal infestations is really simple as you know so well – just don’t kill the rhizomes or the beneficial microbial colonies and there will be nothing to attract fungal colonization, that’s all and clearly you are expert at keeping everything healthy. Others should pay attention to your growing technique and you are right - you don’t need a water chiller to keep res water cold like the chiller salesmen always tell you.
dstroy
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Just like you don't need to add an electrolysis machine to increase your DO when airstones exist?
WeedFreak78
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I'm convinced most root rot issues are a product of heavy nutrient use or lack of reservoir maintainance, not lack of DO. Heavy nutrient use leaves excess nutrients in the solution the plants can't use, providing a buffet for bacteria. Dead leaves and roots do the same thing.
Dead plant material and excess nutes will promote bacterial blooms. Keep your reservoir clean, run conservative nutrient levels and keep temps in check and a standard air stone is more than adequate.
J Henry is a shill that's been run out of here at least once before. He makes wild claims with nothing to back it up and can't answer simple questions about HIS product HE keeps trying to hawk around here.
I still want an explanation of how you control the hydrogen gas production from these O2 emitters. Or are you unconcerned with selling a product that could turn a well sealed reservoir into a small bomb in someone's house? Asshat
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Dead plant material and excess nutes will promote bacterial blooms. Keep your reservoir clean, run conservative nutrient levels and keep temps in check and a standard air stone is more than adequate.
J Henry is a shill that's been run out of here at least once before. He makes wild claims with nothing to back it up and can't answer simple questions about HIS product HE keeps trying to hawk around here.
I still want an explanation of how you control the hydrogen gas production from these O2 emitters. Or are you unconcerned with selling a product that could turn a well sealed reservoir into a small bomb in someone's house? Asshat
.And how bout those high dollar water chillers everyone loves to buy, ice, res hypothermia and water falls, spray jets and an air venture or maybe double venturies (deliver 2 X more air)? Any opinion on all this stuff or what about just turning down the a/c temperature in your grow-room maybe? Or just open the window if you grow in the mountains (>1500 ft. - >1 mile high elevation) or maybe even move to Canada?
**** Here's a big, BIG question for you - what do you think is the optimal safe DO required to prevent suffocating the rhizomes and good bacteria in the res water and prevent fungal infestations? Ke word here is "prevent fungal infestations." not treat fungal infestation?
FennarioMike
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Answer us, oh wise one, and please let us buy your overpriced electrolyzer so we can grow our plants. There obviously is no other way!
Logan Burke
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Actually, I have had root rot, lol...just not since I started running hydroguard. And yes DO I doubt is ever the only contributing factor to root rot, there must be a source of the bad microbes, which is often there in the form of a dead root or flake of leaf. I think until someone creates something just as cost effective as air stones and an air pump, this product would likely be counterproductive to O2 levels especially for standalone's as I'm guessing it's heat output is at least that of a water pump, I would think more,diminishing the water's maximum DO capacity regardless of how much it creates, but idk this science very well, just basics.
rkymtnman
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proof right here you don't have a friggin clue about growing weed and just here to sell your crap.
optimal grow room temps are 75F. water temps will eventually climb to ambient temp ie 75F. water holds the most DO at 65F which is why a chiller is required. and even more so if you use CO2 and grow room temps approach 90F.
you are a bad salesman and an even worse grower.
O-simpleton, there are many other ways.
OK, Let’s see you will make a little effort today and then you answer back to me what you discover – Spend a quarter and call (952) 373-0424 ask for Ms. Ahmed Saidi, technical assistance. This will take motivation that you probably cannot muster-up.
I don’t do sales, I’m not in the sales racket, but I stayed at Holiday Inn last week up North and slept very well… you’re wrong again as usual.
Did you know “there is no muff too tough to dive, we dive at 5.” (Frogman, San Diego, CA 2001)
Are you opposed to anything that might rate to just a little more than the bare-bones "basics?" Water, air, fire, earth...
rkymtnman
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just put up pics of a side by side grow with o2 grow shit on one side of a tent and air stones on the other. we'll decide.
we dont' need a customer service rep for Directv in India telling us more of your bullshit. and phone calls don't cost a quarter anymore. what fucking century do you think this is?
rkymtnman
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KISS. keep it simple shithead.
Logan Burke
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I'm opposed to claims being made without the support of either personal experience combined with facts or purely facts, then criticizing other people when they point out reasons they disagree with the one making that claim. Then when questions are asked (i.e. what kind of heat does it generate), more than once, and recieve no answer, it appears to be simply evasive. I've actually been much more understanding than other people who've replied here. But incredible claims require incredible proof; of which I see little or none.