New to Organics, Vermi T Extractor and Medi One?

I was thinking of purchasing (The Vermi T Extractor) and use it along with (Medi One). Will these products alone be able to get me through veg and flower with good results? Has anyone used these products before? I love the idea of having the Vermi T to make my own tea, they say it contains over 30,000+ living microbes. I was also using bubble buckets before, has anyone had experience growing organic with bubble buckets? Should I just switch to a soiless mix?

Vermi T™ Solution is a highly concentrated liquid form of beneficial biology that increases nutrient efficiency, root mass and yield. It contains approximately 35,000 diverse organisms that are recognized as probiotics for your plants. Introducing a consistent and balanced plethora of beneficial bacteria, fungi, protozoa and nematodes - key members of the soil food web- allows for better digestion of nutrients as well as stimulates immune system function.

If you are trying to go organic, forget what you know about hydro and get some real soil. A good, rich soil is what you want because the microbes need something to break down to make food for your plants.. Soilless mix wouldn't have any food source for your microbes. Microbes do all of the work in organic gardening.
You can either buy some potting soil and add some powdered fertilizers, or you can buy a premade mix like fox farm ocean forest..

tommy

The Vermi T adds food for your microbes to feed on, and ill be using Sunshine organic mix #4. Anyone else?

The vermi tea has microbes for the tea to feed on while it is brewing. You must still have the full range of macro and micro nutrients in your soil so that the microbes can break it down and feed it to your plants.
Sunshine mix has a tiny amount of quick-release fertilizer... After that, your microbes would be left hungry.. The plants wouldn't have anything to eat...

Here is a little article about organic fertilizers from a vermicompost website:
"Why Use Organic Fertilizers?

One advantage of organic fertilizers is that their nutrients are doled out as a steady diet in synch with plant needs. Because the nutrients come from natural sources, a portion of them may be temporarily unavailable to plants until released by a combination of warmth and moisture -- the same conditions plants need to grow. Released slowly, the nutrients from organic fertilizers are unlikely to burn plant roots or be leached away by water. And a single application may last a whole growing season.

You also might choose organic fertilizers for philosophical or environmental reasons. Organic fertilizers generally place fewer demands on energy resources, and they offer opportunities to recycle "garbage."The more concentrated a fertilizer (even an organic one), the less organic matter it contains. Fertilizers containing high concentrations of nitrogen, when used alone, can actually deplete soil organic matter, so if you use any such fertilizer, apply plenty of bulky organic matter, too. Dig materials such as straw, peat, compost, and leaves into the soil, or lay them on as mulch.

Naturally occurring mineral fertilizers are organic in the "not-synthetic" sense, but because they don't contain organic matter, they're not included in this list. Among them are Chilean nitrate, rock phosphate, greensand, and sulfate of potash magnesia.

Organic fertilizer; a rich, well-fed soil is all that most plants need to keep them growing vigorously. Few soils are naturally with organic fertilizer so gardeners can enhance the fertility of their soils by adding organic fertilizer. Not only will organic fertilizer provide a wide array of nutrients to the soil, organic fertilizer will encourage microbial activity, which allows the organic fertilizer to provide nutrients over a longer period of time. Unlike chemical fertilizers, the nutrients in organic fertilizers are less likely to leach away in rainwater.

In the range of organic fertilizers, gardeners are not limited to manure & compost. Although these fertilizers are abundant and easy to find, they can be the source of weed seeds and chicken & steer manure can be contaminated with antibiotics and other agrochemicals used in raising these animals. Alternatively, there are numerous other sources of organic fertilizer including alfalfa meal, canola meal, rock phosphate, bone meal, kelp meal, and greensand. All of these fertilizers are organic and naturally occurring, but it is important to choose the right one for your plants' needs"
http://www.green-lands.com/organicfarming.htm

"You must still have the full range of macro and micro nutrients in your soil" Wouldnt the Medi One take care of that?

Sativanya said:

"You must still have the full range of macro and micro nutrients in your soil" Wouldnt the Medi One take care of that?

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Oh yes, I missed that minor detail.. It looks really nice, the medi one.. Sorry to confuse you..
What country are you in?

I am going to watch this youtube video to learn about this nutrient..
[video=youtube;b3ULKL0yhew]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3ULKL0yhew[/video]

Im in Canada Ontario, and yes praise Jason Wilcox!!! This is where I first heard of it. Im going to be getting my license soon and want to go organic because I hear its the best for medical purposes. Thanks so much for your info, im new to the organic thing.

Cool, please start a journal when you get this going.. I like the idea of a one part nutrient and good organics...

I will for sure, I cant wait to get started. Im going to use those two products first and see my results. If I have to later ill add another product during flowering called (Massive).

That Vermi-T thingie is an expensive solution to a cheap problem. If you have the $$$$, cool. But you can get the same results with a 5 gallon bucket, aquarium air pump and air stone and a bag of worm castings if you don't have your own worm bin.

Total cost would be less than $30 and that's a high estimate.

Starting your own worm bin is easy and cheap, and gives you a constant supply of fresh castings. Total cost for that is ~$30 for the worms and 2 Rubbermaid totes. Kitchen scraps and newspaper/cardboard supply the rest.

Wet

Wouldn't peat-based soil-less mixes work for microbes; the peat organic matter?

CanadianEh said:

Wouldn't peat-based soil-less mixes work for microbes; the peat organic matter?

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Yes, that's what I've been using for well over 30 years.

Wet

WOW!!!!!!!!

Just did a quick search on that Vermi T.

Over $400 for what is basically a bubble bucket?!?

I don't care how nice the ad copy is, that is a complete and total rip off.

Wet

Here is a good tea brewer with a great base of microbes. s just a bucket and and air pump.. The starter powder is not some willy-nilly worm casting juice. Rather, it is a specific blend of microbes and fungi hand-selected for the tea. There are no undesirable bacteria in here.. It is not a compost tea, but an microbially rich solution..

Yea the thing is I love how easy the Vermi-T Extractor is, I wouldn't mind the initial investment, I would only have to buy it once. Do you know if it works well?

I haven't used it. It says it has compost, humus, worm castings.. They put that in some sort of cartridge...

I am not a fan of "compost teas" as much as the Microbially-rich solution.
With latter, some one puts all of the specific bacteria and fungi and the food to get them going into a powder.. Then you brew that up. You are not at the mercy of finding a biologically-diverse compost and hoping it has no anaerobic or harmful bacteria in there..
It is completely dialed-in.. The tandjenterprises link is the cheapest and best tea system. He is good about talking to you, too. So if you call Tom, he will talk you ear off about tea. Try it out and save a bunch of cash..

tommy

I REALLY suggest you read the thread "Soil food web gardening with compost teas" (I bumped it up for you). and the book "Teaming with Microbes", which is quoted liberally in the thread, BEFORE spending that kind of $$$ on something that is more a gimmick than anything.

Microbes are good things, but you don't need a $400+ bucket and whatever the refill's cost, to make good use of them.

Do your research first, and don't get ripped off.

Wet

Thanks guys, I really appreciate the info, and saving me tons of money I didn't think organics was going to be this involved when I first started reading about it, but Im glad I have some people who know whats up and are willing to help a noob like me. I will for sure keep reading as much as I can about it. I came across this system when I was doing some research, it's called KiS (Keep it Simple) has anyone had any experience with it? The cost is WAY cheaper and it looks fairly straight forward.

Wetdog said:

I REALLY suggest you read the thread "Soil food web gardening with compost teas" (I bumped it up for you). and the book "Teaming with Microbes", which is quoted liberally in the thread, BEFORE spending that kind of $$$ on something that is more a gimmick than anything.

Microbes are good things, but you don't need a $400+ bucket and whatever the refill's cost, to make good use of them.

Do your research first, and don't get ripped off.

Wet

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