New to site - Sharing my Etoh THC oil method~

Pyewacket

Well-Known Member
Hello folks. I have been enjoying grabbing information over the last several months but not sharing anything, sorry. I just introduced myself and would like to share my method for extracting THC oil using food grade Etoh. I am a big DIY fan. I believe a lot of what we can do ourselves is superior than what can otherwise be purchased/produced in a lab. An example of this would be creating a distillation apparatus that is safe, easy to use, and can produce a wonderful product.

I have been making my wife THC-oil to help her control severe anxiety. She is unable to smoke due to lung/allergy sensitivities, so producing a concentrate that can easily be converted into glycerin sublingual drops or edibles is essential to us.

I will be breaking this into two posts. This post -- will include a video that will cover how I process buds and make the actual oil. A second post will follow. I will cover how to make the actual distiller and boiler connections -- this post will contain a lot of information. It is important that it is built correctly -- advanced DIY project for most.

The reason that I have taken this path is because I am always concerned about producing something safe. I use 95.5% food grade alcohol (everclear). I will not use denatured alcohol or any other solvent that could provide a toxic product. I will not compromise, I am making this for my wife. I will not provide a product that has the potential of leaving toxic residue behind. We have spent years trying to get her off of the toxic stuff the old doc knows...not interested anymore. I make my own equipment because it is important, especially using 95.5%, that you do not use anything synthetic in the process. People use air-distillers/water distillers and others that you can purchase...most were never intended the use of 95/5% alcohol. They use synthetics in the production of their stills. Also, you will see DIY people that use all sorts of rubber/plastics liberally when working with the solvents...that is not for me.

Using plastics/rubbers or the like will break down into your medicine...once again, not interested. I will use Teflon. I have tested teflon the best I can, I have also seen others test Teflon and the consensus is that Teflon does not break down in the presence of high ABV alcohol. Every other material used is either: Copper, Stainless Steel, lead free plumbers silver solder. By using a proper distilling apparatus you can reclaim most of your expensive alcohol. This is not only of economical benefit, but it is a much safer way to do it.

I know this is not for everyone. It is heady and involved. Probably boring for a lot. I am also not criticizing any of the other methods. I just know what works for me. I am also learning a lot from some of the other methods, as I have been reading through the threads on this topic.

Here is the first video. How to process bud and operate a home-made distiller to make Etoh THC-oil.
[video=youtube;2IdsFcEayCE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IdsFcEayCE[/video]
 

Pyewacket

Well-Known Member
The following video is a video of me building a concentric distiller. There have been several of us working on this concept, design and construction. This is a good version of some of the ideas we have gathered. There is a lot involved. While there may be a lot of information here, you will want to study and connect with like-minded people. homedistiller.org has a lot of information. Including how to properly clean your still before you run it-important! How to build a gasket that you saw in the video above...and how to be safe.

[video=youtube;Z29Ci97ixRg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z29Ci97ixRg[/video]

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Apparatus Construction:



Some random things you will need:


Solder - Lead free only. I use http://www.homedepot.com/p/Oatey-H-20-5-Water-Soluble-Paste-Flux-Kit-with-Safe-Flo-Solder-506912/202515582#.UZ1SnJxsCcM Please stay clear of the electronics section when purchasing solder. The above kit comes with flux that will work just fine for copper to copper joining.


Sand paper or emery cloth. You can find emery cloth rolls in the soldering section at Homedepot etc.

Stainless steel wire brush. Again, you will find this in the soldering section.

Various drill bits, including 1/4inch

Propane Torch kit

Hack saw. Or some way to cut copper
***not needed, but a Dremal rotary tool is awesome to have.

Below is the basic parts list. The length of the still is your preference. I would not recommend anything less than 12inch long total length. For the length of tubes parts B,C,F,G you should review the video. Don't stress the measurements as much as pay attention to the mock-up. You make your copper tube cuts according to how the still is designed to be put together. Also on the video, I use a different connector that fits inside of the cap on the boiler top. Instead of using the part F.


A) 2 X 1"x.75" Copper reducer
B) 12" section of 3/4" copper tube
C) 10" section of 1" copper tube
D) 1 X 3/4"x1/2" Copper reducer
E) 1 X 1"x1/2" copper reducer
F) 3" section of 1" copper tube
G) 3" section of 1/2" copper tube
H) Roll of 1/4" soft copper tube you only need a few feet of this.
I) 1/4" to 1/4" compression connector brass lead free


Below is a very crude MSpaint schematic. This is not to scale, but it should do an ok job at helping you understand the apparatus. Read the copper parts list. I have assigned each a letter and have labeled to drawing and photos to help you make sense of the different construction aspects of this still.


In the drawing, I colored the center in pink. This is to represent the 3/4" copper pipe. It is also showing you the vapor path. Basically, you have the outer copper pipe, that is 1", and the inner copper pipe that is 3/4". Vapors rise up from the boiler, and when you are running water through the space between the 1" and 3/4" it chills this space. The vapors are forced back into liquid form. Beads-drops of liquid (distillate) roll down the inside walls of the 3/4 copper. Follow that down to the label "alcohol well". Look closely, you will see that the 1/2" copper tube extends up into the fitting. This creates a space, where alcohol will fill. As the distillate fills the well, it will run to the lowest point -- see the label 1/4" alcohol take-off. You will have a 1/4" line connected to the brass compression fitting. The line will lead to the collection jars so that you can reclaim the alcohol…to be reused; you MUST extend that 1/2" copper tube through the stop in the reducer…if you do not distillate will just drop back into the boiler.

I have some photos that are labeled that show the pieces…and a basic idea on how they come together. I am placing a photo of all the soldering joins that you have to create. As I edit, I will try to include informative resource links on proper ways to solder copper. When we get to the copper -- stainless joins, I am going to have to show you some specifics -- there are plumbers that do not know that you can solder stainless steel and copper together.
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Here are the parts cut and ready for dry fitting. Soldering is next.

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This is what you should end up with once pieces are dry fitted. Notice I have included the 1/4" soft copper attached. Please read the description on the photo that shows the soldering joints below.

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Now dry fit the two parts of the still together.

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Solder joints.

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Some other notes on soldering this distiller.

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Boiler construction:



As the name implies, a boiler is responsible for boiling. In this case, it must be large enough to meet your oil production needs. I decided to make a 2 gallon boiler for this project because I never plan to make more oil than what I can get from 6-8onces of bud at a time. That amount would require approximately 2 gallons of solvent (boiler capacity). You could, of course, make the boiler as large as you like. The only limiting factors would be the heat source that would be required to heat a very large boiler. For example, going larger than 5-7.5 gallons pushes the limits of small hotplate style electric burner (approx. 900-1000watts). It would take roughly 2-3 hours to boil off and reclaim the 2gallons of alcohol. 7.5 gallons on a small burner would take the better part of a day.


The concept is simple. Stainless steel pot, with a stainless steel salad bowl inverted on the top. You want a salad bowl so that you have plenty of head space for the vapors to accumulate before rising up and into the apparatus. The salad bowl makes a nice dome. So if you use the lid or something flat instead of the salad bowl, and you plan to fill the pot to capacity, you could get some coughing and choking as the boiling liquid rolls into the bottom of the still head.

I use inexpensive stock pots like this one I purchased from Big Lots here in the states:

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At the end of the video, I show how to attach the copper cap to the stainless steel salad bowl. Watch it first and read below.


You can get this one on sale for under $10. I purchased the stainless steel bowl from Target. You have to match up a stock pot to the salad bowl so that the rim of the pot makes good contact to the rim of the bowl. You should be looking for a bowl and pot with nice flattened rims.

There really are only a couple things that must be done to construct this boiler:


1) Solder an inverted 1" copper cap fitting to the center top of the inverted salad bowl. And then drilling several 1/4" holes through the cap -- straight through the stainless steel salad bowl -- so that vapors can pass up and into the apparatus.


2) Create a PTFE gasket. Easily constructed gasket that is safe and provides a seal that can be re-used many times. Some people claim theirs have lasted over a year of consistent use.


****Optional and not covered. Review the video: Basic steps are, drill a 1/4" hole that a thermometer port can be pushed through. Cutting a length of 1/4" soft copper and solder/seal one end. Insert this thermometer port through the hole you created and solder it in place.****


You will need to purchase a special flux for this job. I use: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001HWE9A2/ref=biss_dp_t_asn
LA-CO M-A Liquid Stainless Steel Flux Liquid, 4 oz

This flux is essential (or a flux like the above). You cannot solder copper to stainless without it.

Some basic tips when soldering stainless steel to copper (watch the video -- toward the end).


This is a huge departure from what you know about soldering copper to copper. Stainless steel requires a large amount of cleaning. So you will need to sand and/or use a stainless steel brush, stainless steel wool to get ALL corrosion off the metal. You should never touch the stainless steel soldering area once cleaned. The oils from your fingers will prevent the solder from binding. You will also need to make certain that all sanding debris is brushed off the steel. If you used permanent marker to mark anything on the steel, it must be sanded off before you solder.

This flux is different. It is not a paste. It is a liquid acid based substance. You will use a clean brush to apply on both the stainless steel and the copper. Do not use any paste flux when joining copper to stainless.

Apply the flux where you want the solder to go. This is not a capillary situation. If prepared properly, the solder will pool and make a strong bond to the stainless. I will show you a photo of my stainless soldering and you will see that plenty of solder is used as it pools on the surface and binds to the copper.

[FONT=&amp]Never put the torch flame on the stainless. Heat the copper and let the heat transfer to the stainless steel. Stainless steel scorches at high heat, so keep that flame away. In actuality, the stainless is so thin that it heats up rather fast--even conducted from the copper. In fact, you can use a 100w soldering iron to push fuse solder on the surface of the stainless steel. Although not needed for this application, you can also use a soldering iron to solder two pieces of stainless together.[/FONT]


Additional information:

Cleaning your distiller

It is important to clean your distiller before you produce anything for consumption. You have spent hours sanding, scouring, fluxing, and soldering. You will notice sticky smelly/grimy residue coating every aspect of the still. I start out with a good scrubbing with soapy water. I use a bottle brush to try and loosen some of the caked on crud before I tackle the two step cleaning process.

The application of this apparatus (to produce oil) is in someways a backward concept -vs- running this as a traditional alcohol still. Meaning, when we make alcohol for consumption we are concerned about the product being clean...the alcohol. When we are using it to make THC oil, we are concerned that not only the alcohol remain clean for multiple uses, but that what is left behind in the boiler doesn't contain contaminating residues. Imagine that old flux melting off and dripping down into your concentrate, YUCK! So, we need to do an extra good job cleaning your newly created still. It is a two step process:

1) Vinegar cleaning run: Once you have done a soapy water scrubbing and have given your distiller a good rinse, fill your boiler about 75% capacity using equal parts vinegar and water. Assemble your still as you would a normal run and crank up the heat. Allow the hot vinegar vapors to blast the grime, grit, and oxidation. Collect the distilling vinegar as you would your alcohol and dump it out. One thing to note, your flow will be reduced since vinegar/water has a high boiling point...when compared to alcohol. I am only saying this because it may discourage you a bit; distilling 95.5% alcohol is a much faster process.

This is the vinegar run on the still in the video. Looks a bit different because I have a cold finger for additional cooling, not needed in our application. You can see that I turned off the cooling. Vinegar vapors are blasting out of the top of the still head. I ran it like this for a bit, so I could expose even the top part of the still to the cleaning vapors.
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2) Sacrificial alcohol run: Although vinegar does a good job of cleaning, you will need to make sure you expose your still to hot alcohol vapors to dissolve the things that are more soluble in alcohol. You can use old wine, booze, or you could make your own with sugar, nutrients, and yeast (ferment your own wash). It does feel wasteful, but you must make certain that the still and boiler are clean. Everything you collect from this run must be discarded.


Once you have done this cleaning, most people will do it again in several months/year. The one thing about using the still to produce oil is that the inside gets a bit sticky...for obvious reasons. Just keep an eye on things. If it looks like it is getting grimy and sticky...just run some clean alcohol through it. Since the still processes high ABV alcohol, they do not need much cleaning just a rinsing between jobs.


How to make a PTFE gasket:
You noticed the Teflon gasket in the video. This is not my design. I am going to refer you to homedistiller.org forum discussion on the topic. It is a simple concept. It is cardboard that you wrap with plumber's Teflon tape several layers. If done correctly, it can last dozens of runs. It is important that you do not use corrugated cardboard -- it contains glues etc. Use fiber-compressed cardboard, like the stuff cereal boxes are made out of -- you will have to find some without printing on it. Follow this link: http://homedistiller.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=24199

If you have experience running stills, you will probably know that one strategy the old moonshiners would use to seal up their still (in place of a gasket) is flour past. The concept being that when the hot vapors hit the sticky flour paste, it will steam-cook-expand and seal the still. This works wonderful for producing alcohol, but I don't think it is reasonable for this application. Moonshiners do not have to worry if a bit of flour paste melts/falls into their boiler. They are only concerned about what is coming out of the condenser. However, when we concentrate our oil we do not want to contaminate it with cooked flour. So flour-paste is a no-no.
 

Fadedawg

Well-Known Member
Thanks for sharing PW! I'm looking forward to the rest of your presentation.

We are currently using a simple DIY pot still for recovery and recycle, which I whomped up out of an asparagus steamer, with an ice water condenser made from copper coils and a stainless salad bowl.

I'm building a compound fractionating still myself this year, using all stainless and glass parts. That will allow us to make our own 95.5% out of a sugar wash and cracked corn from the feed store. One of our associates has one operating in SoCal producing 194 proof and looking at vacuum upgrades.


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Pyewacket

Well-Known Member
Awesome! I have an LM reflux that I use to produce all my solvent. Actually, I make my sugar wash and produce CO2 for my plants...strip it, and run it in my 2inch reflux. 42inch copper reflux column. I can dial it into azeotrope easy and pull off at 95.5% ABV. I have a couple sets of these fermentors. I feed the airlock tubes into the grow room, and I cycle them through flowering. I do it a few times during bloom...I end up with a few gallons of 95.5% when all is said and done. It may or may not help with bud growth...can't hurt :)

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vacpurge

New Member
that is one hell of a first post/ tutorial.

+rep to you man, that probably took a very long time and was very well written and detailed. youre an intelligent man... I wish there were more like you!!

thanks.
 

adam soza

Active Member
Glad to have you!!! It's obvious you have a lot of knowledge to share. I look forward to interacting with you on the board and learning as much as I can. Thanks.
 

Guzias1

Well-Known Member
could we distill 91% iso, and have a higher proof alcohol without buying the expensive everclear? the other 9% is water,
just wondering!
 

Pyewacket

Well-Known Member
Thanks folks for the warm welcome. I will do my best to contribute where/when I can on subjects such as this. However, I am very limited in my knowledge on so many aspects of growing, cultivating, and other methods of processing; that is why am thankful for your help over the past months.

could we distill 91% iso, and have a higher proof alcohol without buying the expensive everclear? the other 9% is water,
just wondering!
You could use ISO in very much the same way as ethanol. The extra water will interact with the water soluble constituents of your vegetation...leaving you with a less pure product in the end. I believe that ISO has a higher boiling point. This only means that temps would be different than what I have shown in the video(they would be different anyway due a number of variables). I do want to clarify that, outside of a chem lab years ago in college, I have not distilled ISO. I would not recommend using it because it is really not meant for human consumption. The likelihood of residual ISO being left behind is great. Now, it would be in small amounts and you could do a careful job of removing as much as you possibly can. So, for some, it is acceptable.

If you use an apparatus like the one above, you only lose about 1cup per run. Meaning, you reclaim the lions share of your solvent. I know that everclear is expensive, but after the initial investment it is relatively cheap because you are reusing it over and over again.

I make my own 95.5% using a sugar wash; feeding my plants the CO2 from the production as I mentioned above. To be honest, the still that I made in the video is capable of making 95.5%. You would need a valve $5 at homedepot, a 1" column extension, and packing to put in the column. It would take the better part of a day to produce the solvent...because it is such a small still...I have done it many times with the still you saw me using in the video.

Same still--producing 95.5% from sugar wash
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vacpurge

New Member
I thought you could turn 70% ISO into 99% ISO via adding a lot of salt to it... the salt binds with the water and sinks, you then take a turkey baster and suck up the remaining fluid at the top, which is damn near 99% ISO... is that true?
 

Pyewacket

Well-Known Member
Yes, ISO you can dehydrate...salt out the water in ISO. Unfortunately it will still be ISO. I thought this was a good write-up on the process:
http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Salt-Out/

Also, read some of the pitfalls that people experience with the method...could be problematic to what we are using it for. Also, it may or may not actually give you greater than 91%...you could probably find better techniques out there. Myself, I will stick with food grade stuff.
 

vacpurge

New Member
interesting. I also like everclear more than ISO... but I like butane more than everclear :p

thanks for the answer.
 

Pyewacket

Well-Known Member
interesting. I also like everclear more than ISO... but I like butane more than everclear
I don't have a lot of experience with butane as a solvent, but it does look like folks have found a way to produce a safe product using it. That's what matters to me.

Since I am comfortable soldering copper/stainless, I bet a person could make a nice extraction canister using those materials...I bet many have already. Gonna keep reading up on these topics for sure.
 

Pyewacket

Well-Known Member
I added a section at the bottom of the second post. Some basic information about cleaning the still and creating the gasket.
 

oilmkr420

Active Member
I fell the same way, so I purchased 100% ethanol non-denatured and spent $103 for a gallon of the shit. The msds was scarier than butanes for several reasons, mainly the lethal dose was the most interesting factor. Ethanol also contains cyto-toxins that are about 200 times greater than that of a co2 extract.
Hello folks. I have been enjoying grabbing information over the last several months but not sharing anything, sorry. I just introduced myself and would like to share my method for extracting THC oil using food grade Etoh. I am a big DIY fan. I believe a lot of what we can do ourselves is superior than what can otherwise be purchased/produced in a lab. An example of this would be creating a distillation apparatus that is safe, easy to use, and can produce a wonderful product.

I have been making my wife THC-oil to help her control severe anxiety. She is unable to smoke due to lung/allergy sensitivities, so producing a concentrate that can easily be converted into glycerin sublingual drops or edibles is essential to us.

I will be breaking this into two posts. This post -- will include a video that will cover how I process buds and make the actual oil. A second post will follow. I will cover how to make the actual distiller and boiler connections -- this post will contain a lot of information. It is important that it is built correctly -- advanced DIY project for most.

The reason that I have taken this path is because I am always concerned about producing something safe. I use 95.5% food grade alcohol (everclear). I will not use denatured alcohol or any other solvent that could provide a toxic product. I will not compromise, I am making this for my wife. I will not provide a product that has the potential of leaving toxic residue behind. We have spent years trying to get her off of the toxic stuff the old doc knows...not interested anymore. I make my own equipment because it is important, especially using 95.5%, that you do not use anything synthetic in the process. People use air-distillers/water distillers and others that you can purchase...most were never intended the use of 95/5% alcohol. They use synthetics in the production of their stills. Also, you will see DIY people that use all sorts of rubber/plastics liberally when working with the solvents...that is not for me.

Using plastics/rubbers or the like will break down into your medicine...once again, not interested. I will use Teflon. I have tested teflon the best I can, I have also seen others test Teflon and the consensus is that Teflon does not break down in the presence of high ABV alcohol. Every other material used is either: Copper, Stainless Steel, lead free plumbers silver solder. By using a proper distilling apparatus you can reclaim most of your expensive alcohol. This is not only of economical benefit, but it is a much safer way to do it.

I know this is not for everyone. It is heady and involved. Probably boring for a lot. I am also not criticizing any of the other methods. I just know what works for me. I am also learning a lot from some of the other methods, as I have been reading through the threads on this topic.

Here is the first video. How to process bud and operate a home-made distiller to make Etoh THC-oil.
[video=youtube;2IdsFcEayCE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IdsFcEayCE[/video]
 

Pyewacket

Well-Known Member
I am actually very interested in the CO2 method. I am not criticizing this method or any other method. I am comfortable with Etoh. Alcohol has a rather large history with man. The consequence of its consumption is well know from an industrial perspective(SDS), and a nutritional perspective. Meaning, we have clinical guidelines and nutritional guidelines that can help us make choices; in far greater detail than what the MSDS may or may not show alone. It is worth noting that the MSDS is designed for acute exposure, and that it is not designed to comment on chronic use...or use within nutritional context. It is a good way to understand acute exposure when something is spilled, or otherwise liberated in industry/environment. It is a good bit of information for the clinician (even the consumer) on this type of exposure, but it is not complete. I can give you the perspective of a health care professional, and a person that produces his own solvent.

1) As a health care professional, I have seen the real results of butane exposure. I have known one family in particular that lost their son as a result of huffing the solvent. I know Zero acceptable levels by which butane can be directly consumed from a nutritional perspective. Is it used as a solvent for biological use? Yes it has. Do I believe it can be used safely, probably...so long as care is taken to remove as much as feasibly possible. This is not my something I have experience with, so I would not be comfortable using it. Again, I am not criticizing anyone's methods. As a mater of fact, I have read some that appear to take great care in the removal of the solvent. Most appear to understand the consequences of liberating the solvent and take fire hazard and respiratory consequences serious during extraction.

2) Denatured alcohol. Ethanol with methyl alcohol added, or some other substance to make it unfit for consumption . Methanol is connected with a number of neurological ailments. While the MSDS does not paint a complete picture, clinically, a dozen milliliters of the stuff can cause blindness. A few dozen milliliters can be fatal. One byproduct of making ethanol is a small production of methanol. Care is taken to remove it, easy enough to do since it is a lighter distillate and can be removed at the beginning of production. From a distiller's perspective, great care is used to remove it. The government demands it to be incorporated into non-taxed alcohol so that you will not consume it; you will be forced to purchase the taxed version.

3) CO2 is consumed/created/inhaled within normal human physiology. It is made in perfusion in the body and exhaled out of your lungs every breath (waste product of cellular metabolism). However, read the MSDS and it will terrify you. I am talking about CO2 NOT monoxide. Yes, respiratory distress is a very real consequence of being exposed to it from an industrial standpoint. If it is liberated into the environment in perfusion, it can saturate your blood. CO2 has an incredible effect on the central nervous system in controlling respiration. Please, see hypercapnia for a clinical context. The fact is that nothing regulates respiration like CO2 levels, not even depleting oxygen levels. Can you extract safely in a well ventilated environment? I should think you could. You know more about this thn me.

4) Ethanol. MSDS is certainly scarey, industrial exposure absolutely. As part of the diet, we have a ton of research...because it is a part of many people's diet, and it has been for millennia. Used as a drug in moderation, medicine preparations, and other consumables is considered relatively safe. In moderation, some evidence suggests that it is reasonable and perhaps there are some positive health consequences to its consumption. Chronic abuse leads to a number of catastrophic ailments from liver toxicity to all sorts of end-organ diseases. Unfortunately, I have and many others have watched the abuse of this drug take the lives of patients and family members. When producing this oil, the amount consumed would be extremely low...certainly nothing as severe as the exposure you could accidentally experience using it as a solvent in industry. If I had to guess, your cherry-cordial chocolate would have more alcohol than the residual left in the oil; also found in plenty of other foods you eat on a regular basis - probably unknown - you consume daily. This solvent is also VERY dangerous to use if you allow it to escape into the environment, especially when using it at such a HIGH ABV. In terms of fire hazard, it is almost like cooking gasoline on your stove top. Letting explosive fumes fill your house is a recipe for disaster. Hence the use of a proper distiller -- and the main reason I thought I would share how I do it.

Humans are experimental by nature. We are omnivores, we are always faced with some sort of dilemma by which we consume. Even some of the foods that we think are safe but consume regularly, can cause problems: Check out the MSDS for vegetable oil. When considering medicine, alcohol or other drugs designed to produce some sort of non-physiologic effect or mimic a physiologic one...we rarely get to have our cake and eat it to. Sometimes it is about picking your poison -- or hopefully a less poisonous one.
 

vacpurge

New Member
please dont get oilmkr started on his c02 shit.

quick heads up for ya Pyewacket. this guy will, and has done for months, come into your thread and tell you how his sub critical c02 extraction methods are better than yours. BUT, he wont back-up ANY of his info, provide any numbers, or any of his techniques because he feels "were not advanced enough for that kind of information". then the one time he posted a video, his "lab" looked to be that of an abandoned shed in the back of some crack shack that belonged to a guy who hoarded junk his whole life. him and his fellow "chemists" looked/sounded like they belonged in the mens shelter... "finshaggy" types of characters if you will. so if you were expecting a nice, informative, intelligent post from oilmkr, youre going to be sadly disappointed.

someone correct me if im wrong.
 
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