Northern Farmer Stadium Grow , Vertical

2 volksgardens is 4 grand and they will give you 10 points off for getting 2 to thats 3600 dollars and the thing doesnt take more then 10 minutes to assemble and you can move it through a doorway assembled and full of plants - if you need to move it you can do it in under a minute. there is no way you are gonna take down the room you have in this thread in a minute. there is nothing illegal about having volksgardens
here is a youtube video of the assembly YouTube - VolksGarden
and its only 5 minutes long

Are you a sponsor here Omegafarmer??

Most forums don't take kindly to commercial posts. All I can find is you peddling your gardens every chance you get.

If I'm wrong I'll eat the crow no problem, but for now just calling what I see,

-OGH

no i am not but i do have experience and if i see dissinfo i speak - if questions are asked i offer answers - i have done the dirt thing like you see in this post only better with water-cooled lighting - built many hydro type systems - built aero systems - stacked systems one on top the other -

but in the end NOTHING BEETS AN OMEGA ROTATING GARDEN!!! and the Volksgarden is the sweetest one so far - my 90 year old mother could outgrow anyone on this forum if she had the omega advantage

omegafarmer said:

sorry guys but the same can be done with 2 volksgardens in 1/4 of the space with about 1/3 of the light and 1/10 of the labor and in less time

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In that original grow thread Northern Farmer said he could squish up to 220 plants in the stadium in 1 gallon bags all getting about 2 ft high. A volksgarden can hold 80 3" rockwool cubes, so 2 of them could hold 160, and the total diameter of the wheel is less than 3 feet, which means you have less than 1.5 feet per plant. How do you figure the 2 volksgardens will get equal production? The plants would have less room, less medium, and less light.

eta: I guess the dimensions are actually 51"L x 32"D x 64H", so I guess the entire diameter is about four feet, but the inside diameter (ie room for growth) is clearly a lot less so I"ll stick with guessing less than a foot and a half height per plant.

lurker said:

In that original grow thread Northern Farmer said he could squish up to 220 plants in the stadium in 1 gallon bags all getting about 2 ft high. A volksgarden can hold 80 3" rockwool cubes, so 2 of them could hold 160, and the total diameter of the wheel is less than 3 feet, which means you have less than 1.5 feet per plant. How do you figure the 2 volksgardens will get equal production? The plants would have less room, less medium, and less light.

eta: I guess the dimensions are actually 51"L x 32"D x 64H", so I guess the entire diameter is about four feet, but the inside diameter (ie room for growth) is clearly a lot less so I"ll stick with guessing less than a foot and a half height per plant.

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hmm, im not here to argue about who grows more freakin buds, i mean id rather see the whole world growing. but i also have an honest opinion that those units are too costly and me especially after having a close call with the law am thinking very much about takedown time, and cut your losses costs. and 4,000 is a lot on those small gardens, there plastic, and also the vertical stadium is genius, noone can deny, dirt cheap all the way for commercial quality production. and one could argue like lurker there may be higher output than the omega. and thats not even touching venting and odor control and the other 4,000 one may spend for the rest of the environment. so save your money and well said lurker

lurker said:

In that original grow thread Northern Farmer said he could squish up to 220 plants in the stadium in 1 gallon bags all getting about 2 ft high. A volksgarden can hold 80 3" rockwool cubes, so 2 of them could hold 160, and the total diameter of the wheel is less than 3 feet, which means you have less than 1.5 feet per plant. How do you figure the 2 volksgardens will get equal production? The plants would have less room, less medium, and less light.

eta: I guess the dimensions are actually 51"L x 32"D x 64H", so I guess the entire diameter is about four feet, but the inside diameter (ie room for growth) is clearly a lot less so I"ll stick with guessing less than a foot and a half height per plant.

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the number of plants is not directly connected to the amount of yield, you could have 10,000 plants in that room and not get any more out of it then it's producing now. if you wish to grow industrial hemp then you grow at 1 inch centers and you end up with 1 foot or more between internodes.

rotating a plant slowly head over heals compacts a plant and makes it grow in all directions, well really it's growing up away from gravity but the 'up' keep changing so you end up with more plant material in less space.

as far as the amount of light you have for each plant you have to divide the overall lighting by the overall area that is being utilized. the amount of light that reaching your plants 1/4s with every foot distance away from the source so if you lamp is rated at say 100,000 lumens at 1 foot from the lamp then at 2 foot its 25,000 lumens and 3 foot its 8,250 lumens and 4 foot is only 2,062 lumens.

all of your plants in a wheel are perfectly aligned to the light and are within 18 inches to the light and most of it is within a foot of the light.

the light in the wheel is in a cool-tube allowing the plants to be in the zone that is too hot to be in without cooling so in reality it's are receiving outputs that are many times more then this other setup eg. plants that are 2 foot further from the light are going to receive 16 times less light, if they are 3 foot further then they receive 64 times less light.

Well, I could see you getting better results because you are closer to the light and overcoming less medium because it's a hydroponic system, but there is still very little room for each plant. By my calculations (51/2 minus 3 for the rockwool cube minus 3 for half the cooltube diameter) gives the plant 19.5 inches before it's actually rubbing against the light. Also, if they are packed in, there are only about 3-6 inches between each plant. So how much do you average per plant? The omegagarden's website says in their "What can I grow" page:

Fruit bearing plants of small to mid size also have demonstrated good growing yields in the Omega Gardens. Due to the rotation of the cylinders, larger fruits or heavier objects may need to be staked or suspended but a little tender care will go along way.

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So how much screening or staking do you have to do? How do you attach the supports?

I think if he's going to peddle his wares on here he should be paying..

We all know certain systems are better IN SOME respects to others and everyone has there own way of doing things.... I myself am not a big fan of my plants rotating upside down.. How I look at it is there's tooo many connections etc that to me could go wrong and make me have an issue.. With the stadium approach to me It's pretty much fool proof in a sense... ok that's my $0.02 Im going to go work on my walk-in grow closet Im setting up(without a volksgarden or any of that other crap=)...LOL

oh Marge your just a tool of the dog house makers. I however am just an omega wheel enthusiast and not associated with the company. I do however enjoy math and science and this type of system has it all over flatland in a way that most people seem to miss.

There is no need to tie down our favorite plant, I believe they are referring to food type plants when they are talking about heavy fruiting.

The volksgarden differs from the omega in that there is 9 inch centers radially around the wheel instead of 6 inches in the omega and it's up to you how many you run laterally up to 5 per row at 16 rows. you might space it 4 in one row and 3 in the next alternating for a total of 56 plants giving you plenty of room to grow 1.5 once plants.

Its a cool setup but it could be better.add some vertical umbrella reflectors to save up light and make it a hydro version which I have seen done and done smaller versions of..Watering and all the leftover dirt would suck but its a nice setup for sure but so are the megas and rotogardens.I can see both as good setups but I would do it hydro and do it faster cleaner and easier maintennce.Good post though interesting..yeah 1000 watt mh bulbs are cheap I got a case of them laying around here total of 12. I used those for maybe 250 total hours if ya need one $25 a pop plus shipping I dont need but 4 now anyways lol omega can state his opinion no issues thats what makes a good forum. He stated his opinion and why.Sounds good to me

how do you dispose of 100s of rockwool cubes. serious, do you put them in the garbage? how you get rid of that.what you do with all those cubes. id be buggin thinkin the garbageman seen 100 cubes with roots in them

well my rockwell cubes are 2 inch cubes so I have about a large sandwhich bag full of used rockwool when done with a grow.I always just throw my root scraps in my lawn chipper and then then they get dumped or burnt away from thier home ..no muss no fuss

fuck that just hook up gravity feed driper systems and use dirt hydro would use up to much electric in there not to mention all the sockets ud need and burning out the main line cause tmuch electric being run threw the current but that be sweet to have look at all those plants fucking lovely id be in heaven to have that

letmeblazemyfuckingbong said:

fuck that just hook up gravity feed driper systems and use dirt hydro would use up to much electric in there not to mention all the sockets ud need and burning out the main line cause tmuch electric being run threw the current but that be sweet to have look at all those plants fucking lovely id be in heaven to have that

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Why would hydro use significantly more electricity than soil? You would be adding (at most) - two pumps, a chiller and a heater - but most folks just use a pump or two.

bearo420 said:

how do you dispose of 100s of rockwool cubes. serious, do you put them in the garbage? how you get rid of that.what you do with all those cubes. id be buggin thinkin the garbageman seen 100 cubes with roots in them

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find a dumpster for them. there are alternatives to rock-wool as well that can be found with a little searching. jiffy has a product called Preforma Plant Plugs that are available in many different shapes and sizes, it's a peat material bound with vegetable polymers that is certified organic and could be turned into your garden or reused as house plant medium etc.

depends on witch kind of hydro system u use if u use bubbler u need a air stone in each bucket and that be alot of buckets in there i think it knock ur elctric bill up im all about using the lest amount of money

letmeblazemyfuckingbong said:

depends on witch kind of hydro system u use if u use bubbler u need a air stone in each bucket and that be alot of buckets in there i think it knock ur elctric bill up im all about using the lest amount of money

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okey-dokey - i use an aeroponic system so have a pump and a bubbler but the lights are what drives up my electric bill. If it weren't for the lights, i doubt i'd even notice the jump with everything else running.

im gonna do a drip feed to dirt in a few. already got the 8 port octopus splitter, just being lazy, and i dont have 8 plants in bloom so not worth it yet. but yeah i can see it adding to the bill. i mean if you get a heavy wattage water heater, a heavy gph pump, and multiply that by 24 hours, it adds up. and then multiply that by 2-4 depending on trays and setup.

my thing now is, dont invest anything your not willing to walk out on or lose since its all illegal and just may happen. kiss. keep it simple stupid. more complicated more cost, more things to go wrong.

and lastly how do you get those omegas delivered. i mean if the round part is one piece that must be a HUGO freaking box. and it must weigh a ton with all the stuff, cooltube and trays and all that. and if it says omega garden in big bold letters on the box, isnt that insane, i mean imagine all the delivery people laughing and reporting it delivering it to an apartment or house.

bearo420 said:

im gonna do a drip feed to dirt in a few. already got the 8 port octopus splitter, just being lazy, and i dont have 8 plants in bloom so not worth it yet. but yeah i can see it adding to the bill. i mean if you get a heavy wattage water heater, a heavy gph pump, and multiply that by 24 hours, it adds up. and then multiply that by 2-4 depending on trays and setup.

my thing now is, dont invest anything your not willing to walk out on or lose since its all illegal and just may happen. kiss. keep it simple stupid. more complicated more cost, more things to go wrong.

and lastly how do you get those omegas delivered. i mean if the round part is one piece that must be a HUGO freaking box. and it must weigh a ton with all the stuff, cooltube and trays and all that. and if it says omega garden in big bold letters on the box, isnt that insane, i mean imagine all the delivery people laughing and reporting it delivering it to an apartment or house.

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when i got mine they told me that it could be delivered anyplace i wanted it but one option was for me to pick it up at the loading doc of the shipping company so thats what I did, and I didn't have to show ID or any crap like that. they told me that they stock on both sides of the Can/US border so you don't have to import anything, it was easy. there where no markings on the boxes and they where rapped in black shrink rap so you couldn't see the boxes anyway so they are discrete no problem.

two boxes for one volksgarden and it was less then 100 lbs with everything.

well i dont know much about hydro just how to build em never use em never want to i heard flushing with them is a bitch plus u got to change and or clean the buckets really well to much of a hassle