not flushing chemical fertilizer out of plants
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whitebb2727
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Mulch. I still get the occasional weed but not bad.
I forgot. I lay cardboard between the rows and then mulch.
Resinhound
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Look you seem like a reasonable fellow so I'm gonna go ahead and give you something simple to think about.
There are 2 types of nutrients that plants utilize mobile and immobile. Mobile nutrients can move all through the plant and be shuttled from place to place withing the plant as needed. Immobile nutrients can only move up the plant and will stay where they are utilized. Hence why they are called IMMOBILE nutrients.
These 2 points are not opinion, this is not what we think may happen...
This is scientific FACT. PERIOD.
Now knowing that this is a fact, please explain to us how watering a plant removes these immobile nutrients from the tissues.
This is only half the story of course, but unless you can provide a reasonable hypothesis how this can take place, it's pretty safe to assume from a scientific standpoint, flushing nutrients from a plant is total nonsense.
Lucky Luke
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never been to America.
2 acres of corn is not very big at all. Most paddocks are at least 10 acres. I live on 1 and 1/2 acres.
Once upon a time small plots could yield a yearly income. Not these days, hence the term "hobby farm".
Lucky Luke
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Soil and flushing ends up a sodden mess of mud. Roots cannot breath and plant starts to die from over watering and no oxygen.
Why would anyone do this to a plant I dont know.
Why would anyone do this to a plant I dont know.
Budddha
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Odin*
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Don't misinterpret what I am about to say as I KNOW that "Flushing" is only necessary in the event that someone "bonered" and severely over "nut'd" (like "shotgun to the face", both inuendos intended).
The above does not refute the "Flush your girls good, like a wicked #2". The fact that a given "nutrient" is immobile does not mean that "Flushing" will not decrease the levels of that given nutrient in the plant, nor does mobile suggest that a given "nutrient" is more likely to be removed by "Flushing". Regardless of "immobile" or "mobile", these nutrients are distributed and USED within the plant. Starving the plant of either will result in exhaustion of these stores. Mobile, or not, "Flushing" will result in deficiencies/imbalances.
So, although "Flushing" is not a requirement/benefit (without "Mega Fail"), it is indifferent to "mobility".
Budley Doright
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First let me say I don't flush....but if u want to then have at'er would be my answer without getting all upset if u wanted to. Just throwing this out there but mobile or not, if you stopped feeding them would the plant not use up any stored nutrients that were in the plant to compensate? Just wanting to clarify what if anything happens to the stored nutrients.
Resinhound
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As I said it is only half the story... I don't believe the concept is totally indifferent to nutrient mobility.But that's besides the point, my point was just to give a simple example of why the concept of flushing is flawed.
Resinhound
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The plant would move mobile nutrients to new growth, immobile nutrients couldn't be moved to new growth. This will cause deficiencies of these key nutrients. What do you think happens when you overfertilize? When you have concentrations of immobile nutrients within the plant.
Budley Doright
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Both mobile and immobile would be used by the plant to try and stay alive? Again not arguing for or against just trying to get a better understanding of the process. When some say you cannot remove the nutrients from the plant by flushing I agree but can you get the plant to use what it has stored? I have plants outdoors and could probably feed extremely heavy and still get sun leaf fade but indoors this does not happen so much ..... why, only thing I can come up with is the temps being way colder outdoors near finish.
Here is one that is fading out lots but still being fed.That's good he must be so proud of you. Do what you like with your plants when you grow one. Some people use this plant for legit medical reasons and come to these sights to learn how to grow. There's so much misinformation on these forums it's ridiculous and it comes from guys like you. You haven't done one grow, never mind doing multiple grows to compare different technique's. If you want to use the "I heard" method of growing that's your choice, but you shouldn't post something as fact without some first hand knowledge. This is why the only places you'll see this kind of debate is on weed forums, overnight experts who repeat shit so much people believe it as fact. Living next to an airport doesn't qualify you as a pilot.
Make sure the peanuts and grapes were flushed properly, I heard you could get anal warts if you don't.
Can I get some peanut butter and bread to go with the jelly?
TigerSquad
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Everyone's acting like the shut I'm saying is unbacked nonsense l. Like It's just made up.
It is fact that plants store salts and it is pulled outta cow shit and all the other bio waste they put in fertz ... go ahead tell somebody who has cancer they're smoking weed that hasn't been flushed and still contains salts that built up in the plants from bat shit, cow shit, earthworm shit... No one that has aids or cancer of any type will want that if there trying to get better...
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Resinhound
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Just trying to understand how you think the plant is going to utilize immobile nutrients anywhere but new growth. IT can't move immobile nutrients around. If it's not getting them it can't move them from other areas of the plant.
CriticalCheeze
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Not getting involved with the flushing thing but honestly I've never heard of soil farms flushing their crops, I do know that lots of hydro tomatoe farms flush but think it's more to get excess salts out of media for next run. Farms are not classed by size here but by income generated which is $7000 so yup 10 acres is a farm, if you do it right.
That may be the case for where your located, but up here in maine to be fully recognized as a full function farm it is 180 acres. Anything under is just like luke said. except it is up to 180 acres and not 100
growman3666
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Exactly, now I havent faded in close to 5 years now.
I am another firm believer in the absolute fact that a proper dry and cure is what its all about. I do not notice a difference in smoke now between when i would purposely fade.
Your correct new growth is affected first by deficiencies in an immobile nutrient. So would that not mean a deficient nutrient in a plant is going to be less in the final product? What i am trying to say, is that the only way I believe that you may get all of your "harsh chemicals" out would be to completely deplete the plant until it is nearly lacking everything. Based on common plant science this wont be possible to achieve without severe necrosis. Necrotic buds are not a good smoke.. So no your never going to get all of the chemicals out of the buds. In fact the buds are the last places for nutrients to leave. By the time that happens the plant is basically dead. Not too mention the amount of time it takes to achieve this (3 + weeks of no nutients) is taking away from the most key time in bud growth.
As long as the plant is alive there will be chemicals and nutrients in it.
roseypeach
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LOLIf this helps any they were delicious rosey ...sweet and crisp and delicious ....I'm about to back it up with some banana og ...that way I get my fruit intake also ...balanced and healthy .....I like the way you think
ah ha!
banana og and rice krispies, sounds right up my alley!
CriticalCheeze
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We still are wrong though i bet... lol ridiculous.
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