Notorious BIG > Everyone Else.

rap isn't even rap anymore. Just a bunch of socialist propaganda

Why the fuck is sandbagger and all these DOUCHEBAG rap haters even talking on this thread?? Go Fuck off why dont ya! LOL

Usually people i see posting in music threads have the decency and common respect for different music styles. not some little fucking small close minded dicks typing nonsense about an interpretive/preferential art medium. Music.

There's fuckloads of different styles of msuic out there. dont like it, dont fucking listen to it. and certainly do not go to where people talk about something you hate in order to try and convince them they're stupid you fucking worthless asshat.


ANY-fucking-WAYS..


B.I.G. is dope and an essential artist for aspiring hip-hop appreciators and producers. A Tribe Called Quest, Bus Driver, The Outsidaz, J-Dilla, The Pharcyde, & Big L. Thats all i can think of right now.. but i see all these guys as the innovators and the gods of rap/hiphop. So i dont know if id put any of them above each other. They all influenced and still influence generations of interested people like writers, anthropologists, musicians, and slam poets.


The rap classic's will always have a place in my heart. But i cant go on w/out mentioning some of the new groups out there who are barely heard of but still have so much influence and respect for the greats. PLus, they have great beats!

Immortal Technique
Diabolic

GDP
Pistol
Shape
Vida Killz

http://slangcorp.com/

the four names in Italics are from the Slangcorp crew.

InCognition said:

You really have to just laugh at the people who try to force their opinion on others, that "rap is not music"... it's comparable to that of an extremely religious person pushing their beliefs on an atheist. Music comes in all shapes and forms. You don't have to play an instrument AND use your voice to make music. In fact you don't need to do either. All you need is a computer and you can still create amazing music.

Those who TELL others rap is not music, is just another way of saying "hey I'm ignorant".

I think this post might start a war with the self-righteous, "rap-is-not-music" folks... it's alright though because they will just further display their self-righteous ignorance.

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lol, YEYEUH! Gotta love the haters.

Biggie + Sinatra. Google it and enjoy

Never got why people think mainstream rappers like Biggie and Pac are the GOAT. There are plenty of underground rappers that are lyrically superior, speak about real shit more, and are "harder" than both of them, which matters to some people. Not saying that makes a rapper better than either Pac or Biggie, just saying those are always points that Biggie or Pac elitists bring up in a debate. Just because Pac and Biggie were big and good doesn't mean they were the best, sure they were great but to say they were the GOAT and always will be is madness. There are some many types of rappers in the game right now, in my mind two of the main groups are basically Political rap & "Real" hard rap. Political rap being people like Diabolic, Beast 1333, Tech n9ne, Prozak, ect. Both of which have rappers that are killing the game. When people say the rap game is dead they just need to look the fuck around, back in the day not just anyone could make a well produced Music video, now everyone has a computer and can show their skills. I think when people say that the game is dead they are looking at the mainstream environment, like MMG and Young Money fag bullshit. You can't argue that, mainstream rap is dead right now, but underground thrives motherfuckers! Biggie and Pac will always be legends, no matter what, but don't go saying that they will always be the GOAT, because I won't be believing you aha.

Systehm said:

Never got why people think mainstream rappers like Biggie and Pac are the GOAT. There are plenty of underground rappers that are lyrically superior, speak about real shit more, and are "harder" than both of them, which matters to some people. Not saying that makes a rapper better than either Pac or Biggie, just saying those are always points that Biggie or Pac elitists bring up in a debate. Just because Pac and Biggie were big and good doesn't mean they were the best, sure they were great but to say they were the GOAT and always will be is madness. There are some many types of rappers in the game right now, in my mind two of the main groups are basically Political rap & "Real" hard rap. Political rap being people like Diabolic, Beast 1333, Tech n9ne, Prozak, ect. Both of which have rappers that are killing the game. When people say the rap game is dead they just need to look the fuck around, back in the day not just anyone could make a well produced Music video, now everyone has a computer and can show their skills. I think when people say that the game is dead they are looking at the mainstream environment, like MMG and Young Money fag bullshit. You can't argue that, mainstream rap is dead right now, but underground thrives motherfuckers! Biggie and Pac will always be legends, no matter what, but don't go saying that they will always be the GOAT, because I won't be believing you aha.

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you make some good points.

i still say big and pac will be remembered as the GOAT even 20 years from now.

who today is really considered a "GOAT"? ppl like to throw nas, jay-z, lil wayne etc in the conversation but 1st off lil wayne probably will be remembered as a GOAT BUT i think thats more from the casual rap fans (the mainstream fanboys)

nas is great. he really will be remembered as a GOAT from true fans...mainstream has him pushed to the side...jay-z had good albums when he first came out (especially the first couple albums) but these days he's more like lil wayne than the jay-z i remember growing up.

today rap does suck balls. i wont lie. almost all the rappers i listen to are either underground, semi-underground/regionally famous or mainstream from back in the day (ie. 2pac, biggie, old jay-z, etc)

i dont really like any current mainstream artists...maybe a few but there aren't many. the closest i get to mainstream these days is probably e-40 (but i listened to him before national fame) and guys like curren$y but idk how "mainstream" you'd consider him as i really don't know how popular he is throughout the country or anything.

whats sad is though even when i search sites like datpiff for new music (most of it underground with some mainstream mixed in) even most of the underground these days is crap.

i find very few good artists these days.


whats happening to rap (or what already has) is what happened to other forms of music in the past...ie. heavy metal in the 80's was "good" and "cool" to start but then after everyone tried to cash in out it it became a watered down piece of crap genre with too many gimmick artists...then nirvana came along and killed em off heading into the 90s....

remember the pop-punk phenomenon in the mid 90s? remember guys like blink 182 and green day ruled the airwaves then ****** like simple plan and good charlotte came along and put that genre into the ground too.

same is happening to rap now. biggie, pac, big l, nas, old school jay z, snoop dogg, ruled the mainstream and then a bunch of jerkoffs tried to cash in on it and now we got lil wayne doing songs that aren't even rap. we got guys w/ gimmicks like soulja boy and drake (cant stand dudes voice) and gucci mane who just finds new ways to say "gucci" and "burr" shut the fuk up. i mean seriously. its all about "can i sell a million downloads on itunes w/ this track?"

i liked it that rappers of the past would put out good albums that you could listen to almost all the way from start to end and these days you might as well not buy the album because only 2-3 songs will be any good.

i haven't paid for a CD or MP3 album in MANY MANY MANY years. probably a decade. some will say im evil but i refuse to give money to this mainstream dumbasses that are all about a dollar and not so much about the music.

dont get me wrong...ill pay for the underground and local artists...but i refuse to give a dollar to those mainstream money hungry talentless losers. period.

btw this post wasnt directed at u systehm

Only people who know nothing about rap can consider Lil Wayne or Jay Z GOAT, let alone rappers. You are right, no one alive today can be considered the GOAT by many people. Underground will always live, whether mainstream rap completely dies off someday or not. I kind of wonder what the next new genre of music to be in the mainstream scene will be. Rap may die someday in the mainstream, which honestly I don't really care if it does or not, as long as underground rappers will always thrive in their own environments. Because the mainstream scene really will kill a rapper and make him do things he wouldn't have before in music for that fatter check.