Nute burn/deficiency. Any help?

Organics are taken in by the plant much differently

http://lifeofplant.blogspot.com/2011/01/root-uptake-system.html
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its active transport in the case of organics where the plant has to expend energy to selctively take in the nutrients so if theres an overabundance the plant can usually be ok since it can "choose" not to take up the nutrients due to the form theyre in. when you water with chemical nutrients as long as the concentration outside the roots is greater than the concentration in the roots the plant will uptake the nutrients making it easier to burn. i prefer using as much good organic stuff in my soil as i can so i dont have to use much bottled inorganic nutes. i never use nutrients till flower unless the plant asks for it

If you are using all organics, don't use ph up and down solutions, they are more harmful than good. It kills the microorganisms or some shit. I had problems all last year and the start of this year with organics. So I tried hydroponics the growth is much better but, it's too much work for me personally. So transplanted back to soil, I use a 50/50 mix of coco coir and biobizz allmix. But kept using the nutrients I had bought for hydro, canna aqua for recirculating systems. Using a PH and EC meter I just feed them low EC at first and build up the strength, correct the ph with ph down no problem I PH to around 6.0 never the same but never an extreme. I.e 6.3 on Tuesday, 6.0 Thursday, 5.8 Saturday.
Slowly go back up again.
Remove your damaged leaves but not all at the same time, one every day or 2.
I know this means changing your nutes but from my experience it's much easier to control and learn with. Here's a lil pic of mine yesterday.

cannn said:

Organics are taken in by the plant much differently

http://lifeofplant.blogspot.com/2011/01/root-uptake-system.html
scroll to ion uptake mechanisms

its active transport in the case of organics where the plant has to expend energy to selctively take in the nutrients so if theres an overabundance the plant can usually be ok since it can "choose" not to take up the nutrients due to the form theyre in. when you water with chemical nutrients as long as the concentration outside the roots is greater than the concentration in the roots the plant will uptake the nutrients making it easier to burn. i prefer using as much good organic stuff in my soil as i can so i dont have to use much bottled inorganic nutes. i never use nutrients till flower unless the plant asks for it

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Good to know that buddy, I mixed my soil with spagnum, vermiculite and worm castings. Recently I have transplante them to a 7 liters pot with the same mix. I will let the roots grow and cut the feeding until she show me signs of defs. Like I told above, I can spray some epson salts in case there is a mag def also.

Thanks for your help!

Cheesecakes said:

If you are using all organics, don't use ph up and down solutions, they are more harmful than good. It kills the microorganisms or some shit. I had problems all last year and the start of this year with organics. So I tried hydroponics the growth is much better but, it's too much work for me personally. So transplanted back to soil, I use a 50/50 mix of coco coir and biobizz allmix. But kept using the nutrients I had bought for hydro, canna aqua for recirculating systems. Using a PH and EC meter I just feed them low EC at first and build up the strength, correct the ph with ph down no problem I PH to around 6.0 never the same but never an extreme. I.e 6.3 on Tuesday, 6.0 Thursday, 5.8 Saturday.
Slowly go back up again.
Remove your damaged leaves but not all at the same time, one every day or 2.
I know this means changing your nutes but from my experience it's much easier to control and learn with. Here's a lil pic of mine yesterday.

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Yes, I will try only organics on my next grow. this time I have to play with what I choose, but anyway like I told you, Im not sure that biothrive its 100% organic. I will keep posting pictures of this grow and we see what happend.

Thanks for your help Bro!

Cheesecakes said:

If you are using all organics, don't use ph up and down solutions, they are more harmful than good. It kills the microorganisms or some shit. I had problems all last year and the start of this year with organics. So I tried hydroponics the growth is much better but, it's too much work for me personally. So transplanted back to soil, I use a 50/50 mix of coco coir and biobizz allmix. But kept using the nutrients I had bought for hydro, canna aqua for recirculating systems. Using a PH and EC meter I just feed them low EC at first and build up the strength, correct the ph with ph down no problem I PH to around 6.0 never the same but never an extreme. I.e 6.3 on Tuesday, 6.0 Thursday, 5.8 Saturday.
Slowly go back up again.
Remove your damaged leaves but not all at the same time, one every day or 2.
I know this means changing your nutes but from my experience it's much easier to control and learn with. Here's a lil pic of mine yesterday.

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yeah theres an organic ph up and down but ive heard bad things. better to focus on your soil ph in that case. ive used vinegar to adjust ph for a whole grow in soil before no problem, wouldn't ever suggest this in hydro as youll get mother of vinegar growing all in there and ive seen that cause problems for people. heard of ppl using baking soda to raise the ph. everyone says these only work for a little bit but if your putting it in proper ph soil itll at least reduce the potential stress and issues from the high or low ph being watered in before it gets buffered

CornerStone said:

Yes, I will try only organics on my next grow. this time I have to play with what I choose, but anyway like I told you, Im not sure that biothrive its 100% organic. I will keep posting pictures of this grow and we see what happend.

Thanks for your help Bro!

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yeah from those pics ive been looking all around for evidence its not. really doesnt look like it. never had that problem with my earth juice organics. never seemed like i could add enough.

CornerStone said:

Im using biothrive. they said that everything is organic food but its nutrients in a bottle anyway. Whats yout thoughts?

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I don't get how it can be called organic if it doesn't come from organic sources, ie life. Oh well, what do I know?
My idea of organic is when you get N from composted manure or bat shit or worm castings or composted leaf mold.
Organic sources are better bc they don't just isolate nutrients for the plant they involve whole systems that work together making a biologically active rhizosphere. It's a living community around the plants roots. Systems working together. The plants give (sugars) and the microbes take those carbs and in return the micoherd gives broken down nutrients that are readily available for the plant.
Giving inorganic sources of elements to plants works but it ignores the community of life living around the root zone. So it really doesn't work as well. You need to understand a little bit about that community if you want to go organic. It really does lead to a better quality product and if you're going to put something into your body don't you think you owe it to yourself to have the very best? You're worth it. Don't skimp.