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hotrodharley
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Yes bat guano works. They wouldn't mine it if it didn't.
Vindicated
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Use bat guano and manures when your growing outside in soil. Jungle Juice and similar products are designed to run clean in hydroponic systems. The plants themselves don't care how you provide them nutrients, so long as it's in a form that's available to them and that as a whole, your giving the plants a balanced diet.
The main concept behind organics is that soil is living (or full of living organisms) and your trying to feed the soil, not the plant. Feeding the soil doesn't mean pouring high quality organically derived nutrients into the soil. It really means, feed the microbes so they are able to do all the work of composting the organic matter, stabilizing the pH, and providing all the nutrients that your plants need as they need them, through symbiotic relationships. Example the fungi takes sugars from plants in return for providing phosphorus and to a lesser extent other micro nutrients.
Hydroponics is the exact opposite of organics. Instead of believing that plants need soil or living organisms to thrive, you take the position that your are able to supply everything the plants need through carefully calibrated nutrient solutions. Water just happens to be an easy medium to use, but you could also use coir, hydrocorn, or ditch mediums all together and spray the roots in time intervals like in aeroponic setups.
Organics has become really popular because it's so easy and people like the idea of 'going back to nature' or doing things as close to natural as possible. Manufactures of hydroponic solutions often try to woo organic soil growers by showing them organically derived hydroponic solutions. Basically telling them, look look, you can go organics in hydro too. It's a little ironic and funny, because hydro isn't designed for organics and shouldn't really be treated like organics. Organics in part also relies on natural weather patterns, pests, and pathogens, to help harden off plants. We really don't know everything about plants, but we know a lot. Luckily, organics doesn't require us to know everything. It's able to fill in the gaps because it's being doing this for millions of years.
Here's an example... say you want a land-race strain that can tolerate mold, mildew, pests and temperatures that are specific to your region. The best way to do this is outside using organic fertilizers. It's far more challenge to do this is in a lab like setup, which is what hydroponic aims to provide. Introducing even a few number of pests indoors can easily turn into an infestation, while outside natural predators will keep the plant eating pests in check. Trying to bring hydroponics outside isn't to great of an option either. A small rain storm can easily mess up your nutrient levels. You also don't get the disease resistance like you do in soil. You could ditch hydroponics and go with slow releasing synthetic fertilizers, but then you run into leaching and environmental problems because of the higher concentrations of nitrates & phosphorous, and for reasons we don't fully understand the micro populations seem to suffer as well.
This isn't to say hydroponics doesn't have a place. For sheer speed, consistency, and yield, hydroponics wins hands down. And it's only a matter of time before the costs of nutrients goes down, making hydroponics even more attractive. For indoor growers especially, hydro seems to deliver the best results.
The main concept behind organics is that soil is living (or full of living organisms) and your trying to feed the soil, not the plant. Feeding the soil doesn't mean pouring high quality organically derived nutrients into the soil. It really means, feed the microbes so they are able to do all the work of composting the organic matter, stabilizing the pH, and providing all the nutrients that your plants need as they need them, through symbiotic relationships. Example the fungi takes sugars from plants in return for providing phosphorus and to a lesser extent other micro nutrients.
Hydroponics is the exact opposite of organics. Instead of believing that plants need soil or living organisms to thrive, you take the position that your are able to supply everything the plants need through carefully calibrated nutrient solutions. Water just happens to be an easy medium to use, but you could also use coir, hydrocorn, or ditch mediums all together and spray the roots in time intervals like in aeroponic setups.
Organics has become really popular because it's so easy and people like the idea of 'going back to nature' or doing things as close to natural as possible. Manufactures of hydroponic solutions often try to woo organic soil growers by showing them organically derived hydroponic solutions. Basically telling them, look look, you can go organics in hydro too. It's a little ironic and funny, because hydro isn't designed for organics and shouldn't really be treated like organics. Organics in part also relies on natural weather patterns, pests, and pathogens, to help harden off plants. We really don't know everything about plants, but we know a lot. Luckily, organics doesn't require us to know everything. It's able to fill in the gaps because it's being doing this for millions of years.
Here's an example... say you want a land-race strain that can tolerate mold, mildew, pests and temperatures that are specific to your region. The best way to do this is outside using organic fertilizers. It's far more challenge to do this is in a lab like setup, which is what hydroponic aims to provide. Introducing even a few number of pests indoors can easily turn into an infestation, while outside natural predators will keep the plant eating pests in check. Trying to bring hydroponics outside isn't to great of an option either. A small rain storm can easily mess up your nutrient levels. You also don't get the disease resistance like you do in soil. You could ditch hydroponics and go with slow releasing synthetic fertilizers, but then you run into leaching and environmental problems because of the higher concentrations of nitrates & phosphorous, and for reasons we don't fully understand the micro populations seem to suffer as well.
This isn't to say hydroponics doesn't have a place. For sheer speed, consistency, and yield, hydroponics wins hands down. And it's only a matter of time before the costs of nutrients goes down, making hydroponics even more attractive. For indoor growers especially, hydro seems to deliver the best results.
Quality info buddy thanks for taking the time to write it all , I am on soil this grow but gonna go to a 4 pot wilma on the next grow with clay balls and rock wool and have on a drip feed system.i did see some like nat fly larvae in beggining but just did a light dose of hydrogen peroxide with water and killed them all no sign since, I am in uk growing stealth in a 2 meter square 8 ft high room I built in my concrete shed. Thanks again really helpful info