Nutrient companies are stealing our / your money. Lets talk about it!

All of this shit looks super great to me. I'm lighting up right now 'cause of these pics! Can't help it!!

why do you keep showing VEG shots... my dog can piss on a weed plant and veg the fucking thing... and i sure don't see 6 bulbs... maybe your mistaking the large reflectors for 2 bulbs..

i love how I'm a idiot and your putting plants on a cement basement floor.. stupid me... don't forget to wash your lab coat while your in your veg room!!

phil k said:

i love how I'm a idiot and your putting plants on a cement basement floor.. stupid me... don't forget to wash your lab coat while your in your veg room!!

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Yeah thats one of the rooms. U really need to use ur brain here buddy. Thats one of the 4 light rooms and i have another one identical to that.

Bcuz ur telling me the plants arent healthy those r the pics i got in veg.

I put up bloom pics too ur just an idiot.

One of my favorite exchanges was from you guys......

pk_boosted2 said:

Haha.. Lol u guys love to hate thats all i gotta say.. Clown season and trolls gallour.. U guys dont know good bud if it slapped u in the face. My strawberry is mid grade schwag? Lmao u wish ur flowers came out this fire thats a fuckin joke u guys r ridiculous.
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If this is mid grade, schwag then people must b smoking some garbage then lol

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chuck estevez said:

your schwag is seeded brah

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pk_boosted2 said:

Ummm. My buds def got no seeds in it but okay lol

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chuck estevez said:

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pk_boosted2 said:

So when they become over ripe they produce little banana flowers and its almost impossible not to have a seed here and there because of its genetics.

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Priceless

Got a question sounds like ???? sounds like these 2 guys are actual companies ??? WTF why fight get in a real ring and giver shit might be a better fight then may weather's last bout lol
this is crazy shit
and what are we fighting over again i am Soooooo lost haha

unwine99 said:

One of my favorite exchanges was from you guys......












Priceless

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Yeah. Bcuz people who dont know about original chem dog see a seed and all of sudden its "schwag". Seeds are no indication of quality or potency whatsoever and thats an amateur statement to being with. So anyone who knows true chem dog would understand that first its a clone only strain developed from a hermie plant. And when you flower the strain for too long it tends to produce a small amount of banana flowers. It also can occur from any minor stresses in environment. And I've also had a rare few hermie simply bcuz its genetically disposed to do so, and it produces a few seeds here and there no more than 5 at most Ive even had occur. That happened to be one of the few pieces in which it occurred amd I didnt even notice it myself.

Since its genetically predisposed and its not a hermaphrodite caused by environmentsl stresses and is actually a true hermaphrodite it only self pollinates on rare occasions but will not effect any other plants in the garden.

But anyone w the chem dog knows this but thats whatever. He was just trying to stir the pot per usual. LOL

Darth Vapour said:

Got a question sounds like ???? sounds like these 2 guys are actual companies ??? WTF why fight get in a real ring and giver shit might be a better fight then may weather's last bout lol
this is crazy shit
and what are we fighting over again i am Soooooo lost haha

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People who think they are never wrong. And cant content to the fact like people such as myself who uses nutrients such as AN and Canna are "idiots". So these knuckleheads have to try and talk shit and make stuff up bcuz they got nothing better to do with their time.

Im just tired of arguing w amateur growers who have 1 light up in a closet wanna tell me how to grow and wtf im doing. Simply based on fact that I tell people that using AN and Canna produced top quality shit compared to bs nutrients like Dyna Gro. Which is fact not fiction.

I wanna see more pics while there's still a pissing contest a-happenin'

total STRESS weed^^^^^lol

The trifecta. Mature cola / dense lush canopy / centerfold bud-shot

Fuckin A!

So cool that everyone's putting their heart and soul into this, regardless of WTF we're feeding them. These pics are inspirational no matter how you slice this shit

Well with all BS set aside a grower should use what ever he chooses being it Chem or organic. Do what works best for you period
I prefer using salts one also has to remember in organic there so called nutrients is bases on amendments know one is ever sure exactly what NPK values is going into your soil many things determine the outcome temps , microbiology lots of variables.
with chem nutrients you have a MSDS and label that has to follow standard laws showing percentages of what....
So there for you have a better idea of what you feeding your plants its like anything else your able to actually dial a grow better .. there is no denying that concept
We can sit here all day saying chem companies are ripping us off what about Ice cream ???
shit your buying Air 50 percent of the product is Air
so being chemical is liquid your buying water yippee but forget to look at the big picture other ingredients added to that water ...
But at the end of the day who fucking cares ??? if you grew your plant with right amount of nutrients , light , and environment parameters you will harvest some good weed again strain depended

Phil you mention 90 percent of chem grown plants are unhealthy i really shake my head at your post.....
If anything being truth full when growing organics it appears there the ones showing def at the beginning ,, ( when matter is being broken down to make actual food ) and most importantly at the end....And this is where the craze of tea brewing has come into play to cover the def through out
Both ways work just find a nutrient company that you can adjust to make changes as plants grow experience is key

[QUOTE="pk_boosted2, post: 11570249, member: 889862"]People who think they are never wrong. And cant content to the fact like people such as myself who uses nutrients such as AN and Canna are "idiots". So these knuckleheads have to try and talk shit and make stuff up bcuz they got nothing better to do with their time.

Im just tired of arguing w amateur growers who have 1 light up in a closet wanna tell me how to grow and wtf im doing. Simply based on fact that I tell people that using AN and Canna produced top quality shit compared to bs nutrients like Dyna Gro. Which is fact not fiction.[/QUOTE]LOL, funniest post in this thread, oh the irony
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Darth Vapour said:

Well with all BS set aside a grower should use what ever he chooses being it Chem or organic. Do what works best for you period
I prefer using salts one also has to remember in organic there so called nutrients is bases on amendments know one is ever sure exactly what NPK values is going into your soil many things determine the outcome temps , microbiology lots of variables.
with chem nutrients you have a MSDS and label that has to follow standard laws showing percentages of what....
So there for you have a better idea of what you feeding your plants its like anything else your able to actually dial a grow better .. there is no denying that concept
We can sit here all day saying chem companies are ripping us off what about Ice cream ???
shit your buying Air 50 percent of the product is Air
so being chemical is liquid your buying water yippee but forget to look at the big picture other ingredients added to that water ...
But at the end of the day who fucking cares ??? if you grew your plant with right amount of nutrients , light , and environment parameters you will harvest some good weed again strain depended

Phil you mention 90 percent of chem grown plants are unhealthy i really shake my head at your post.....
If anything being truth full when growing organics it appears there the ones showing def at the beginning ,, ( when matter is being broken down to make actual food ) and most importantly at the end....And this is where the craze of tea brewing has come into play to cover the def through out
Both ways work just find a nutrient company that you can adjust to make changes as plants grow experience is key

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Half the growers who try organics arent even providing what the plants need. Especially those doing super soils. They go and amend a soil and just "water only". But the minute the deficiencies begin its hard to ever fix the problem. Not only that but the theory that a plant only consumes what it needs never makes sense to me. Considering pre charged soils and super soils are packed with nutrients with levels in excess of 2500-3000 ppm from the jump and as the roots grow into them its super hot.

Take pre charged bagged soils for instance you cant even put cuts into the shit bcuz they get burned up instantly. And since u rely on the mix u made how do u even know how much s being absorbed, consumed and uptaken properly is almost i possible to tell until u have problems. Its not as easy as just mixing and letting them grow theres alot of factors that go into it.

I prefer drain to wiast bcuz i gave total control over my garden and plants and its 100% more accurate and reliable to fix problems bcuz i know whats in my medium a all times. Yes its more expensive to grow in this manner but quality control is a huge factor and beneficial in long term. Almost all big time growers, dispensary grows, and big warehouse cultivators all grow in drain to waste systems (thats for a reason)!! Its the best and easiest way to control all aspects of growing.

Lately alot of placed are going with DWC. As they r finding can out yield many of the conventional growing methods, while saving on nutrients and costs. But upfront costs are alot higher to begin, noone is running super soils growing large scale. As i said before all organic growing is simply just being done by small time growers who want quality. If u want results u go drain to waste or dwc and u get the production, yield and quality.

Grow man, grow!

My fun is to use local amendments from MI to build and amend the soil. Then grow in it for a dozen generations, no-till. Whatever floats a guy's boat.

soil for show, hydro for dough

why I don't buy from dispensaries, dro sucks!!!

chuck estevez said:

[QUOTE="pk_boosted2, post: 11570249, member: 889862"]People who think they are never wrong. And cant content to the fact like people such as myself who uses nutrients such as AN and Canna are "idiots". So these knuckleheads have to try and talk shit and make stuff up bcuz they got nothing better to do with their time.

Im just tired of arguing w amateur growers who have 1 light up in a closet wanna tell me how to grow and wtf im doing. Simply based on fact that I tell people that using AN and Canna produced top quality shit compared to bs nutrients like Dyna Gro. Which is fact not fiction.

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LOL, funniest post in this thread, oh the irony
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Thats not irony at all. Its a statement based on facts. I find it funny that theres many big growers on here who all use Canna and AN and dont even bother getting into arguments with the other half of growers on here who all dick ride a couple ppl and think Dyna Gro and Jacks are good nutrients when they arent. They are cheap, lab made, synthetic salts that are inferior products to any of the main MJ specific nutrient companies on the market who design their products with growers in mind who want the grow the best and oroduce the "healthiest consumable" products out there.

There have been many journals and scholarly articles written about the subject that not all nutrients are created equal. Derived sources, processes, extractions and cultivation of nutrients plays a huge role in the quality of nutrients people use in their medi grows.

For example. Eveyone in the world for most part eats meat right? But why are all meats labeled by what they fed their cows before the food is processed? Bcuz ppl want to know what went into the food before it was made and the same thing shud b held for MJ if u want it to be the best.

Which is the reason there are some individuals who will only smoke medi that been grown organically from OMRI lister companies as a piece of mind. Dyna gro is 100% synthetic lab made salts. Same as miracle gro etc... Using propietary blends of organic and synthetic nutrients is what people shud use to grow, as some things must be synthetic in order to get the desired yields and quality people want.

If u have ever left a bottle of dyna gro opposed to canna on a shelf for a year or two and went back to look st the bottles of nutrients after theyve been sitting around u can tell the difference in quality between the two. Shit Ive seen bottles of dyna gro in 6 months that have turned to complete bricks of chalk hard salt oozing out of the caps from being on a shelf, opposed to high quality nutrients that look completely the same as the day u got them such as Canna products. Not only that but the smell and quality of the nutrients and way they break down in water are completely different as well.

My point is not all nutrients nor salts are created equal. Otherwise there would be 1 magic bottle of potion that everyone wud use and there wud b no competetion on the market, it wud just be x Brand nutrients and there is no other choice. But thats not the case and thats for a reason, period.

you keep believing that shit PK. You'll fight to the death to be right, Like I said, IRONY at it's best.

Its kind of like buying a TV. They are all made of metals, plastics and components. But some are better than others bcuz what they are xactly made out of. How long they last, the clarity of the picture etc... Nutrient are no different than anything else that is based on varying factors. Derived sources of nutrients, how they r chelated and suspended, how they interact with mediums and water etcc.. Take it for what u want but theres a reason some gallons of nutrients cost 20$ and some cost 100$ because typically the more expensive nutrients cost more to make bcuz they are derived from higher quality sources.