Obama is agianst potheads!

JustAnotherFriedDay

JustAnotherFriedDay

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doobnVA said:
LOL. Sure you don't.

Something I made up, huh? So, lobbyists DON'T pay to have their interests "looked after", huh?

It's much more likely that menthols aren't banned because Obama smokes them, right? and it's proven fact, not just something YOU made up, right?

Give me a fucking break.
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The point remains, if you aren't going to ban menthols because they are popular (which they are), why ban flavored cigarettes? That just makes stoners mad because we lose our rolling papers. It doesn't reduce teen tobacco smoking one little bit.
 
doobnVA

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JustAnotherFriedDay said:
The point remains, if you aren't going to ban menthols because they are popular (which they are), why ban flavored cigarettes? That just makes stoners mad because we lose our rolling papers. It doesn't reduce teen tobacco smoking one little bit.
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You're right, it doesn't reduce teen smoking enough. However, I think the FDA was under some internal pressure to do SOMETHING, anything, regarding tobacco regulation. This also isn't going to be the only action we see from the FDA on tobacco, it's just the first step. An ineffective, somewhat arbitrary step, but I think it was meant to demonstrate that they ARE going to do something rather than sit on their hands.

If it were simply a ploy to banned flavored rolling papers, why ban flavored cigarettes, too and get the tobacco industry all riled up?
 
JustAnotherFriedDay

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doobnVA said:
You're right, it doesn't reduce teen smoking enough. However, I think the FDA was under some internal pressure to do SOMETHING, anything, regarding tobacco regulation. This also isn't going to be the only action we see from the FDA on tobacco, it's just the first step. An ineffective, somewhat arbitrary step, but I think it was meant to demonstrate that they ARE going to do something rather than sit on their hands.

If it were simply a ploy to banned flavored rolling papers, why ban flavored cigarettes, too and get the tobacco industry all riled up?
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Finally, we agree on something. However, I much more enjoy disagreeing (although I'll save that for another postbongsmilie)

In my opinion, there's only one way we could regulate tobacco use, and that would be to regulate how much tobacco people are allowed to buy (per week or whatever it may be). That would be stupid because it would cause a lot of stress in peoples lives. Smokers would have tobacco withdrawals.

The other way, which would save 440,000 lives a year, would be to ban tobacco (or maybe just cigarettes) altogether and legalize marijuana and make marijuana cigarettes.

The solution is so damn simple yet they can't seem to see it.

Some argue that marijuana legalization would create a lazy nation. That would be true, if all American's were mentally unhealthy and got mentally addicted and smoked pot all day long and didn't do anything.

However, normal pot smoking American's get their responsibilities taken care of first, then get stoned. Some stoners smoke on the job, and if that works for them, great. Personally I find myself much more efficient when sober, so I make a decision to say sober when I have important things to do.

That's what America would do as well.
 
doobnVA

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Well, I think what they're trying to do is hold the industry accountable. It's too late in the game to ban tobacco outright, as it's a pretty big industry that makes a shitton of money and employs a lot of people.

I think if the tobacco companies got in on some of the cannabis action, that they could transition from tobacco manufacturing to cannabis manufacturing quite easily. Of course, cannabis would have to be legal first... and the tobacco industry would have to lobby to legalize it (despite the fact that cigarettes kill and cannabis doesn't, this wouldn't be a popular stance for the tobacco industry to take). People are opposed to change in any form. I can't believe there are still Americans who think cannabis KILLS people and should be illegal. They probably don't even know it's JUST A PLANT!

I'd love to see the giant "marlboro red" box that adorns the side of the Altria building turn into a marlboro "green" box.
 
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Hmm thanks for that link Doob, so I do have one question and its going to kind of segue into CJ's post somewhat. Why did they ban all flavored cigarettes Except Menthol? If it really had anything to do with children not smoking then right there goes the whole theory. What demographic smokes the most menthol cigarettes? How about Latino and Blacks? http://www.philly.com/inquirer/health_science/daily/20090924_FDA_bans_flavored_cigarettes.html

and new studies suggest that menthol is more addictive too, http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/01/090110085918.htm

What other flavored cigarettes do the big 3 tobacco companies produce besides menthols? None not a single other flavor, so this really only affects those small businesses and helps out the big tobacco companies by making anyone who wants any kind of flavor buy menthol only. If this really were to help the children doesn't it make more sense to ban all smoke flavored tobacco? But it doesn't really matter because as we said earlier it has nothing to do with children, that's what they tell you to get you to go along with it. Its really just pushing the small companies out of business so the big companies can continue market dominance.
 
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JustAnotherFriedDay said:
Finally, we agree on something. However, I much more enjoy disagreeing (although I'll save that for another postbongsmilie)

In my opinion, there's only one way we could regulate tobacco use, and that would be to regulate how much tobacco people are allowed to buy (per week or whatever it may be). That would be stupid because it would cause a lot of stress in peoples lives. Smokers would have tobacco withdrawals.

The other way, which would save 440,000 lives a year, would be to ban tobacco (or maybe just cigarettes) altogether and legalize marijuana and make marijuana cigarettes.

The solution is so damn simple yet they can't seem to see it.

Some argue that marijuana legalization would create a lazy nation. That would be true, if all American's were mentally unhealthy and got mentally addicted and smoked pot all day long and didn't do anything.

However, normal pot smoking American's get their responsibilities taken care of first, then get stoned. Some stoners smoke on the job, and if that works for them, great. Personally I find myself much more efficient when sober, so I make a decision to say sober when I have important things to do.

That's what America would do as well.
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If you limit how much people can buy then you mess up the whole supply demand thing and there will eventually be no supply and the shelves will be empty.

The government should not ban anything, Im all for no one smoking, its a nasty smelly disease causing addiction thats hard as hell to kick. But no one forced you to start smoking, and the government should not be forcing you to quit either. A Responsible person will eventually quit of his own accord, but will fight anyone who forces them to do so against their will. I have been trying to get my Mother to stop smoking for 30+ years now, she gets pissed off when I bring it up. I try to get my Brothers to quit also, they also get pissed off when I bring it up. I no longer bring it up, but I know they can do it, after all I too was addicted for over 20 years and was able to quit.

The gubbermint always tries to Demonize tobacco use and then tries to regulate it saying its for our own good and they are doing us a favor, but you know, Government should not try to legislate morality nor tell you what you can or can't put in your own body
 
JustAnotherFriedDay

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NoDrama said:
If you limit how much people can buy then you mess up the whole supply demand thing and there will eventually be no supply and the shelves will be empty.

The government should not ban anything, Im all for no one smoking, its a nasty smelly disease causing addiction thats hard as hell to kick. But no one forced you to start smoking, and the government should not be forcing you to quit either. A Responsible person will eventually quit of his own accord, but will fight anyone who forces them to do so against their will. I have been trying to get my Mother to stop smoking for 30+ years now, she gets pissed off when I bring it up. I try to get my Brothers to quit also, they also get pissed off when I bring it up. I no longer bring it up, but I know they can do it, after all I too was addicted for over 20 years and was able to quit.

The gubbermint always tries to Demonize tobacco use and then tries to regulate it saying its for our own good and they are doing us a favor, but you know, Government should not try to legislate morality nor tell you what you can or can't put in your own body
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I know exactly how you feel. My father has been smoking for the last 35 years. 1/2 pack-pack a day. He's tried to quit several times but only lasted as long as 3 months.

I don't wanna see him die prematurely, it would sadden me so much.
 
doobnVA

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NoDrama said:
Hmm thanks for that link Doob, so I do have one question and its going to kind of segue into CJ's post somewhat. Why did they ban all flavored cigarettes Except Menthol? If it really had anything to do with children not smoking then right there goes the whole theory. What demographic smokes the most menthol cigarettes? How about Latino and Blacks? http://www.philly.com/inquirer/health_science/daily/20090924_FDA_bans_flavored_cigarettes.html

and new studies suggest that menthol is more addictive too, http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/01/090110085918.htm

What other flavored cigarettes do the big 3 tobacco companies produce besides menthols? None not a single other flavor, so this really only affects those small businesses and helps out the big tobacco companies by making anyone who wants any kind of flavor buy menthol only. If this really were to help the children doesn't it make more sense to ban all smoke flavored tobacco? But it doesn't really matter because as we said earlier it has nothing to do with children, that's what they tell you to get you to go along with it. Its really just pushing the small companies out of business so the big companies can continue market dominance.
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Because banning menthols would dip into big tobacco's profits. the tobacco industry is still a powerful lobby group, so they probably paid off someone at the FDA in exchange for leaving menthol alone.

It isn't just small companies that make flavored cigarettes. Camel has been at it with a fervor lately.

 
doobnVA

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Here are some other things the FDA is likely to do to curb youth smoking (or just smoking in general)

Tobacco manufacturers may no longer sponsor sporting, athletic, and entertainment events using tobacco product brand names and logos;
Tobacco manufacturers may no longer sell or give away clothing or other items which bear the brand name or logo of a tobacco product; and
Tobacco manufacturers will no longer be able to distribute free samples of cigarettes, and free samples of smokeless tobacco will be allowed only in adult-only facilities.
By July 2010, tobacco manufacturers may no longer use the terms “light,” “low,” and “mild” on tobacco products.
By July 2011, warning labels for cigarettes and smokeless tobacco products will be revised and strengthened. Warnings will comprise the top 50 percent of the front and rear panels of the package. FDA will issue regulations requiring graphics on labels depicting the health risks of smoking.


 
doobnVA

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NoDrama said:
Why don't they just cover the whole package with pictures of corpses rotting in the sun?
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That would be TOO effective. They want to slowly cripple the tobacco industry, rather than just kill them outright.

That's what a pack of smokes looks like in canada, covered with warnings and a teeny tiny brand logo.
 
JustAnotherFriedDay

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doobnVA said:
Here are some other things the FDA is likely to do to curb youth smoking (or just smoking in general)

Tobacco manufacturers may no longer sponsor sporting, athletic, and entertainment events using tobacco product brand names and logos;
Tobacco manufacturers may no longer sell or give away clothing or other items which bear the brand name or logo of a tobacco product; and
Tobacco manufacturers will no longer be able to distribute free samples of cigarettes, and free samples of smokeless tobacco will be allowed only in adult-only facilities.
By July 2010, tobacco manufacturers may no longer use the terms “light,” “low,” and “mild” on tobacco products.
By July 2011, warning labels for cigarettes and smokeless tobacco products will be revised and strengthened. Warnings will comprise the top 50 percent of the front and rear panels of the package. FDA will issue regulations requiring graphics on labels depicting the health risks of smoking.


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Awesome! You found something the government is doing to be beneficial to our country. More specifically the future generations.

Keep it up, if you can :peace:
 
JustAnotherFriedDay

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doobnVA said:
That would be TOO effective. They want to slowly cripple the tobacco industry, rather than just kill them outright.

That's what a pack of smokes looks like in canada, covered with warnings and a teeny tiny brand logo.
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And hopefully by slowly crippling tobacco the slow uprising of legal cannabis will take its place.

Can you imagine that country? I'd go smoke doobies in the most amazing public places (if they allowed it in public).
 
doobnVA

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JustAnotherFriedDay said:
And hopefully by slowly crippling tobacco the slow uprising of legal cannabis will take its place.

Can you imagine that country? I'd go smoke doobies in the most amazing public places (if they allowed it in public).
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I smoked a doobie with Abe Lincoln once (at the Lincoln Memorial). I used to have a photo but I lost it =(

On the mall in DC with cops watching, another time. That was pretty awesome =)

But yeah, I think we should phase tobacco out and phase cannabis IN!
 
JustAnotherFriedDay

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doobnVA said:
I smoked a doobie with Abe Lincoln once (at the Lincoln Memorial). I used to have a photo but I lost it =(

On the mall in DC with cops watching, another time. That was pretty awesome =)

But yeah, I think we should phase tobacco out and phase cannabis IN!
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Lincoln Memorial, very creative spot.

Yeah, I believe most on this site can agree to that as well. Every time, I smoke tobacco (like large amounts of hookah) I get too buzzed and its discomforting. Makes me wanna throw up.

Anyways, I hate tobacco. One time I got tobacco sickness at a friends house at like 2:00am and told him I was going home just because I knew if I could smoke some chronic I'd feel so much better.

I did go home and smoke bud and I did feel a lot better (no more body tingling and uneasy stomach) and I passed out.

No more tobacco for me, that one proved it.
 
darkdestruction420

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JustAnotherFriedDay said:
The point remains, if you aren't going to ban menthols because they are popular (which they are), why ban flavored cigarettes? That just makes stoners mad because we lose our rolling papers. It doesn't reduce teen tobacco smoking one little bit.
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why dont you ask the fda that.......im not saying obama is perfect or godly or anything even close to that, but you guys cant blame every little thing on him and say its some plot or conspiracy.....
 
JustAnotherFriedDay

JustAnotherFriedDay

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darkdestruction420 said:
why dont you ask the fda that.......im not saying obama is perfect or godly or anything even close to that, but you guys cant blame every little thing on him and say its some plot or conspiracy.....
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You haven't read many of my posts, because that's not what I am saying.

I don't even care about this ban as I don't often smoke Js (they don't compare to blunts), I'm just curious why they did it when it serves no purpose toward their goal (to reduce tobacco use by teens). Unless their goal would be to slowly ban all cigarettes and transform the tobacco industries into cannabis industries. I'd be all for that.
 
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