Obama Rejects The Keystone XL Pipeline

Padawanbater2

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"People have marched and chanted, zip tied themselves to the White House fence, gotten arrested and carried a huge inflatable pipeline through the streets of D.C. They’ve sued, held vigils, and rode door-to-door on horseback, all in opposition to a massive tar sands pipeline.

Now, the six-year fight over that pipeline is finally coming to an end.

President Obama rejected the Keystone XL pipeline Friday morning after a meeting with Secretary of State John Kerry. Obama said Friday that the State Department, in its final Environmental Impact Statement, found that the pipeline would not be in the country’s national interest. “I agree with that decision,” he said.

Obama discussed three State Department findings on the pipeline Friday. The pipeline, Obama said, would not “make a meaningful long-term contribution to our economy.”

“If Congress is serious about wanting to create jobs, this was not the way to do it,” Obama said. Instead, Congress should pass a “bipartisan infrastructure” that would create more jobs than Keystone XL would, the president said. If approved, the pipeline was projected to create only around 35 permanent jobs.

The pipeline also wouldn’t lower gas prices, the president said. And “shipping dirtier crude oil into our country would not increase America’s energy security,” he said.

“What has increased America’s energy security is our strategy over the past several years to reduce our reliance on dirty fossil fuels from unstable parts of the world,” he said.

The country must transition to a clean energy economy — something it’s already succeeding at doing, Obama continued. America also needs to continue to be a leader in climate action — and approving the pipeline would have “undermined” that leadership.

“The time to act is now. Not later, not someday, right here, right now,” Obama said.

In a statement, Secretary of State John Kerry said that the State Department also found the following when it reviewed the pipeline proposal: its construction “raises a range of concerns about the impact on local communities, water supplies, and cultural heritage sites,” and it would “facilitate transportation into our country of a particularly dirty source of fuel.”

“The critical factor in my determination was this: moving forward with this project would significantly undermine our ability to continue leading the world in combating climate change,” Kerry said in a statement. “I am also convinced that public arguments for and against the pipeline have, to some extent, been overstated. Our analysis makes it clear that the Keystone XL pipeline would not be the economic driver it is heralded to be.”

The State Department’s final EIS was the last step in the Keystone XL process — Obama had been waiting on the agency to release the report before he made a decision on the pipeline. The State Department’s final report took into account millions of comments from Americans.

“Decades of science prove beyond any reasonable doubt that human activity is a direct cause of the rising seas, increasing temperatures, and intensifying storms threatening our planet – and the window of opportunity for action to prevent the worst impacts of climate change is closing quickly. I have seen the world try and fail to address this threat for decades,” Kerry said. “Today, the need for American leadership to combat climate change has never been greater, and we must answer the call. The United States cannot ask other nations to make tough choices to address climate change if we are unwilling to make them ourselves. Denying the Keystone XL pipeline is one of those tough choices – but it is the right decision, for America and the world.”

The announcement comes during a week full of news for the controversial tar sands pipeline. TransCanada, the company in charge of the pipeline, asked the State Department Monday to suspend the review process for the pipeline while its route was evaluated in Nebraska. The State Department rejected that request, which was largely seen as an effort to push the pipeline decision on to a potentially less climate-friendly administration, later in the week.

“This is a big win. President Obama’s decision to reject Keystone XL because of its impact on the climate is nothing short of historic — and sets an important precedent that should send shockwaves through the fossil fuel industry,” 350.org Executive Director May Boeve said in a statement.

Keystone XL has become a rallying point for environmentalists. The pipeline would have carried crude oil from the tar sands region of Alberta — a type of oil that’s heavily carbon-intensive. If constructed, the oil the pipeline would have carried would have been responsible for 181 million metric tons of carbon emissions every year. — more than 37.7 million cars or 51 coal plants. The carbon-intensity of the fuel was one of the main reasons environmentalists called on the president to reject the pipeline: America, if it’s looking for energy independence, shouldn’t rely on dirty oil from Canada, but instead should invest in renewables, they said.

Obama’s rejection of the pipeline also helps solidify his climate legacy. The president has made acting on climate a major part of his second term, and many environmentalists said that the approval of the pipeline would have undermined the work the administration has done so far on climate.

“Stopping the Keystone XL pipeline is a victory for the planet, for the health and well-being of the communities along the pipeline route, and for future generations to come,” Sierra Club executive director Michael Brune said in a statement. “It also demonstrates the power of the millions of people who raised their voices in opposition to the pipeline, and of the growing movement to end our dependence on dirty fossil fuels. Now, instead of building a pipeline that cuts our country in two, we are free to invest in clean energy that creates jobs and brings our country together.”"

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/11/06/3720018/obama-rejecting-keystone-xl/
 

MuyLocoNC

Well-Known Member
"A victory for the planet"? Really?

Sure, because as we all know, if that oil doesn't go to our refineries via the pipeline, it simply won't be refined and burned elsewhere. That the way it works? Yeah, not so much.

Meaningless.
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
"A victory for the planet"? Really?

Sure, because as we all know, if that oil doesn't go to our refineries via the pipeline, it simply won't be refined and burned elsewhere. That the way it works? Yeah, not so much.

Meaningless.
Let it be refined elsewhere.
If Canada wants to sell to China. Let them put a pipeline thru their own country

It's No secret you are a big Koch sucker
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
"People have marched and chanted, zip tied themselves to the White House fence, gotten arrested and carried a huge inflatable pipeline through the streets of D.C. They’ve sued, held vigils, and rode door-to-door on horseback, all in opposition to a massive tar sands pipeline.

Now, the six-year fight over that pipeline is finally coming to an end.

President Obama rejected the Keystone XL pipeline Friday morning after a meeting with Secretary of State John Kerry. Obama said Friday that the State Department, in its final Environmental Impact Statement, found that the pipeline would not be in the country’s national interest. “I agree with that decision,” he said.

Obama discussed three State Department findings on the pipeline Friday. The pipeline, Obama said, would not “make a meaningful long-term contribution to our economy.”

“If Congress is serious about wanting to create jobs, this was not the way to do it,” Obama said. Instead, Congress should pass a “bipartisan infrastructure” that would create more jobs than Keystone XL would, the president said. If approved, the pipeline was projected to create only around 35 permanent jobs.

The pipeline also wouldn’t lower gas prices, the president said. And “shipping dirtier crude oil into our country would not increase America’s energy security,” he said.

“What has increased America’s energy security is our strategy over the past several years to reduce our reliance on dirty fossil fuels from unstable parts of the world,” he said.

The country must transition to a clean energy economy — something it’s already succeeding at doing, Obama continued. America also needs to continue to be a leader in climate action — and approving the pipeline would have “undermined” that leadership.

“The time to act is now. Not later, not someday, right here, right now,” Obama said.

In a statement, Secretary of State John Kerry said that the State Department also found the following when it reviewed the pipeline proposal: its construction “raises a range of concerns about the impact on local communities, water supplies, and cultural heritage sites,” and it would “facilitate transportation into our country of a particularly dirty source of fuel.”

“The critical factor in my determination was this: moving forward with this project would significantly undermine our ability to continue leading the world in combating climate change,” Kerry said in a statement. “I am also convinced that public arguments for and against the pipeline have, to some extent, been overstated. Our analysis makes it clear that the Keystone XL pipeline would not be the economic driver it is heralded to be.”

The State Department’s final EIS was the last step in the Keystone XL process — Obama had been waiting on the agency to release the report before he made a decision on the pipeline. The State Department’s final report took into account millions of comments from Americans.

“Decades of science prove beyond any reasonable doubt that human activity is a direct cause of the rising seas, increasing temperatures, and intensifying storms threatening our planet – and the window of opportunity for action to prevent the worst impacts of climate change is closing quickly. I have seen the world try and fail to address this threat for decades,” Kerry said. “Today, the need for American leadership to combat climate change has never been greater, and we must answer the call. The United States cannot ask other nations to make tough choices to address climate change if we are unwilling to make them ourselves. Denying the Keystone XL pipeline is one of those tough choices – but it is the right decision, for America and the world.”

The announcement comes during a week full of news for the controversial tar sands pipeline. TransCanada, the company in charge of the pipeline, asked the State Department Monday to suspend the review process for the pipeline while its route was evaluated in Nebraska. The State Department rejected that request, which was largely seen as an effort to push the pipeline decision on to a potentially less climate-friendly administration, later in the week.

“This is a big win. President Obama’s decision to reject Keystone XL because of its impact on the climate is nothing short of historic — and sets an important precedent that should send shockwaves through the fossil fuel industry,” 350.org Executive Director May Boeve said in a statement.

Keystone XL has become a rallying point for environmentalists. The pipeline would have carried crude oil from the tar sands region of Alberta — a type of oil that’s heavily carbon-intensive. If constructed, the oil the pipeline would have carried would have been responsible for 181 million metric tons of carbon emissions every year. — more than 37.7 million cars or 51 coal plants. The carbon-intensity of the fuel was one of the main reasons environmentalists called on the president to reject the pipeline: America, if it’s looking for energy independence, shouldn’t rely on dirty oil from Canada, but instead should invest in renewables, they said.

Obama’s rejection of the pipeline also helps solidify his climate legacy. The president has made acting on climate a major part of his second term, and many environmentalists said that the approval of the pipeline would have undermined the work the administration has done so far on climate.

“Stopping the Keystone XL pipeline is a victory for the planet, for the health and well-being of the communities along the pipeline route, and for future generations to come,” Sierra Club executive director Michael Brune said in a statement. “It also demonstrates the power of the millions of people who raised their voices in opposition to the pipeline, and of the growing movement to end our dependence on dirty fossil fuels. Now, instead of building a pipeline that cuts our country in two, we are free to invest in clean energy that creates jobs and brings our country together.”"

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/11/06/3720018/obama-rejecting-keystone-xl/






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MuyLocoNC

Well-Known Member
So. Why do we need another one?
That's a fair point. I think a new refinery up near the Canadian border would be a better choice and would probably cost the same as the entire pipeline, when you consider the installation and land purchase/easement costs.
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
That's a fair point. I think a new refinery up near the Canadian border would be a better choice and would probably cost the same as the entire pipeline, when you consider the installation and land purchase/easement costs.
They would still need a pipeline since their goal all along was to sell oil to China and the international market all of which would of created near zero jobs and not done anything in the way of decreasing oil prices here
 

ginwilly

Well-Known Member
They would still need a pipeline since their goal all along was to sell oil to China and the international market all of which would of created near zero jobs and not done anything in the way of decreasing oil prices here
Of course it would create jobs, the thing wouldn't build and maintain itself, it just wouldn't create as many as claimed by some.

Oil prices are set on a global market. If the supply is increased without increasing demand then prices fall. If prices on the global market fall, they fall here too. If Canada decides to sell every last ounce to China, it still affects the market here because that's oil from somewhere else that China is not buying from, increasing the supply of the others.

It's unrefined oil moving through an underground pipeline. Leave it in the ground because it might leak back into the ground if you don't was a silly argument to me too. I get why some regions would restrict a pipeline, like natural habitats and waterways, I don't understand the reasoning of other places other than oil = bad.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
Of course it would create jobs, the thing wouldn't build and maintain itself
so an oil pipeline will create jobs, but the ARRA didn't create any?

goddamn, have it both way while you're talking out of both sides of your mouth, fucking two face.

Leave it in the ground because it might leak back into the ground if you don't was a silly argument to me too.
wow, you are monumentally retarded.

maybe ask some dumbass nebraskan farmer to explain the ogallalla aquifer to you. even then you'll be too stupid to understand.

seriously, shut the fuck up and go away already. you add nothing.
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
Of course it would create jobs, the thing wouldn't build and maintain itself, it just wouldn't create as many as claimed by some.

Oil prices are set on a global market. If the supply is increased without increasing demand then prices fall. If prices on the global market fall, they fall here too. If Canada decides to sell every last ounce to China, it still affects the market here because that's oil from somewhere else that China is not buying from, increasing the supply of the others.

It's unrefined oil moving through an underground pipeline. Leave it in the ground because it might leak back into the ground if you don't was a silly argument to me too. I get why some regions would restrict a pipeline, like natural habitats and waterways, I don't understand the reasoning of other places other than oil = bad.
Right now the oil stops in Oklahoma where the laws of supply and demand makes it cheaper for us to purchase
You truly are the dumbest most racist person on this board
 

ginwilly

Well-Known Member
Right now the oil stops in Oklahoma where the laws of supply and demand makes it cheaper for us to purchase
You truly are the dumbest most racist person on this board
You have no clue how bad you look when you do shit like that. I'm sure it sounded good in your head...

Remember the first time you called me racist? It was when I called you on your bullshit, you claimed you used to bring body parts home from a lab and throw them at your roommate, you claimed you had the only living grandma who was listed as a male on her birth certificate and has no possible way to change it among many others (I care so little about it I won't even ask the creepy stalker dude for his file on you to show the quotes, people see you...). It was when I was fairly new and your account was just made. I thought, jeez, this guy couldn't tell the truth if he had to. You were even still denying you were a sock puppet account at the time until you got cornered. Now you are one of those idiots that accuse others of being sock-puppets like that really means anything coming from you.

It's obvious you don't understand how the price of oil is set, instead of trying to learn, you went into name calling. That sucks man, you chose ignorant and mean instead. You seem like good people. I mean other than braggin(lying) about desecrating the bodies of people so you can have a goof.
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
I did bring body parts home. They were limbs from pathology. Then they went to the funeral Horne where they were incinerated
It was a really funny prank

My grandmothers birth certificate did list her as a boy. A mistake made at filing when she was born and never corrected.
Btw racist douche bag. She died last year. And under the voter Id laws she would of been unable to vote while she was alive because her drivers license had no picture and expired in 1974.

You are still a stupid racist douchebag
 

ginwilly

Well-Known Member
I did bring body parts home. They were limbs from pathology. Then they went to the funeral Horne where they were incinerated
It was a really funny prank

My grandmothers birth certificate did list her as a boy. A mistake made at filing when she was born and never corrected.
Btw racist douche bag. She died last year. And under the voter Id laws she would of been unable to vote while she was alive because her drivers license had no picture and expired in 1974.

You are still a stupid racist douchebag
Nobody believes you Duke, except for other tards that are as dumb as you. The more you try, the worse you look.

If you knew how regulated the disposal of body parts was, you wouldn't have even tried to make that lie. That's yet another example of the level of intelligence you display here on a regular basis.

Sorry to hear about your grandma, sorry for your loss.
 
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