Obamacare is Dead - Long Live Healthcare!

jeffchr

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Included in the bill is a rider that eliminates private student loans. After this bill goes into effect, the only student loan lender will be the federal government. Do you guys remember during the campaign when Obama talked about a voluntary citizen army the size of our existing military? Well, here you have it. Want a student loan? Well, agree to volunteer your time for a couple of years as part of paying off the loan. Millions of community organizers on the horizon from now 'till Kingdom come. Do you guys remember when Obama gave that speech in Berlin in front of 200,000 adoring Germans? He said: "The individual is going to have to learn to sacrifice for the good of the community." Hitler Youth, anyone?
obama is pro education numb one
the student loan program was another corrupt wall street gimmick
not any more

nobody has to volunteer for anything to get a student loan, never have, never will

where do you get your information?

never mind, Glen Beck
 

tinyTURTLE

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Do you guys remember when Obama gave that speech in Berlin in front of 200,000 adoring Germans? He said: "The individual is going to have to learn to sacrifice for the good of the community." Hitler Youth, anyone?
America adopted the same motto of sacrifice durring WWII.

America’s leaders have not always feared asking citizens to sacrifice. Five months after the attack on Pearl Harbor, President Roosevelt addressed the nation and asked it to prepare for the long and arduous sacrifice the war would require:
Here at home everyone will have the privilege of making whatever self-denial is necessary, not only to supply our fighting men, but to keep the economic structure of our country fortified and secure during the war and after the war.
This will require, of course, the abandonment not only of luxuries but of many other creature comforts….
Every loyal American is aware of his individual responsibility. Whenever I hear anyone saying, “The American people are complacent-they need to be aroused,” I feel like asking him to come to Washington to read the mail…The one question that recurs through all these thousands of letters and messages is, “What more can I do to help my country in winning this war?”…
Yesterday I submitted to the Congress of the United States a seven-point program, a program of general principles……
First, we must, through heavier taxes, keep personal and corporate profits at a low reasonable rate.
Second, we must fix ceilings on prices and rents.
Third, we must stabilize wages.
Fourth, we must stabilize farm prices.
Fifth, we must put more billions into war bonds.
Sixth, we must ration all essential commodities which are scarce…….
And seventh, we must discourage installment buying, and encourage paying off debts and mortgages.
The blunt fact is that every single person in the United States is going to be affected by this program. ……Are you a businessman, or do you own stock in a business corporation? Well, your profits are going to be cut down to a reasonably low level by taxation. Your income will be subject to higher taxes. Indeed in these days, when every available dollar should go to the war effort, I do not think that any American citizen should have a net income in excess of $25,000 per year after payment of taxes.
All of us are used to spending money for things that we want, things, however, which are not absolutely essential. We will all have to forgo that kind of spending. Because we must put every dime and every dollar we can possibly spare out of our earnings into war bonds and stamps….
As I told the Congress yesterday, “sacrifice” is not exactly the proper word with which to describe this program of self-denial. When, at the end of this great struggle, we shall have saved our free way of life, we shall have made no “sacrifice.”
The price for civilization must be paid in hard work and sorrow and blood.
America responded to Roosevelt’s charge by rolling up its sleeves, getting to work, and accepting the necessary sacrifices without complaint:


We won the war. We pulled together and we fucking did it. People are too fucking selfish. They've been told that anything that contributes to the common good is 'socialism', and therefore foreign and scary. freedom has become almost synonymous with irresponsibility.
To liken this call for national service to the hiler youth can came as a result of either ignorace or intentionally twisting the meaning.
 

medicineman

New Member
obama is pro education numb one
the student loan program was another corrupt wall street gimmick
not any more

nobody has to volunteer for anything to get a student loan, never have, never will

where do you get your information?

never mind, Glen Beck
You're talking to the wall. All he sees is commies.
 

spl1

Well-Known Member
I just heard of a bill that will be introducded tomorrow by Lynn Woolsey for a public option. hooray!
She is only doing it for the voters knowing it won't happen.

Obama already said he would look at the Public Option if he was re-elected.
 

tfishing

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Included in the bill is a rider that eliminates private student loans. After this bill goes into effect, the only student loan lender will be the federal government. Do you guys remember during the campaign when Obama talked about a voluntary citizen army the size of our existing military? Well, here you have it. Want a student loan? Well, agree to volunteer your time for a couple of years as part of paying off the loan. Millions of community organizers on the horizon from now 'till Kingdom come. Do you guys remember when Obama gave that speech in Berlin in front of 200,000 adoring Germans? He said: "The individual is going to have to learn to sacrifice for the good of the community." Hitler Youth, anyone?

That is about the stupidest thing i have read so far.
 

londonfog

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Included in the bill is a rider that eliminates private student loans. After this bill goes into effect, the only student loan lender will be the federal government. Do you guys remember during the campaign when Obama talked about a voluntary citizen army the size of our existing military? Well, here you have it. Want a student loan? Well, agree to volunteer your time for a couple of years as part of paying off the loan. Millions of community organizers on the horizon from now 'till Kingdom come. Do you guys remember when Obama gave that speech in Berlin in front of 200,000 adoring Germans? He said: "The individual is going to have to learn to sacrifice for the good of the community." Hitler Youth, anyone?
Dude thats what made me join the Air Force some years back..It was called a G.I. bill....I liked the USAF so much made a career out of it...You really need to maybe get out your house and away from whatever the phuck you doing....
 
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mikegreenthumb

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It passed yay whooohhoooooo hell yea obama baby yeah yes we can yes we can
 

max420thc

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ever look at your pay stub? :-|
those are called TAX'S .
what they are doing now is making you go to a private business and purchase a product from that business or they are going to fine you or throw you into jail.
it is the same diff. as them holding a gun on you and saying you must go buy a chevy because our buddies own the company.
what are the 12000 new IRS agent going to b e hired for?collecting your money .thats what they are going to be hired for.bongsmilie
 

londonfog

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those are called TAX'S .
what they are doing now is making you go to a private business and purchase a product from that business or they are going to fine you or throw you into jail.
it is the same diff. as them holding a gun on you and saying you must go buy a chevy because our buddies own the company.
what are the 12000 new IRS agent going to b e hired for?collecting your money .thats what they are going to be hired for.bongsmilie
you better look at how SS came about...and whats to say that you will live long enough to benefit from paying into SS...are you not paying for something that you may or may not use ????
 

Cheech Wizard

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Wow, so basically I am going to be taxed more.... and it will only benefit lazy un-employed people and illegal immigrants... fuckin great. I hate Obama
 

sarah22

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those are called TAX'S .
what they are doing now is making you go to a private business and purchase a product from that business or they are going to fine you or throw you into jail.
it is the same diff. as them holding a gun on you and saying you must go buy a chevy because our buddies own the company.
what are the 12000 new IRS agent going to b e hired for?collecting your money .thats what they are going to be hired for.bongsmilie
i read 16500 new agents... http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/16500-more-IRS-agents-needed-to-enforce-Obamacare-88458137.html
 

londonfog

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Wow, so basically I am going to be taxed more.... and it will only benefit lazy un-employed people and illegal immigrants... fuckin great. I hate Obama
Dude did you read anything for yourself or did you go by what others are saying ????? I will give you two reasons why I like it...

1.Children can stay on parents plan until 26...I have a daughter who is in college when she finishes I don't want her to have to worry about insurance, so I like that I can keep her on until she finds that job with benefits.
2. Children can not be refused because of pre-exiting condition....Have a friend who's child suffer from a pre-condition. She worries that if she lost her job would she be able to get her child insured because of this condition..Not anymore will this be a concern for her....

???? do you have insurance now ?????
 

genuity

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you better look at how SS came about...and whats to say that you will live long enough to benefit from paying into SS...are you not paying for something that you may or may not use ????
great reply.....this whole healthcare thing,is just like car insurence...dont need it,but it is good to have...my to cent's
 

fdd2blk

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those are called TAX'S .
what they are doing now is making you go to a private business and purchase a product from that business or they are going to fine you or throw you into jail.
it is the same diff. as them holding a gun on you and saying you must go buy a chevy because our buddies own the company.
what are the 12000 new IRS agent going to b e hired for?collecting your money .thats what they are going to be hired for.bongsmilie
just like taxes. :joint:
 
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