kmog33
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Exactly. But that's not to say a good breeder with an eye for picking compatible plants won't do better with 10-20 than a bad breeder with 100.
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GreenSanta
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I am not selling myself short, nor dishing OG, but I am not sure how they can charge premium for beans that are essentially polyhybrid pollen chucks just like most of us do in the pollen chucking section. I have some of my lines worked to F3s and generally just give the beans away. Like if a stud was given to them from a reputable breeder I would understand the craze a bit more and maybe that is the case...
Anyway, good for them, vaderOG deserve to succeed he has contributed quite a bit to the community even though I don't grow that way myself.
Anyway, good for them, vaderOG deserve to succeed he has contributed quite a bit to the community even though I don't grow that way myself.
bluntmassa1
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I think a good breeder who selects from 10-20 plants is not a breeder at all let alone a good one.
You are not making anything better that way just making seeds from good genetics to line your pockets. Better off with real breeders they will give us new shit not seed makers they will just steal the new genetics and won't improve the genetics whatsoever. Breeders deserve the money they sell more they will breed more and the market will be forced to actually breed.
kmog33
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You don't think you can find a viable breeder, using stable genetics, in 10-20 plants?
Because I bet if you took one of bodhis lines he's using for males like ssdd and popped 20 beans you could find at least one worth breeding.
bluntmassa1
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Good seeds sure but I would not use the term breeder.
Sure but what about if you used the same 20 Bohdi used to select from would you not find something decent?
But are you actually creating a strain with 20 seed plants in a single generation? I don't think so. I believe the good genetics are doing all the work not the seed maker.
Just look what real breeders do it's amazing what they have done with Tomatoes alone. Now DJ Short I would call a breeder may not be the best but he did improve Blueberry. Bohdi hasn't really improved just 2 nice plants make seeds and sells no way he is actually breeding with all them (strains) for sale.
BOG is a breeder he improved Bubble Gum to his liking anyway and worked it a bit got Sour Bubble from Bubble Gum not sure about all his breeding details though.
But it's your money spend it however you like I just like to see my money go to people with the intention of improving cannabis lines not making seeds I make some of my own seeds and select from more than 20 plants. Lol
kmog33
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DJ short says he picks out of at least 50, which Ime means he picks out of 50 viable beans. So a bit more than 20 but way less than 100. Breeding is about a lot more than just "good genetics doing the work" because you can have all the most fire genetics in the world and still have not a single compatible pair. Some strains/plants just don't like each other. Bodhi is amazing at finding males that meld into his elite females. DJ short has his light schedule during flower to find phenos that most growers won't in their setups at home. Bog makes good shot as well, but again you'll see he uses the same males to cross with all of the females he works into his lines.
Good genetics only get you so far, check out all these new breeders crossing fire genetics and throwing herms left and right. You need to know how and what to cross. And then test what you THINK will cross well, because you really never know until you grow out the offspring. In my breeding projects I go through a lot more seeds than most just to find seedlings I think make the cut so I'm into the numbers game, but I'm not going to say for sure that you can't breed with 20 plants selections. Because I think that that is an incorrect statement.
And I never stated anyone is creating a strain in one generation lol. Try 5-7 min.
Considering bodhi traveled the world to aquire true landrace seed that he is working with atm... He is not just in it for the money + you have no clue!
Those studs are tested through many crosses by many people before being released.
You should go check breedbay before you make yourself look foolish.
Those studs are tested through many crosses by many people before being released.
You should go check breedbay before you make yourself look foolish.
bluntmassa1
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I was just using him as an example don't know much about him other than a lot of strains. Maybe I should have just went with Subcool lol, but he doesn't really select from seeds at least for the most part no idea what he's up to now.
Bohdi did give me the pollen chucker vibe since I first heard of him though just never seen him speak at all so no idea what he's working with/on or how he breeds.
bluntmassa1
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Yeah, 5-7 generations you can change some things but most breeders don't do that.
akhiymjames
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Bodhi been out longer than a lot of the breeders who are considered good. Yes he releases a lot of crosses but that's because he has lots and lots of elite moms to hit and see if his studs do what he wants them to do. When he releases those crosses that means his stud is doing what he wants. He know his traits and what his studs brings to the table and he is the only one I know of at the moment making actual p1 hybrids from landrace strains. No polyhybrid stuff in those projects so he is def a breeder and one of the best. He doesn't have a huge following for no reason believe that it's not hype it's his breeding even tho he doesn't make strains his cultivars are some of the best on the market cus he knows how to blend parents together.
GreenSanta
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I couldnt agree more, and this is why most of us endup with new crosses that are fire... but then go and create a new IMPROVED stable line out of it is what makes someone a breeder.
kmog33
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Yeah I think you may just be under informed about bodhi lol. That guy really knows how to picks males that compliment anything they touch. Subcool was good for a while but I think of recent he may be heading the track of Ghs on the money train.
Bodhi releases a lot of crosses. I don't know how many he actually claims as strains at this point other than the ones like Gogi that he's worked for a very long time.
DJ short and shanti are good ones as well. But DJ has a few great ones and seems to be off point on some of his crosses. It's definitely interesting to see how the breeding game has changed since all the legalization and breeders , good and bad, coming out into the open.
greywind
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I'm not sure where this notion of Vader OG only popping 10-20 beans at a time to find a usable father came from. I've been following his channel for years, probably seen just about every one, and I have never seen him do a run of less than fifty when he pops genetics. Also, I believe that what he showcases on YouTube is not the extent of his team's grow facilities. Plus, he openly admits to crossing and bx'ing of genetics to look for the one via a large pheno hunt. He isn't breeding for "stability" or IBL status, he openly admits to creating polyhybrids in order to find the next big thing.
Plus, he works with father's that he created, like Alien Rift. He isn't popping some other breeder's beans, finding a male from their work and hitting it to every clone only he has, a'la Greenpoint or some other true chuckers out there. Just my two cents. Carry on, cheers, and happy hunting!
Cornfed Dread
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Slow down I didn't say anything pertaining to what vader does or doesn't bro. I love him an his gear run sick stardestroyer og right now. Was speaking to the poster of comment I quoted about himself.
Cornfed Dread
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An yes I been following vader on YouTube for years myself. His vids are great an love him showing how seeds I pick up are made.
Cornfed Dread
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Hell I guess I too damn high today .my post did look like I implied numbers to vader. But anyway I m going to just continue my 420 rosin fest.oh shit it's not 420 anymore. Well guess I take another dab.
Beemo
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this is quoted from a reputable breeder. not going to say who...
How does a person come out with so many crosses in one year? I've been doing this for almost 13 years and I know what it takes to make a strain. How is it possible for someone to make 45 strains in a 4 year period? Something just doesn't feel right about that. I mean the selection for a male alone takes at least 1.5-3 years. Bodhi must have 5 or more males to be making all of those strains, or he's just pollen chucking the same male onto all of them. But what I don't understand if this is the case is why people eat them up like they're the bees knees?
How does a person come out with so many crosses in one year? I've been doing this for almost 13 years and I know what it takes to make a strain. How is it possible for someone to make 45 strains in a 4 year period? Something just doesn't feel right about that. I mean the selection for a male alone takes at least 1.5-3 years. Bodhi must have 5 or more males to be making all of those strains, or he's just pollen chucking the same male onto all of them. But what I don't understand if this is the case is why people eat them up like they're the bees knees?