Operation: Chronic Momma [1st grow]

blazeddd

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oh.. hahah lol im dumb

i threw out all of my premade water and remade one with nutes
i added in just a little bit, to get to the fill to here line and the water in the res is around 5.8 now
im hoping that tomorrow morning it will stay around there too.. but this morning it was at 7.1 or something.
what i was wondering is if i have to make changes to the water every day. i have to switch weekends sometimes(im not here for like 3 days almost).. and im worried about that
and the rise isnt too bad, but over time, it will go to 7.. like this morning.

and another one of those damn bugs came flying above me.. dont know from where.. but this one was bigger.. but it looks the same as the one on the plant last night
 

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smokinsam

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I experience that as well in all my hydro systems. My ph changes the closer i get to a res change the higher the ph gets. the higher it gets the slower my plants veg ( good tip for mother plants ) I never let it get over 6.5.

When i did my aero grow i messed up at first i kept adding water (in between res changes) that was mixed with nuets. Later i read that once you get up to full strength ( the level you are going to feed at ) you dont keep adding mixed water, you add fresh ph'd water to top off res until res change, once i started doing that i notice my plant did much better, meaning it actually lived lol
heres a shot of results of using the areogarden nuets.
 

smokinsam

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correction to last post the water i add is ph'd and has soluables added open sesame, and i use fox farm nuets

Also i would not be surprised to see a little yellowing in the leaves that are drooping that clone has a very small root system it will pull nuets from her leaves to develop more roots, remember your doing the oposite here than growing from seed
 

blazeddd

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oh ok thanks for the advice.
and im not sure what you mean, you said you used to add water + nutes, but then you found out you have to use fresh ph'd water. and then in the 2nd post you are saying to use water with open sesame. aren't those nutes too?
i was actually topping off my res with ph'd + nute water..
and ive been checking the ph a lot today, it seems to be doing better. i got it to 5.2 this morning.. i kept adding ph up, but it would change to 6.5 then i added ph down, it went down to 4.2 so i just got it to 5.2 and right now its at 5.5.

yeah i actually do see some yellowing.. i have the ph'd water mixed with 1/4 str of foxfarm right now. im planning on getting all 6 of the fox farm nutes too


oh yeah, ill be doing some upgrades soon.. planning to,
-get some chains and suspend ag light
-remove the whole ag base/light holder and replace with a 1 or 1.5gallon sort of bucket/container (probably 1 gallon.. dont think they have 1.5)
-rig the bucket with airstone im using now + getting a new circular airstone (my air pump has 2 tubes, and the other one is just being blocked off right now.. so might as well)
-get a cheaper ph meter.. because my friend got me a chemistry lab 300$ one.. but i think it's not working too well. it changes way to often. maybe too accurate. example is ill put it in, it'll start at 6.4 then slowly keep going down.. takes about 3 minutes until the meter stops going down/up..


and not sure if pictures show it, but its def growin little by little!! its awesome!! thanks so much everyone and especially sicc.. thanks for all the help bud! :weed::weed:
 

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smokinsam

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oh ok thanks for the advice.
and im not sure what you mean, you said you used to add water + nutes, but then you found out you have to use fresh ph'd water. and then in the 2nd post you are saying to use water with open sesame. aren't those nutes too?
i was actually topping off my res with ph'd + nute water..
and ive been checking the ph a lot today, it seems to be doing better. i got it to 5.2 this morning.. i kept adding ph up, but it would change to 6.5 then i added ph down, it went down to 4.2 so i just got it to 5.2 and right now its at 5.5.

yeah i actually do see some yellowing.. i have the ph'd water mixed with 1/4 str of foxfarm right now. im planning on getting all 6 of the fox farm nutes too


oh yeah, ill be doing some upgrades soon.. planning to,
-get some chains and suspend ag light
-remove the whole ag base/light holder and replace with a 1 or 1.5gallon sort of bucket/container (probably 1 gallon.. dont think they have 1.5)
-rig the bucket with airstone im using now + getting a new circular airstone (my air pump has 2 tubes, and the other one is just being blocked off right now.. so might as well)
-get a cheaper ph meter.. because my friend got me a chemistry lab 300$ one.. but i think it's not working too well. it changes way to often. maybe too accurate. example is ill put it in, it'll start at 6.4 then slowly keep going down.. takes about 3 minutes until the meter stops going down/up..


and not sure if pictures show it, but its def growin little by little!! its awesome!! thanks so much everyone and especially sicc.. thanks for all the help bud! :weed::weed:
so
what i meant was that i fill my res with my nuets and after that when i add water, i use ph 5.5 water with the soluable open sesame.
you should have got a nuet chart from fox farm on the chart you will notice it says top with fresh water and under the soluables it says add soluables with every feeding, remember i am using a much larger system than you are.

Sicc actually helped me as well when i first started growing so he is the bomb with advise.

do you plan on veging her? or going straight into flowering? if your gonna go straight to flower which you can with a clone then you follow the chart for nuets after the 12/12 light cycle.
I got my nuets through the big tomato and i got the treo pack of soluables for like 89.00

Lastly if you are planning on making a larger tub for those times that you are out for a long time i have an album on my profile that shows my cloner that i will use for flowering as well. i spent a total of less than 50.00 to build it. I would be happy to send you the specs.
 

blazeddd

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She looks good man :weed:
yea! im really happy with her.. gonna take really good care of her. thanks!
so
what i meant was that i fill my res with my nuets and after that when i add water, i use ph 5.5 water with the soluable open sesame.
you should have got a nuet chart from fox farm on the chart you will notice it says top with fresh water and under the soluables it says add soluables with every feeding, remember i am using a much larger system than you are.
oh ok then, solubles are different than nutes. i thought they were the same.

do you plan on veging her? or going straight into flowering? if your gonna go straight to flower which you can with a clone then you follow the chart for nuets after the 12/12 light cycle.
I got my nuets through the big tomato and i got the treo pack of soluables for like 89.00
yeah im veggin her right now, im planning on veggin her to 1.2ft or so.. then gonna flower her.
for my next grow, i was actually thinking of getting 3 clones and instantly flower them.. do you think that would be a good idea? because if i was to instantly flower, they would be smaller and i would THINK that the space wouldnt be much of an issue if they are smaller. what im going for is maximum yield. so if this 1 plant produces a good amount, i might just keep 1 big plant.. not too sure.
im planning on getting all 6 of the nutes too. i got a grow big and i think tiger bloom right now. gonna get the other 4 soon enough.

Lastly if you are planning on making a larger tub for those times that you are out for a long time i have an album on my profile that shows my cloner that i will use for flowering as well. i spent a total of less than 50.00 to build it. I would be happy to send you the specs.
yeah i actually got a 5.2L bucket today, perfect size really.. like 1.4 gallons or so. didnt get that circular airstone or cheaper ph meter, too expensive for now. i also got some chains to hang the ag hood with too. but yeah go ahead and send me a link to that.. always interested in learning more about this stuff.
 

smokinsam

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yea! im really happy with her.. gonna take really good care of her. thanks!

oh ok then, solubles are different than nutes. i thought they were the same.


yeah im veggin her right now, im planning on veggin her to 1.2ft or so.. then gonna flower her.
for my next grow, i was actually thinking of getting 3 clones and instantly flower them.. do you think that would be a good idea? because if i was to instantly flower, they would be smaller and i would THINK that the space wouldnt be much of an issue if they are smaller. what im going for is maximum yield. so if this 1 plant produces a good amount, i might just keep 1 big plant.. not too sure.
im planning on getting all 6 of the nutes too. i got a grow big and i think tiger bloom right now. gonna get the other 4 soon enough.


yeah i actually got a 5.2L bucket today, perfect size really.. like 1.4 gallons or so. didnt get that circular airstone or cheaper ph meter, too expensive for now. i also got some chains to hang the ag hood with too. but yeah go ahead and send me a link to that.. always interested in learning more about this stuff.
lets see if this works here is a link to my areo grow tub i put the instructions in the description
https://www.rollitup.org/members/smokinsam-85188-albums-aero-grow-gforce-strain-picture923700-home-made-aero-head-cloner.jpg

and this one for the aero head
https://www.rollitup.org/members/smokinsam-85188-albums-aero-grow-gforce-strain-picture929120-aero-grow-aero-head-design.jpg

sounds like you are planning a bubble ponics vs a hydro system? i like keeping my res separate because its so much easier doing a res change, you dont ever have to mess with roots unless you have to clean or replace sprayers.

Nope did not work
so here is the stuff
Aero grow aero head design

materials

2- pcv pipe 24"" 1/2 diam
2- T fittings
1- T fitting threaded in one hole
1- 1/2" treaded to 1/2 " hose fitting
4- 1/2" 90 deg angle fittings
4- end caps

cut pvc in the following sections

1st 2' section
4 -5" pieces
2- 2" pieces

2nd 2' section
4- 6" sections for a 14 gal tub
4- 3" sections for a 10 gal tug

smaller if for a smaller tub etc.

glue and primer

lay out pieces
drill holes for sprayers 11/32 is all most too big but thats what i had a little glue if they strip doing it now save from drilling after glueing and you turn the pieces when gluing to get right angle.

___5"______ __T___ ____5"______
___________ __ __ ____________
::
::
:: 2"
_::
----in----> _:: T (threaded )
::
:: 2"
__________ __::__ ____________
___5"_____ ___T__ ____5"______


prime and glue all together. if you are feeding from the bottom ( pump in grow chamber )
point threaded t fitting down, if using separate res turn to 90 deg angle for hose fitting.

Glue on 90 deg angle fittings legs and end caps ( make sure you measure tub first it needs to be low enough clear baskets or plugs in lid

Finished aero head is done.

very inexpensive less than 15.00


Aero tub design


materials

2- tubs i used 14 gal but only keep 5 gal water at one time so 10 gal is fine for lower
4- 1/2" male to male fittings
4- 1/2" rubber gromets
2- 90 deg 1/2" male to male fittings
1- 6' section of hose 1/2" dia. you might mess up and extra dont hurt and you dont want kinks so use what it takes to not kink.
1- pump i bought the 12.00 pump at my local hydro shop
4- 6" aero pots, plugs, plastic cups what ever to hold medium for cloner i use both 6" pots and the large black neopreme plugs.



Layout is a matter of choice and space i like to keep all hoses pointed in one direction but opposite ends makes more since in and out flow


dill 2 3/4" holes in each tub, one will need to align with aero head the straiter the better so if legs are 6" tall hole will be 6 1/4 aprox from bottom of grow chamber etc. eye balling works good too.
second hole in aero tub is a drain so if you want a flow through in res drill on oposite end of grow chamber.

holes in res are whatever fits nicely 3/4 " hole for gromet and hole for input from grow chamber. input needs to same side drain from grow chamber etc. pretty simple.

drill one more hole same end as the out hole but as low as you can go and still fit gromet in. insert gromet and put a 90 deg hose fitting in gromet 90 pointing up on outside of res. this is your water level indicator

Drill one more hole for cord if you are stacking them drill high and on the side it will take a big hole for plug to go in keep water level in mind, once cord is through the hole you can tape it or buy a plug from hydro shop i use black duck tape worked fine. just needs to keep light out.

assembling the pump in res run a length of hose from fitting in out hole to pump i suggest a 90 deg fitting and two pieces of hose up from the pump over to the out hole.



assemble all the stuff


Drill Holes in lid you can do whatever you want with the layout I offset them from the sprayer heads so the roots dont come directly down over the heads so they dont get root plugged and can be removed and replaced or cleaned when clogged with roots
 

blazeddd

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damn thanks man. that looks perfect for my next grow.. 4 trees would be awesome and i love the separate res design
ill def save this for next grow, thanks man

also i made all the upgrades.. attached some pics too

only question i have, can i just remove the AG lid and put the pod capsule into the cardboard hole?


also.. i lifted the lid.. it looks like foam.. could it be there is just a lot of bubbles? or is something else going on here..
-could it possibly be the adhesive from the tape disolving in the water or something? or the cardboard? i hope these are just a lot of bubbles from the airstone.. but im kinda worried.
 

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"SICC"

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Idk if i would use cardboard, its going to get all soggy and wet, the Ag lid doesn't fit on the new rez?
 

blazeddd

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[QUOTE="SICC";4148133]Idk if i would use cardboard, its going to get all soggy and wet, the Ag lid doesn't fit on the new rez?[/QUOTE]
it's a little too small.. just a little bigger and it would

update:
-the foam is nothing... i removed the airstones and all the foam went away. it's just a shitload of bubbles from the air pump hahah
i got 2 airstones in there now.. pretty nice bubble creation
-i also found a way better "lid" uploaded a picture

my only concerns:
-how can i keep the airstones down? they keep floating up to the top.. i mean they still make bubbles at the top, but its so few... if they go underwater, they make a lot more. how can i keep it underwater?
-is the pod in an okay spot? i just put it inside the hole i made.. im planning on returning the AG.. 50 bucks for nothing really.. just a little light at the top.. i might as well just go buy a few more cfl's
-how many cfl's is the AG bulb equivalent too? should i get like 2 more 6500's?


damn.. my roots are turning yellow/ light brown.. i cant take a good picture.. but its starting to turn brown i think.. i put some panda film and pushed down the pod a little more so that no light can touch the roots.. could that have been the problem?
 

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"SICC"

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it's a little too small.. just a little bigger and it would

update:
-the foam is nothing... i removed the airstones and all the foam went away. it's just a shitload of bubbles from the air pump hahah
i got 2 airstones in there now.. pretty nice bubble creation
-i also found a way better "lid" uploaded a picture

my only concerns:
-how can i keep the airstones down? they keep floating up to the top.. i mean they still make bubbles at the top, but its so few... if they go underwater, they make a lot more. how can i keep it underwater?
-is the pod in an okay spot? i just put it inside the hole i made.. im planning on returning the AG.. 50 bucks for nothing really.. just a little light at the top.. i might as well just go buy a few more cfl's
-how many cfl's is the AG bulb equivalent too? should i get like 2 more 6500's?


damn.. my roots are turning yellow/ light brown.. i cant take a good picture.. but its starting to turn brown i think.. i put some panda film and pushed down the pod a little more so that no light can touch the roots.. could that have been the problem?
I would try and glue it down or something, maybe hot glue, i doubt that would mess with the water, but im sure you can find some aquarium glue or something like that.
The hole should be fine as long as its in the middle.
I would try and make it a lil more light proof if the roots are going a lil yellow.
 

blazeddd

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[QUOTE="SICC";4149128]I would try and glue it down or something, maybe hot glue, i doubt that would mess with the water, but im sure you can find some aquarium glue or something like that.
The hole should be fine as long as its in the middle.
I would try and make it a lil more light proof if the roots are going a lil yellow.[/QUOTE]
okay ill look for some glue. thats a good idea
and i think it was because of the pod.. when i first made the lid, i made the pod stick out a little bit.. i just made the hole bigger, shoved it inside, and covered it up with panda film + tape.. so the pod and lid are one piece now, but atleast it should be light proof..

also does it have to be in the middle? i placed the AG lid on top of the plastic lid im using and just cut a circle the size of the ag lid. and the ag lid has 3 holes, neither were in the middle, so i just made it at the top middle hole.

could i use 2 soft lights to replace the AG hood with? or should I only stick to daylights for veg?
 

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smokinsam

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your ag hood light should be a full spectrum cfl so i would say no dont replace it with soft white. if those lights are 20 watts each you have the equivalent of what 1000 watts shining on that one plant,

another money saving trick i found with cfls and lights is i use a double adapter in my lights at wal mart for like 1.50 it screws into the socket and then you can put 2 bulbs in one hood. i use the bigger 9.99 hood from wal mart. and there is a limit to the size of bulb you can fit into the hood that way.

for right now if i were you i would leave the lights the way you got em. start collecting the soft white bulbs you will need for flowering. Lowes has a 200 watt soft white on sale right now for 16.00 that will fit a reg socket.
 

blazeddd

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yea all my cfls right now are 23 watt/100watt equiv
and i bought the soft lights when i bought the daylights. they are the same 23watts and i got 6 of those

ive been thinking of replacing the 4 reflectors with 2 bigger ones.. i already have those adapters you are talking about too. great to know they are only 1.50 at walmart.. I think I got 3 of them for like 10 bucks.

the thing is, im tryin to return the ag and get nutes. so i would need to return the hood too. ill need to check the ag site for the power those bulbs put out and then replace em with some full spectrum cfls and a new reflector
ok i found it:
http://www.gardeners.com/AeroGarden-%23174%3B-3-Pod-Elite-Grow-Bulb/AeroGardens_Cat,37-736,default,cp.html
it says for the elite version of AG3, but I think it should be the same. its daylight and only puts out 1400.. 20 bucks.. what crap lol
one more daylight cfl would be enough to replace it.. haha i think ill get a 2-pack daylight and use that to replace it.

ok i upgraded my system a little more.. new pics
the top light is 2 more 23watt 6500 daylights instead of the ag hood
added some more pics too. seems like she was a little more excited before.. now shes just chillin

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-also the tips of the leaves are yellowing/ some even have brown dots. im guessing this is because of the root system trying to grow, so it borrows from the leaves. should i not worry about it?
-and she looks a little different from the first day i got her.. she was really happy and kinda sprang upwards, but now shes kinda just :l -did i do something wrong? it kinda seems the leaves are kinda drooping down too.. especially the smaller, newer ones that are forming.. they are kinda curling downwards. should i flush and just use normal 5.7 water without nutes? maybe its too early for nutes? ive been using 1/4 of foxfarm big bloom and growbig
here is a ph log of today..
-12:10am - Over 6 - adjusted to: 5.35
-1:35am - 5.5
-11:11am - 5.85
-1:06pm - 5.75
-2:45pm - 5.85
-4:02pm - 5.95
-Flush, refill with 5.65 + 1/4 nutes
-5:36pm - 5.65
-7:55pm - 6.1 > 5.1
-10:45pm - 5.3
 

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blazeddd

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hey man thanks, just came home from work..
and your plants are lookin really nice man.. cant wait to see those yummy buds!
will update some pictures from today soon - day 5!!! fif!! ahaha

got some questions too..
-the tips of the leaves are yellowing/ some even have brown dots. im guessing this is because of the root system trying to grow, so it borrows from the leaves. should i not worry about it?
-and she looks a little different from the first day i got her.. she was really happy and kinda sprang upwards, but now shes kinda just :l -did i do something wrong? it kinda seems the leaves are kinda drooping down too.. especially the smaller, newer ones that are forming.. they are kinda curling downwards. should i flush and just use normal 5.7 water without nutes? maybe its too early for nutes? ive been using 1/4 of foxfarm big bloom and growbig
here is a ph log of today..
-12:10am - Over 6 - adjusted to: 5.35
-1:35am - 5.5
-11:11am - 5.85
-1:06pm - 5.75
-2:45pm - 5.85
-4:02pm - 5.95
-Flush, refill with 5.65 + 1/4 nutes
-5:36pm - 5.65
-7:55pm - 6.1 > 5.1
-10:45pm - 5.3
 
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