Extrusion
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considering you must be 21 or older to enter a liquor store i think it's safe to say yes, and that it will be 21.
Oregon! First to legalize?
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rob the pot head
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C'mon Oregon maybe there's still hope for this country !
chief-menebudz187
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yeah you guys better make a good impression out there in OR so the rest of this dam country can get tha ball rollin on that re-legalization what not. CANT WAIT
mondaypurple
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legalization would suck. decrminalize.
Nothing "sticky" about it. The feds will go after anyone whoever makes the mistaken notion that "states rights" trump federal law, or the US Constitution.
But I'd like to congratulate them for getting a worthless law on the books, if they could get so many people to vote for it!
In all reality, you could have every person in every state vote for any marijuana law they want, but even if these laws passed at the local, state, and federal level, they'd unfortunately never be able to be realized as law. The Constitution in the US is pretty clear on it.
Nice dream, though!
Kant
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so being the pessimist that i am....i don't know. i think before anyone on the federal level even considers a change (whether that means for mmj or legalization) it's gonna require at least half the states including all of the largest ones. so california , texas, new york, florida, illinois, ohio, pennsylvania; of those only cali has mmj laws.
that having been said even if things changed the DEA actually has the power to reschedule it. they can't just arbitrarily reschedule but they can submit a requestion to Human Health Services (HHS), who will then study it and recommend a course of action to the DEA. The DEA then has the right to do anything they see fit. the only thing binding the DEA is if the HHS says it should not be controlled the DEA can't control it BUT if the HHS say it should be control as a schedule V drug the DEA has the right to schedule it at any classification it wants. so they could place it right back at schedule I.
How many stupid people too high to read the Constitution does it take to legalize marijuana?
Did you know that there is NO SUCH THING as "legal" marijuana in the USA? The only use that could ever even be judged "legal" would be religious use, as that freedom is enshrined in the US Constitution.
Did you also know that marijuana is illegal in the US because of the UN Convention on Psychotropic Substances? (The Great Timothy Leary defeated the Marijuana Tax Act a long time ago)
The UN Convention, of which the US is a signatory member, is an international agreement. An international treaty entered into by the US with almost the rest of the world. It was ratified by the government of the United States.
The US Constitution is quite clear about international treaties. Article Six of the US Constitution reads, in part:
"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."
This second clause says that laws and treaties ratified according to the Constitution are in fact the "supreme law of the land." All courts, local, state, and federal defer to the law of the US Constitution. Even state laws and constitutions are in fact subordinate to federal law.
Under the UN convention, criminal penalties are REQUIRED for cannabis possession and distribution. The DEA operates under federal law, AND the UN Convention. It is their CONSTITUTIONAL duty to enforce the (unpopular and unjust) federal laws on marijuana. Heck, the DEA can enforce marijuana laws in any country, it seems.
So, barring the US withdrawing from the UN, or a Constitutional amendment being made, there's no chance or way marijuana could EVER be "legal".
Decrim. is the best you can hope for.
I just keep thinking of all those times as a much younger man, when people would tell me "if you don't like the laws, then change them." They knew at the time that it was impossible. Some people are still inspired to try and change laws they can't do anything about. I'm glad that I was able to separate "idealism" from "bullchit". So many others can't.
As the US Constitution is written, there is no legal marijuana anywhere in the United States, despite how much you smoke that makes you think that "state rights" matters a fig in the whole scheme.
When it comes to marijuana, there is NO state rights, only the US Constitution and an international treaty that make cannabis criminal.
Did you know that there is NO SUCH THING as "legal" marijuana in the USA? The only use that could ever even be judged "legal" would be religious use, as that freedom is enshrined in the US Constitution.
Did you also know that marijuana is illegal in the US because of the UN Convention on Psychotropic Substances? (The Great Timothy Leary defeated the Marijuana Tax Act a long time ago)
The UN Convention, of which the US is a signatory member, is an international agreement. An international treaty entered into by the US with almost the rest of the world. It was ratified by the government of the United States.
The US Constitution is quite clear about international treaties. Article Six of the US Constitution reads, in part:
"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."
This second clause says that laws and treaties ratified according to the Constitution are in fact the "supreme law of the land." All courts, local, state, and federal defer to the law of the US Constitution. Even state laws and constitutions are in fact subordinate to federal law.
Under the UN convention, criminal penalties are REQUIRED for cannabis possession and distribution. The DEA operates under federal law, AND the UN Convention. It is their CONSTITUTIONAL duty to enforce the (unpopular and unjust) federal laws on marijuana. Heck, the DEA can enforce marijuana laws in any country, it seems.
So, barring the US withdrawing from the UN, or a Constitutional amendment being made, there's no chance or way marijuana could EVER be "legal".
Decrim. is the best you can hope for.
I just keep thinking of all those times as a much younger man, when people would tell me "if you don't like the laws, then change them." They knew at the time that it was impossible. Some people are still inspired to try and change laws they can't do anything about. I'm glad that I was able to separate "idealism" from "bullchit". So many others can't.
As the US Constitution is written, there is no legal marijuana anywhere in the United States, despite how much you smoke that makes you think that "state rights" matters a fig in the whole scheme.
When it comes to marijuana, there is NO state rights, only the US Constitution and an international treaty that make cannabis criminal.
Kant
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that's actually not entirely true. there are 4 or 5 people still in the compassionate investigational new drug program who get a monthly tin of mmj from the federal gov't.
hazeyindahead
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Obviously xenu just feels like being an arguing stoner...
Fact is the law is up for votes, so lets see what happens.. right? Without having someone high and not so mighty taking everything out of proportion, as if taking steps in any direction of positive MJ rep is good.
So yes, I will go ahead and probably being residing in OR somewhere by the time this comes to vote.
Fact is the law is up for votes, so lets see what happens.. right? Without having someone high and not so mighty taking everything out of proportion, as if taking steps in any direction of positive MJ rep is good.
So yes, I will go ahead and probably being residing in OR somewhere by the time this comes to vote.
joemomma
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The same amount it takes to realize that the US has a fairly long tradition of violating treaties it signs. Just ask a native American. Treaties smeaties. Treaties are only worth the paper they are written on as long as that treaty has a value to the signers. Once the government figures a way that they can make assloads of money by legalizing it and not looking soft on crime they will. Once that happens the treaty becomes unprofitable and therefore unneeded.The US will turn it's back on that treaty.
Kant
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....i don't know. even if the gov't gets a lot of money, you'll still have to get past the DEA because no matter what they'll be losing a buttload of money.
joemomma
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I could not agree with you more. The DEA is the biggest proponent of prohibition. Why? Without the "demon weed" there is just not enough of an illegal drug problem to justify their huge budget.
hazeyindahead
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Yes, the DEA isnt making any money it is a money to waste deal with getting rid of drugs, the DEA would become MORE concentrated on dealing with more hardcore drugs if weed was legal.
The DEA would probably not get a budget cut at all, once they start having their full focus on the truly detrimental drugs, they can probably go a lot farther destroying those trafficking infrastructures.
Imagine a true dea crackdown on meth? Or fucking coke? Yeah... that would be a nice place for a bong rip
The DEA would probably not get a budget cut at all, once they start having their full focus on the truly detrimental drugs, they can probably go a lot farther destroying those trafficking infrastructures.
Imagine a true dea crackdown on meth? Or fucking coke? Yeah... that would be a nice place for a bong rip
Kant
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are you kidding? congress would look a the DEA's budget and say 'well you're spending X amount on preventing pot but since pot is legal now you don't need that money"Yes, the DEA isnt making any money it is a money to waste deal with getting rid of drugs, the DEA would become MORE concentrated on dealing with more hardcore drugs if weed was legal.
The DEA would probably not get a budget cut at all, once they start having their full focus on the truly detrimental drugs, they can probably go a lot farther destroying those trafficking infrastructures.
Imagine a true dea crackdown on meth? Or fucking coke? Yeah... that would be a nice place for a bong rip
EarthlyPassions
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I truly believe that the DEA would simply scramble to slap 'cocaine' over all the anti-marijuana stuff that's out there and go on about business as usual.
hazeyindahead
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Right because that would be a predictable thing to do for a slipper slope to worse drug enforcement across the board, instead of just marijuana.
If the dea isnt spending the full budget they are given, for getting rid of MJ, ON getting rid of MJ, then they have problems already.
GrowItGreen
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Just to jump back a few pages where someone said it would take a lot of major states to legalize before the fed's would and that California was the only state where there was med mari laws. I think that is what is wrong with people in their 20's to early 30's in this country (US) we breed ignorance and laziness, no one desires to do anything even if it is typing words in a search engine...there are a few states that have med mari laws and a few that have decrim poss so while Cali may make news its not the only one just cause its the only one on the T.V. Also if you would have clicked the link and read the proposal you would see the age is 21 and it is for 2010...I know half of you are high but shit you don't even have to get up, just click. Also to add to the argument Alaska overturned a city decision to jail a man for possession of more than an ounce when state constitution said up to 4 ounces was legal in your home and city law made it illegal (I believe 4 ounces, maybe less), my point here is that states don't like to get punked and I personally believe that whether it be city or fed's if a state says it's legal, you appeal to a state judge or higher and you should win. JMO
Medical Marijuana Laws (according to NORML)
Washington
OregonCaliforniaNevada
Montana
Alaska
Colorado
New Mexico
HawaiiMaryland
Vermont
MaineDecriminalization (according to NORML)
Oregon
California
Nevada
Alaska
ColoradoNebraska
Minnesota
MississippiOhio
North Carolina
New York
Maine
These lists do not include many of the states that offer conditional deals I.E. dismissal, probation or community service for first offense possession.
In closing please read the entire post before you attempt to sharp shoot my information.
Medical Marijuana Laws (according to NORML)
Washington
OregonCaliforniaNevada
Montana
Alaska
Colorado
New Mexico
HawaiiMaryland
Vermont
MaineDecriminalization (according to NORML)
Oregon
California
Nevada
Alaska
ColoradoNebraska
Minnesota
MississippiOhio
North Carolina
New York
Maine
These lists do not include many of the states that offer conditional deals I.E. dismissal, probation or community service for first offense possession.
In closing please read the entire post before you attempt to sharp shoot my information.
RomperStomper
Active Member
I'm freaking out so bad.
Holy Shit Right Now!!!
All these words just made me trip balls!