Oregon Rec. Grow

Update at my garden. Seeds started indoors on 4/18, put outdoors on 5/18; this update on 7/16. Soil is basic organic garden raised bed with lots of compost and some soil amendments. Seed stock were from Oregon Green Seeds and variety Mammoth (pure Indica)

This is the biggest girl of my four. She's topping 6 feet right now.


Everybody seems happy except my dog in the last photo because I wasn't throwing the ball.

A little bit of bug damage, a few holes on three or four leaves but nothing major and no signs of who did it. Reading some of the other posts in this thread has gotten me a bit paranoid. So, I spent time looking for PM or spider mites or anything else and it all looks clean. No plans to treat proactively for bugs, I'm just keeping an eye out for them.

I grow wine grapes, about a half acre of Pinot Noir, Pinot Gris, Chardonnay and Marshal Foch. Powdery mildew has been awful this year on the European strains. The worst that I've seen and I've been maintaining this vineyard for about 15 years. No sign of PM on my MJ, however. On the grapes, I spray to prevent PM using OMSI approved materials but my spray interval of 10-14 days just wasn't up to the pressure this year.

QUESTION: What @Humanrob said was he had problems with bud rot last year and that got me planning for the flowering season. In my vegetable garden, I use BT to control caterpillars on leafy crops and in my grape vineyard, I use Serenade (b. subtilus) to prevent botyris late in the season. I'm wondering if a spray-mix of these two organic pest preventatives would be a good idea or maybe overkill? Any suggestions out there?

Fogdog said:

Update at my garden. Seeds started indoors on 4/18, put outdoors on 5/18; this update on 7/16. Soil is basic organic garden raised bed with lots of compost and some soil amendments.

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nice plants and proud pup

Here's my back yard med. grow in beautiful southern Oregon.
This was about a month ago....

And now just the other day.....

Getting bigger!
I'm thinning all my girls out, and as a result, I have, literally, about 2,000 beautiful tips cut out and plugged in as clone fodder.... so I'm sitting in southern Oregon with 2000+ clone off of lovely outdoor plants. These clones are sun acclimated n everything, and healthy in every way.. As the plants they were cut off of are. Any ideas on what to do with these clones or how to get them out and among the growing population?


Killer strains too, Oregon lemons, grape smugglers, blackberry train wreck, blueberry fuel, Panama dc, Panama red, GSC, blue dream, skunk #1, northern lights #5, gorilla glue #4, pre '98 bubba kush, bride of chucky, 9lb hammer, Tahoe og, fire alien white, white berry, strawberry cough, pineapple, LSD, blackberry kush, and probable a few more I forgot. I have males of almost all these kinds too, so I'm gonna make a million seeds this year.


Oh yeah.... here's the rec. grow I'm working on too..
This is about a month old photo, they've really turned it on this last month. Looking much better than they look in this pic...

breadboy said:

Here's my back yard med. grow in beautiful southern Oregon.
This was about a month ago....
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And now just the other day.....
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I'm thinning all my girls out, and as a result, I have, literally, about 2,000 beautiful tips cut out and plugged in as clone fodder.... so I'm sitting in southern Oregon with 2000+ clone off of lovely outdoor plants. These clones are sun acclimated n everything, and healthy in every way.. As the plants they were cut off of are. Any ideas on what to do with these clones or how to get them out and among the growing population?
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Killer strains too, Oregon lemons, grape smugglers, blackberry train wreck, blueberry fuel, Panama dc, Panama red, GSC, blue dream, skunk #1, northern lights #5, gorilla glue #4, pre '98 bubba kush, bride of chucky, 9lb hammer, Tahoe og, fire alien white, white berry, strawberry cough, pineapple, LSD, blackberry kush, and probable a few more I forgot. I have males of almost all these kinds too, so I'm gonna make a million seeds this year.


Oh yeah.... here's the rec. grow I'm working on too..
This is about a month old photo, they've really turned it on this last month. Looking much better than they look in this pic...
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Outstanding grow. Thanks for sharing. I'm just a noob without room for more to take on and have no idea about how to get those beautiful clones into people's gardens. I hope your reaching out here gets you in touch with the right people.

Fogdog said:

I use BT to control caterpillars on leafy crops and in my grape vineyard, I use Serenade (b. subtilus) to prevent botyris late in the season. I'm wondering if a spray-mix of these two organic pest preventatives would be a good idea or maybe overkill? Any suggestions out there?

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Do you spray Serenade preventatively or after you see symptoms? I would put myself at the noob end of the spectrum; but it seems no one is keen on spraying the ripening flowers. I could be wrong...

@breadboy impressive spread!

You dont want to spray anything on ripening flowers unless you want to smoke it

Fogdog said:

Outstanding grow. Thanks for sharing. I'm just a noob without room for more to take on and have no idea about how to get those beautiful clones into people's gardens. I hope your reaching out here gets you in touch with the right people.

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oh boy....

WV: Jetson said:

Do you spray Serenade preventatively or after you see symptoms? I would put myself at the noob end of the spectrum; but it seems no one is keen on spraying the ripening flowers. I could be wrong...

@breadboy impressive spread!

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For grapes, I spray to prevent because European wine grapes have practically no resistance to PM. No spray = no crop. I have great results controlling PM and Botryris on wine grapes using a combination of Serenade and Regalia (knotweed extract). Knotweed extract contains Reservatrol which amps up the immune system of plants. But I only rotate to Serenade beginning mid-August. Before then, I use a pure mineral oil called Purespray Green. The mineral oil acts as both protectant and treatment for PM infections. The recommended spray schedule is 7-10 days. In the past I've gotten away with 10-14 day schedule but not this year. For food crops, Serenade and Regalia can be used up to the day of harvest. They have no toxicity as far as people are concerned. Both are OMSI (organic) certified for food crops.

I'm a first year MJ grower and just put the idea out there. I have read of people spraying Serenade and BT on MJ flowers but nothing from anybody who really knows. Serenade is a strain of b. subtillus, a common soil bacteria. It's almost certainly on flowers at harvest, as well as in people's GI tract. The amount used is very dilute. Its all just a guess to me whether or not its safe to use on MJ, which is why I put it out there.

Here is a link to one article that mentions using Serenade to prevent PM or to treat bud rot:
http://www.cannabis.info/us/abc/30006965-bud-rot-and-powdery-mildew

Regarding Serenade to treat for Bud Rot:
If circumstances do not allow the environment to be controlled, use preventive measures such as applying Bacillus subtilis (QST 713, known by the brand name Serenade), or a fungicide like Ed Rosenthal’s Zero Tolerance Herbal Fungicide, which includes potassium bicarbonate. Fungicides are more effective when used preventively, so apply at the beginning of the wet season. - See more at: http://www.cannabis.info/us/abc/30006965-bud-rot-and-powdery-mildew#sthash.0LV4TN2O.dpuf

Regarding Serenade to prevent PM:
Some biological controls also work against powdery mildew. Serenade, when applied weekly, puts powdery mildew into remission. Another strain of bacteria, Bacillus pumilus (QST 2808, known by the brand name Sonata), produces a compound that disrupts fungal development. Sonata does not eradicate powdery mildew completely, but it works well in combination with Serenade or other solutions to greatly reduce an infection. Zero Tolerance Herbal Fungicide and Serenade work synergistically to combat powdery mildew and prevent its recurrence.

Marijuana doesnt go through the same processing as food crops and do you combust your grapes? Likey not. I dont spray shit on my flowers except for the 1st week or 2 in flowering. After that negative

Vnsmkr said:

You dont want to spray anything on ripening flowers unless you want to smoke it

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So, then bud rot is prevented how? Oregon usually gets a heavy rain or two by the last few weeks of September then dries up for a few more weeks. Do I just cross my fingers?

Mammoth is not a very late flowering variety, which is why I picked it as a first time grower. Hopefully the harvest is done before the rains but it will be close.

You need to work out some coverings and increase air flow....no you dont just cross your fingers

Vnsmkr said:

You need to work out some coverings and increase air flow....no you dont just cross your fingers

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Thx

We get a pretty solid 3 month wet season where I am so I understand. Just lost alot of a Haze cross to bud rot. Usually I have oscillating fans on them but I slacked this year. After rains get out there and shake then off if you can and if you have buds close to main stem pry them away as much as you feel comfortable as water builds up there

Fogdog said:

So, then bud rot is prevented how? Oregon usually gets a heavy rain or two by the last few weeks of September then dries up for a few more weeks. Do I just cross my fingers?

Mammoth is not a very late flowering variety, which is why I picked it as a first time grower. Hopefully the harvest is done before the rains but it will be close.

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It is a tightrope walk for us at the end... Last year bag seed #1 (one plant) was chopped in the middle of September & #2 (again, one plant) in the middle of October. #2 got the rot. The main reason I went with OGS seeds this year: early finishing. Last year I hooped each individual plant and had evaporation collecting on the inside every night.

I wonder if there is a fan that could stay out overnight and not crap out...

This all being said, spraying Serenade up and into early flowering doesn't sound like a bad idea. Anyone else worked with it before?

Should be fine early flowering with serenade I just wouldnt be spraying it late. Squirrel cage fans are pretty handy maybe you could weatherize one

Vnsmkr said:

We get a pretty solid 3 month wet season where I am so I understand. Just lost alot of a Haze cross to bud rot. Usually I have oscillating fans on them but I slacked this year. After rains get out there and shake then off if you can and if you have buds close to main stem pry them away as much as you feel comfortable as water builds up there

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Leaf blower would work

Fogdog said:

So, then bud rot is prevented how? Oregon usually gets a heavy rain or two by the last few weeks of September then dries up for a few more weeks. Do I just cross my fingers?

Mammoth is not a very late flowering variety, which is why I picked it as a first time grower. Hopefully the harvest is done before the rains but it will be close.

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It seems like you have to strike a balance between keeping rain off without trapping moisture in. Fans seem to help a lot. I had two plants next to each other in the same enclosure, one got bud rot and the other didn't. Genetics is huge. Hopefully if we all keep sharing our stories, at the end of the season we'll all know more about which strains are resistant than we do now.

Humanrob said:

It seems like you have to strike a balance between keeping rain off without trapping moisture in. Fans seem to help a lot. I had two plants next to each other in the same enclosure, one got bud rot and the other didn't. Genetics is huge. Hopefully if we all keep sharing our stories, at the end of the season we'll all know more about which strains are resistant than we do now.

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Also harvest dates for the different strains.

Happiness is sitting out back, cleaning garlic and smellin' the waves of skunk from the Swiss Strawberry around the corner...

My little corner of the world is loving finally having full warm sunny days. Finally.

The Jillybean I ripped from the SIP and put in a regular cloth pot looks no worse for the wear.


All that's left of the one boy I found out of six from seed.... RIP (i.e. compost well, my friend)


A quick pic of the yard, can't see them all but you can see a couple in SIPs, and one SIP that is now submerged into the ground... because I can't stop playing with these things.