Organic super soil mix from scratch - for ROLS

bassman999 said:

I split up between 3 totes now for more air. It stinks pretty bad and the family is complaining. I moved it to the garage now.
I hope it restores back to aerobic soon, even the dog is complaining about the smell sniffing and huffing.

Should I add the sugar now to aid its recovery or add Mycos?

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That is good that you split it up if it is anaerobic and wet, the air is the only thing needed I would not add sugar. If it still smells strong then I would say it still needs more cooking time.

The other possibility, if it was too dry the whole time and has not really cooked, you would still be able to sell the chicken manure, although chicken manure does not smell anaerobic. If so, it would need to be wet to break down thoroughly. If your situation is indoors sharing with family you can use composted chicken manure rather than raw because it has almost no smell.

hillbill said:

Too tall on big pots for your area. 3 gal is workable.

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I have square pots that are 9.5x9.5bottom and 12x12 top and are 12" tall. I worked that out to 5.9 gal. Not sure if this is right, but that height seems usable. My 3 gal cloth are 8" tall so not much difference for double the volume.

SupraSPL said:

That is good that you split it up if it is anaerobic and wet, the air is the only thing needed I would not add sugar. If it still smells strong then I would say it still needs more cooking time.

The other possibility, if it was too dry the whole time and has not really cooked, you would still be able to sell the chicken manure, although chicken manure does not smell anaerobic. If so, it would need to be wet to break down thoroughly. If your situation is indoors sharing with family you can use composted chicken manure rather than raw because it has almost no smell.

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I did not add the chicken manure nor the pure grow since I didnt find them in my area. I substituted a different ratio bat bat guano for the chicken poop, and used roots organic as a base and hope that does what the orgaincare would have...?
The soil was wet the whole time, and is still wet, but not soaked just moist and no water squeezes out.
The tote it was in is 16" tall and was packed with a lid. Thinking about it it was a bad idea.
I have some leftover that went into a cement mixing bin at 4-6" deep and it smells like it is supposed to.
The one from tote is now at that depth, so now 4 sections of the soil.

hillbill said:

Too tall on big pots for your area. 3 gal is workable.

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How about a large tote with shallow height that might hold more that 3 gall per plant.
Something like an under bed storage bin?
I just know (4) 3 gallon pots are not going to yield enough, and its too late to get more clones/seedlings.
I am running (5) 3 gall pots now and looks like 1.5 oz each, but that is in cloth pots and with dry chemical fertilizers.

In late fall every year, Walmarts not just one, mark down their Miracle Grow Organic Choice bone meal and blood meal and organic plant food which is poultry litter and feather meal. Used this stuff in and out for a while now. The litter can be a bit obnoxious inside. Bone meal is piggy not cow.

Not a Scotts fan, but if you don't care might be good to know. Scotts has many nameplates these days, many.

hillbill said:

In late fall every year, Walmarts not just one, mark down their Miracle Grow Organic Choice bone meal and blood meal and organic plant food which is poultry litter and feather meal. Used this stuff in and out for a while now. The litter can be a bit obnoxious inside. Bone meal is piggy not cow.

Not a Scotts fan, but if you don't care might be good to know. Scotts has many nameplates these days, many.

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Ill keep an eye out for this

Update

Soil is stirred a few times a day and smells like soil agin

Got 30 gal batch cooking for 2 months, it's very light for LEDs and winter, smells like good black dirt. I started organic to cut waste and minimizing soil death by salts. 20% or so used each batch, is as rich as I get to work. I treat it like promix or 3b. I also assume minerals and micros remain to some degree so I've cut back on greensand, rock phosphate and gravel (sharp sand). Cotton burr compost is always in the mix, great inside and out.

I have Talinis nursery by me so I went back today to et the bone meal they were out oflast time and bought humic acid. Everything is sold bulk by the pound dry. I bought about a half pound of that.
Is there any need for that in the mix?
I also bought langbeinie 0-0-22
Has anyone ever used this?

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With some net searching I think Ill let the langbeinie just sit in the bag as it sounds like it will burn them since it dissolves so easy

Hard to burn with langbeinite (sul po mag, or Kmag) and is very handy to cure deficiencies. Check Mosaic co website. I use a little in my watering water with small amount of molasses.

hillbill said:

Hard to burn with langbeinite (sul po mag, or Kmag) and is very handy to cure deficiencies. Check Mosaic co website. I use a little in my watering water with small amount of molasses.

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Ill check it out
Looks like the humic acids might be beneficial in the teas

Worm castings is a good source. No room to make some so l get castings at the nursery. Sometimes online. Imported 14,000,000 gnats once. Make my own compost for teas and have one can that's been "cooking" for years. Humors and fulvics are supposed to be very important. Earthy,earthy! Also use peat from bog garden. Using these outdoor goodies in tea rather than in your mix limits pests. Liven up any mix.

hillbill said:

Worm castings is a good source. No room to make some so l get castings at the nursery. Sometimes online. Imported 14,000,000 gnats once. Make my own compost for teas and have one can that's been "cooking" for years. Humors and fulvics are supposed to be very important. Earthy,earthy! Also use peat from bog garden. Using these outdoor goodies in tea rather than in your mix limits pests. Liven up any mix.

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I want to make a compost, but dont know how or what stuff to and not to use yet, so still researching.
Also how and where to do the compost is on my to learn list.
Until I make a compost pile/bin or whatever are store bought humic acids better added to soil, or only used in the teas?

SupraSPL said:

Not exactly scientific but you can check the approximate fertility with a PPM meter. Add 25 ml of soil sample to 100 ml of ~100-150ppm water. Check the instant PPM but check it again after ~8 hours. The reading should rise by ~200PPM. I aim for ~ 800PPM for the 8 hour reading. Spent soil is about 500-550. This can help you if you forget which soil was used and which was reammended.

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So this is basically is a 4:1 ratio of water to soil?
I am using 1 cup 140ppm tap to 1/4 soil

bassman999 said:

So this is basically is a 4:1 ratio of water to soil?
I am using 1 cup 140ppm tap to 1/4 soil

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Initial reading is 345ppm, so looks like my mix is too weak, my recipe varied a lil based on whats available, no chicky doo doo in mine and a few other things were substituted

bassman999 said:

Initial reading is 345ppm, so looks like my mix is too weak, my recipe varied a lil based on whats available, no chicky doo doo in mine and a few other things were substituted

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Yes 4:1 is correct. Did it read 345 right away or after a few hours? Either way I agree, more fertility generally recommended.

SupraSPL said:

Yes 4:1 is correct. Did it read 345 right away or after a few hours? Either way I agree, more fertility generally recommended.

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I added more of everything, and now after 8 hrs 600ppm.
I am gonna source some poop to add in there to help out..
My understanding is that guanos dissolve faster than raw chicken or rabbit poop so adding too much will make i too hot and not last for the long haul?
Too bad I didnt find the exact stuff from the beginning, I hope I didnt ruin my soil, but making it unbalanced, time will tell

Raw chicken litter is hot hot HOT! Caution!

hillbill said:

Raw chicken litter is hot hot HOT! Caution!

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I am just looking for a good thing to add more of or supplement to get my ppms up

Thanks for the recipe and motivation.
My first organic run, my first scrog, and my second time with diy cobs.
23" x 48" tent, screen 21 x 46"
one side Sannie;s Jack yielded 226g plus what I smoked along the way
Other side Seedism Killawatt 241g plus samples along the way.
12 cobs, 4 CXB3590 3500K, 2 CXB3070 3500K, and 6 CXA3070 3000K.
Ran off of 2 HLG-240H-42B, 6 cobs per driver, each driver dimmed to 176 watts
I come up with over 1.25 gp/w
This is over 3X more gp/w than I have ever done before!!
All I had to do was water them every few days, and with no drain holes there was no mess!!!
I wasnt going to grow another run till winter, and I have soo much to smoke, but I cant wait to see what I can do with some other strains. My friends will have plenty of samples and buds lol.
I gave 2 oz away o a paraplegic friend of a friend whos grower moved out of state.

I think I have found the ultimate growing style ( for me) and want to thank all in the thread and RIU for the help and info!!