Outdoor headband with droopy tops

Dudeness

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I have two outdoor headband clones in 7 gallon fabric pots with tga supersoil. I planted them in early June and they've grown quite well. They now stand about 4.5 ft tall and nearly 4ft wide. I've battled some powdery mildew after naively not taking preventative measures. I've managed to keep it nearly nonexistent with a combination of foliar sprays, primarily actinovate and organocide.

On to the droopiness. In the last day the leaves on both plants have gone limp, though remain supple (as opposed to crispy). The drooping started on the main cola and it's still more pronounced in that area. The plants otherwise still look healthy and have began showing a slightly higher concentration of pistils as they near what I guess would be the beginning of their second week of flower.

A few things I've switched up in the last few weeks: I fed them a little silica (dynagro protect about 0.5 tsp/gal) to beef up the leaves and stems; I've used a little earth juice molasses (1 tsp/gal); and I've foliar fed with: actinovate and organocide, first one then the other, separately, and on consecutive days (3rd time in about a 5 day cycle... plants seem to love the organocide); once with a little silica at half a teaspoon per gallon; and once with axiom harpin proteins (final two were for the PM). None of the foliar sprays seemed to bother the plants.

All of the additives were given individually. Other than all they've had is tap water left to bubble for at least 24 hrs. I have quality tap where I live.

My three guesses are: it could be a pH shift from silica, but I feel the super soil would withstand the shift with its ability to stabilize. It could be overwatering, but they've been real thirsty and, as I understand it, overwatering leads to drooping initiated in the lower leaves. I've been giving them approx 2 gal every day and a half (temps in the low 80's during hottest part of day). It could be root bound as they're rather large in their 7 gal containers.

I'll post some photos for your reference.
 

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Dudeness

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thank you for your response.

is it safe to transplant this early in flower? My guess is yes. Should i be extra gentle or should i get into the rootball and loosen it up during transplant? Also, since the tga supersoil comes in 10 gallon bags it's logical that I'd bump each 7 gal up to a 13 gal. Would that be too much soil for the plant since it's just getting into flower? Or should i just go for regular soil and skip the super soil since it doesn't seem nutrient starved at all? Basically, what method would people suggest for transplanting these ladies as smoothly as possible so as not to disrupt their early flower period? sorry for the laundry list of question, just thought I'd get them all out there.

thank you in advance for responses.
 

Dudeness

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Here's a couple more photos to give an idea of where they're at in flower. Plus a stem shot. As I said, they're not too far along yet.

Hope this helps
 

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Rold2Tight

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They look like they are just starting to flower. So transplanting should be fine. I transplanted a few, that were farther along, 2 weeks ago and they are thriving. Doubling the pot volume is a good idea :hump: I try to be pretty gentle when plants are larger or this far along. So I disturb the roots as little as possible, but I'm mainly worried about the branches. This may work better with 2 people. The soil looks fairly dry so this should be a good time to loosen them from their pots.

Good Luck :peace:
 

Dudeness

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what do you think about the super soil? should i go with another bag of TGA or just pick up some standard organic soil?
 

Rold2Tight

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what do you think about the super soil? should i go with another bag of TGA or just pick up some standard organic soil?
Up to you. As you say, they probably don't need much in the way of nutes. So non-juiced medium should work well. If you'll be starting bud boosters soon (you know that 50-30 P-K stuff), you probably won't want nutes in the medium anyway.

Good Luck
 

Dudeness

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thanks.

gonna run down to the shop and grab a couple 15 gallon bags and 10 gallons of high quality organic dirt. By the time they go to bed tonight they'll be resting gently in their new homes. Now that I'm set on transplanting, which I was debating two weeks ago (doh), I'm looking forward to the new possibilities. 13 gallons of dirt should be huge. I might have to modify the shelter I've built for our wet northwest fall.

you know, I hadn't planned on adding bud booster but was considering something to help drive bud formation. After nearly 3 months in the original 7 gallons of supersoil I'm not sure what the remaining nutrient profile might be. Is there any concern regarding nutrient burn if I add some bud booster to the super soil? Or should i just keep the feeding extra light? Finally, any suggested products? I'm in a very friendly area and have access to just about anything.

thanks for the help. this is my first outdoor experiment and have otherwise only two semi-successful closet operations under my belt, so I'm all ears. I've spent most of my life in an area saturated with high quality bud so I'd really like these ladies to produce some fine smoke. Otherwise they'll be destined for some ice hash bags.
 

Diabolical666

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When you transplant make sure you have an extra pair of hands to help you. Always wise when you have a girl that big.
 

Dudeness

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So, i transplanted into 15 gallon bags and added an extra 5 gallons of super soil each. i figured I had success with the SS thus far, why change it. Plus i like these ease of use... if the plant needs some juice it'll take what it requires. I ended up cutting the 7 gallon bags off and placing the rootball in the new bags with SS underneath and then filling in the sides. I used some roots organics to help with the transplant.

The only glitch i ran into is I didn't have enough SS to fully fill in the sides. So, the old rootball is standing about half way out of the new soil. I plan to fill in the sides with some plain jane organic soil but it might have to wait till tomorrow morning. Do you think this will be an issue?
 

Dudeness

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thanks to diabolical and rold2tight. I finished off the pots with some roots organics this morning and the ladies are already looking happier than yesterday. With hope, they'll bounce right back with barely a hiccup. Fingers crossed. And they were totally root bound. There was a mat of dead roots that were trying, unsuccessfully, to grow through the bottoms of the bags.
 

shizz

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i wouldnt of trans planted. there to far. in to flower. i would of shaded the root balls and placed a gallon jug of water with a small hole in it to drip on the roots all day. your still going to be ok with your yeild either way.
 

Dudeness

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thanks for your response. yeah, I was really torn about transplanting. obviously shocking the plants during flower would be a problem. They do look much happier today, with the leaves perked up from head to toe, so i guess i'm happy with my decision. And with summer nearing an end, I'm excited not to be tied to my plants every day, worrying about watering.

I should have transplanted 3 weeks ago. Now i'll know for next time. And I'll be happy with the yield regardless. I have little expectations as I have virtually no experience... just a keen interest. Honestly, I meant to throw these ladies out there and do nothing beyond occasional watering. I figured, "it's legal here, why the hell not?" But the perfectionist came out of me and I just couldn't help but obsess about them... plus I love weed.
 

Dudeness

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Do you guys think these plants will need some support? i thought it'd be a good time to do something like that since they're freshly repotted. I think i might sink 4 or 5 - 4ft poles in the new dirt and connect them with some twine.

What do you guys think? They've never been topped so they're in their natural christmas tree arrangement, if that makes a difference. Should i build some support? or do you think that'll be overkill and just unnecessarily shade my plants?
 

Dudeness

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here's a couple pics showing how much happier the ladies are in their new pots. less than 48 hrs after their transplant, i think it's safe to say the shock was minimal.

the stem shot is in regards to my last question about support. thought it might help.

One last thing, and I know it's nearly impossible to answer this question, what with all the variables, but, i can't help myself: you guys have any idea what these two ladies might yield?
 

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Dudeness

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should i be posting these questions in the new member area? I think i might throw the stakes (green tomato variety from big box hardware store) in the new soil just in case. Then, if the branches need support later on, I can string some twine or the like between the stakes. Hopefully they'll be in need of support... that sounds rad.
 

Dudeness

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total clown. thanks for taking note. Was a little concerned that might be acceptable behavior on this site. Not that it was too concerning. You'd have to be a real moron to travel any distance to get at my two backyard plants.
 
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