Outdoor Nute question

Hey all,

I hope everyone is having a wonderful summer. We have 3 super silver haze growing outdoors. They are in 30 gal pots and are in a mixed medium of 30% recycled coco coir 70% pre-fert potting soil.

They have received no veg nutrients other than from the soil since June. All of them are a little over 7 feet tall.

Just curious. Does fertilizer have any effect on inducing flower stage for photoperiod plants?

We were considering giving them veg nutes this week. So far they haven't started flowering. Also it's hard to tell if they are going through that stretch phase. The whole grow they've been sort of lengthy sativas.

Not flowering yet...Yes that's freaking us out because new england weather can get cold well before the end of October...

Any help would be great to get. Looking to feed them later this evening.

Cheers!
MMs

I believe an abundance of n can cause you to flower a bit later.

Mass Medicinals said:

Hey all,

I hope everyone is having a wonderful summer. We have 3 super silver haze growing outdoors. They are in 30 gal pots and are in a mixed medium of 30% recycled coco coir 70% pre-fert potting soil.

They have received no veg nutrients other than from the soil since June. All of them are a little over 7 feet tall.

Just curious. Does fertilizer have any effect on inducing flower stage for photoperiod plants?

We were considering giving them veg nutes this week. So far they haven't started flowering. Also it's hard to tell if they are going through that stretch phase. The whole grow they've been sort of lengthy sativas.

Not flowering yet...Yes that's freaking us out because new england weather can get cold well before the end of October...

Any help would be great to get. Looking to feed them later this evening.

Cheers!
MMs

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sorry to say but any thing not budding yet in newengland should be chopped down now an burned! an never be grown again sorry for the truth!!

The weather shitty and cold after mid september?

What were the numbers of the soil nutrient? Organic or Chemical? Can we see some pics? Depending on what the original numbers are you will want add some K and P..

Normal (not auto) plants flower in response to light, not nutrient changes. Unless there is a lockout because of too much or too little of a micro or macro, then you would have some sick or retarded looking plants i.e. off colors, leaf fade/burn, or leaf retardation.

If you plants are 7ft, i doubt they have a major deficiency but, we still gotta see what you started with..

Nutes can slow flower down. I have a couple same strain same age girls. Mid july right before starting bloom nutes one needed flushed one didnt. The one that didnt looks a couple weeks behind.

Could be excess nitrogen related, but if it's a haze dominant plant, it might be channeling an equatorial ancestor and will get giant in veg and about half way thru flower before frost or snow kills it.

Reminds me of a giant supposed "Nepali Sativa" plant grown in the bush one year, fucker got about a million feet tall and a million feet wide, then refused to flower until after everything else was dried and jarred. One reason to grow a few different strains outside is to see which ones handle mold better and cooperate on the flowering time.

Since you're in movable pots, maybe build or buy a mini greenhouse before the real cold sets in. Or if that's not a possibility devise a way to move them to shelter at night, since daytime lows in October aren't likely to kill them, but the night time lows will. If you get into November, maybe try rosary beads or human sacrifices. Good luck.

thumper60 said:

sorry to say but any thing not budding yet in newengland should be chopped down now an burned! an never be grown again sorry for the truth!!

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Damn thumper60... At the very least, we're certainly going to be taking these ladies as far as they can go. And then learn a hybrid strain may be better for outdoor New England.

Here are the soil specs:
Majority was Whitney farms organic (NPK 0.11-0.07-0.11)
a fraction of the soil was Miracle-gro organic (NPK 0.18-0.10-0.12)

Fertilizers we have on hand:
MaxGrow 10-5-14
MaxBloom 5-15-14

Also have CalMag, ArmorSi

The leafs look good, though some on the inside are starting to yellow and drop off. Also it's funny you mentioned leaf retardation. We have one plant that has a single leaf that is twisted. It look like the ring finger of that leaf is curling upward in a spiral.

Rob Roy - I don't know how we would move these things. lol. Oh well.

Starting my vacation off with some pretty depressing news...

Mass Medicinals said:

Damn thumper60... At the very least, we're certainly going to be taking these ladies as far as they can go. And then learn a hybrid strain may be better for outdoor New England.

Here are the soil specs:
Majority was Whitney farms organic (NPK 0.11-0.07-0.11)
a fraction of the soil was Miracle-gro organic (NPK 0.18-0.10-0.12)

Fertilizers we have on hand:
MaxGrow 10-5-14
MaxBloom 5-15-14

Also have CalMag, ArmorSi

The leafs look good, though some on the inside are starting to yellow and drop off. Also it's funny you mentioned leaf retardation. We have one plant that has a single leaf that is twisted. It look like the ring finger of that leaf is curling upward in a spiral.

Rob Roy - I don't know how we would move these things. lol. Oh well.

Starting my vacation off with some pretty depressing news...

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A 30 gallon container can be moved on a relatively flat surface by placing it on a tarp and pulling the tarp. If that's difficult I'd consider a way to shelter it in place.

If it's a haze dominant and hasn't started flowering yet, you're probably looking at some kind of routine which involves being able to shelter it at night as it goes into the last stages of flowering, which will probably be late October early November. If you do cover it, be careful of covering it too tightly as you might create a condensation dome and invite unwanted moisture into your buds. A makeshift greenhouse could be constructed out of clear poly and that might be enough to get them to finish. Just remember when it DOES start flowering, it will grow even taller. If your branches are still supple enough to be tied down without breaking, you might want to do that too, since she's gonna stretch.

Going out of the box for a bit, I wonder if you know anybody who has greenhouse space and will help you for a cut of the end product?

I feel your pain and hope for the best for you.

Rob Roy,

Thanks for the advice. Since I am on vacation.. I might as well spend all my time working out this problem. I think between finding a green house or working a deal with a contractor. These are all ideas that now need to be pondered seriously.

The green house is so that we can force the photoperiod to 12/12?

Also would bloom nutrients at this point be good, bad, neither?

Mass Medicinals said:

Rob Roy,

Thanks for the advice. Since I am on vacation.. I might as well spend all my time working out this problem. I think between finding a green house or working a deal with a contractor. These are all ideals that now need to be pondered seriously.

The green house is so that we can force the photoperiod to 12/12?

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You're welcome.

One possibility...
You could induce flowering by going with some kind of light deprivation schedule. To get them to start flowering it doesn't necessarily need to be a 12/12 schedule either. Gradually reduce the daylight hours using light dep until she starts to flower and when the natural sunlight hours match the schedule you "discovered" to initiate flowering, you can stop doing the manual light deprivation cover / uncover thing , since the daylight hours will continue to reduce anyway as you go deeper into the season and there will no longer be a need to "trick" your plants to make them continue flowering.

Might want to research your latitude first though so you'll know how many daylight hours occur when etc.

Greenhouse could serve two purposes, as a possible light dep location and to keep them from shivering their asses off, in late October and beyond. Hope things turn out well for you.

Mass Medicinals said:

Also would bloom nutrients at this point be good, bad, neither?

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I'm no scientist but I've heard that a root bound plant and laying off the nitrogen might help them get into a more flowery mood.

I'd put more faith in adjusting the time frame they're exposed to daylight though.

I just don't know if we have the space for an actual greenhouse that would allow us to get in there and work with the plants. Watering sure. Trimming, removing dead leaves, fixing issues. These are things that need space beyond wiggle room for a hose. Also that stretch component could be unpredictable.

Ok so we'll feed bloom Nutes, but daily light manipulation is going to be damn near impossible.

Mass Medicinals said:

I just don't know if we have the space for an actual greenhouse that would allow us to get in there and work with the plants. Watering sure. Trimming, removing dead leaves, fixing issues. These are things that need space beyond wiggle room for a hose. Also that stretch component could be unpredictable.

Ok so we'll feed bloom Nutes, but daily light manipulation is going to be damn near impossible.

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Take a couple of clones from them and place them in water filled vase and then into a closet. By manipulating the light hours in the closet you might be able to tell about how many hours of dark that pheno likes to initiate to flower.

While that won't make them flower outdoors any faster, if the clones don't go into flower readily with a reduced closet light schedule you can begin verbally abusing your outdoor plants with more sincerity now and that may embarrass them into flowering. "All the other guys plants are flowering, what's wrong with you damn plants!!! " A stern look, wild gesticulating and finger pointing may help too. Lol. Good luck the rest of the way.

[QUOTE="Rob Roy, post: begin verbally abusing your outdoor plants with more sincerity now and that may embarrass them into flowering. "All the other guys plants are flowering, what's wrong with you damn plants!!! " A stern look, wild gesticulating and finger pointing may help too. Lol. Good luck the rest of the way.[/QUOTE]

Best advice all day!

With any Haze strain, you are going to have to throw shade to finish before the weather goes to hell on you.

Quick update...

So we are seeing a rapid transition into flowering now!!!

But we are also seeing some people coloring at some of the cola tops.

Will post later.

But it doesn't look like rotting branches. Any thoughts on the cause?

Genetics or temperature, maybe

Cheers!
~ MM's

Mass Medicinals said:

But it doesn't look like rotting branches. Any thoughts on the cause?

Genetics or temperature, maybe
~ MM's

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Yes, also, soil ph can do this. I wouldn't worry unless they slow down or it is powdery or moldy smelling.

We have not been putting a lot of effort into nutrients, pH testing, or training this season. We have been pruning and removing dead leaves lately.

Thanks for the info @Dmannn!!!