Outdoor Supersoil container problems!!!! PH/watering problems?? or Lack of nutrients?

thebugslaaaa

thebugslaaaa

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Hey guys, I hate to say I have not been keeping a journal of my outdoor grow this year, as I have been working 50 hours a week while spending all of my free hours tending to the garden. This is my second supersoil grow and everything has been doing great until recently. I will attach a few pictures below, but I am having some yellowing and stunted growth on a few of my oldest plants in the bigger 20 gal containers.
They are in about half subcool's supersoil (almost identical to subs recipe) and half plain roots organic. The main problems I am seeing are stunted growth, yellowing at the upper leaves and the very top leaves are droopy. I should mention that these plants have been vegging in these containers for almost 6 months (got them as a gift in winter with nowhere else to put them!) I have been working on giving them small amounts of water daily rather than soakings once or twice a week. A few times they were wilting like they were dry even though the containers were heavy. I gave them a small drink of water and they perked right back up, so that had me thinking the roots were starved of oxygen being too wet.
I should also mention I am checking PH with the simple drops. I Ph to "yellow" (6.0) ph every time and have not had too much of a problem until now. I realize that my PH of water may vary a bit each watering, as it is near impossible to get the same shade of yellow each time.
So my bottom line question is do you think I am having PH/over watering problems?? Or do you think that in the long period these plants have been in these containers they have finally used up all the nutes in the supersoil and would benefit from some light feeding?? I am torn on what to do any input is greatly appreciated!!! thanks!!!
 

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I did have an aphid infestation in another part of my yard, but have not seen any sign of them above the ground anyways, how would I check for those buggers?? Do I have to pull them out of their containers I assume?? Would flushing with a cap full or two of H202 per gallon help kill them??
 
Rrog

Rrog

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I can't offer an opinion as to whether you have aphids., however Root Aphid treatment from my notes collected from the forum:

Azamax. OMRI certified.

For the nuclear weaponry : Imidacloprid is heavy duty killer. The nuclear bomb we don’t want to deploy except as last resort. Consider Vectobac
 
thebugslaaaa

thebugslaaaa

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Yes I know it well, I am currently using it every 3-5 days trying to fight a breakout of mites before my girls really start to flower. I forgot you could water azamax into the soil as well. I have never had any fungus gnats or root bugs that I have known about. How do I rule out everything else to be sure I actually have root bugs? My symptoms seem like they could be a plethora of other things (Ph/nutrient lockout/ wet soil etc.) before root bugs am I wrong?? I could pull my girls outta their pots without tooo much work, I would be able to see bugs if I had them no?? I want to be absolutely sure of my problem before I even try and start giving them anything they don't need. (learned this the hard way before...)

I also have a little jar flouromite (spelling?) which looks and smells like a nuclear bomb but I do not want it to come to that as I already have pre-flowers forming. Thanks for the info!!
 
TCurtiss

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thebugslaaaa said:
Hey guys, I hate to say I have not been keeping a journal of my outdoor grow this year, as I have been working 50 hours a week while spending all of my free hours tending to the garden. This is my second supersoil grow and everything has been doing great until recently. I will attach a few pictures below, but I am having some yellowing and stunted growth on a few of my oldest plants in the bigger 20 gal containers.
They are in about half subcool's supersoil (almost identical to subs recipe) and half plain roots organic. The main problems I am seeing are stunted growth, yellowing at the upper leaves and the very top leaves are droopy. I should mention that these plants have been vegging in these containers for almost 6 months (got them as a gift in winter with nowhere else to put them!) I have been working on giving them small amounts of water daily rather than soakings once or twice a week. A few times they were wilting like they were dry even though the containers were heavy. I gave them a small drink of water and they perked right back up, so that had me thinking the roots were starved of oxygen being too wet.
I should also mention I am checking PH with the simple drops. I Ph to "yellow" (6.0) ph every time and have not had too much of a problem until now. I realize that my PH of water may vary a bit each watering, as it is near impossible to get the same shade of yellow each time.
So my bottom line question is do you think I am having PH/over watering problems?? Or do you think that in the long period these plants have been in these containers they have finally used up all the nutes in the supersoil and would benefit from some light feeding?? I am torn on what to do any input is greatly appreciated!!! thanks!!!
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From what you wrote it sounds like your plants have outgrown their containers & need to be re-potted

6 months in 20 gallons will eat up any nutes in there with your plants

Good luck

T
 
thebugslaaaa

thebugslaaaa

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Ok, that is what I was thinking. One is in a large square plastic tub (like one you would store stuff in the garage) and one is a 15-20 gal black bucket. The plants are only 3-4 feet tall and I have grown much larger plants in smaller containers before, but I guess the only real way to tell is to get them outta those pots and see for myself right? Also, I was wondering once I do transplant them into a bigger container of normal roots organic soil (as I am out of SS) should I continue to feed them liquid nutes through flower as if they were never in Super Soil or should I tone back feeding in case there ARE still some nutes left in that SS?? thanks in advance for any advice!!!
 
myfather

myfather

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you could also top dress with super soil if you have any left. If youre hitting them with liquid nutes, this shouldnt be too much of a problem

as for the aphids, since its an outdoor crop and not perpetual, you could use azamax for control, not cure. Aphids in colorado are immune to that stuff from what I hear, so you gotta break out the systemics... Bayer Tree and Shrub.
 
wheezer

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using anything that's systemic is a big no no I heard. You don't want to use pesticides that are systemic cause the poison is then inside the plant and therefore you consume it when you smoke.Or, at least that's my understanding, correct me if I'm wrong I'm not 100% surte on that.
 
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As I always add get yourself some beneficial microbes to add to the mix. Be sure to add so kind of nutrients if you think the organic materials are running low in the soil to give the microbes something to eat and survive there lifecycles. They will do the converting of nutrients for the plant, actually ten times faster than the plant can feeding the nutrients back to plant as the plant needs them. You will see your leaves standing at attention and your water will be fed to plant also as needed. As far as being an insectcide it works in the way gause,s law works. The over populating of a specices will take over and the under populated speciecs, and the result they will move out of the area or be eaten. I use QUANTUM GROWTH on all my girls with great sucess, I've cut my nutrients in half since using it and haven't had an insect or powder mildew promblem in four years. I do recieve my product from a distributor on a little trade, but if I had to I'd buy the product I would be first in line. The guys I get my product from have been selling to the agri. market and have had farmers cutting their fertilizer usage in half. that's saviings for a farmer. O,yea I increased my yield by a least two ozs. and my time to maturity by about three weeks and that lets me get a coulpe more grows in a year. Indoorman
 
thebugslaaaa

thebugslaaaa

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thanks for the sales pitch indoorman haha I will check it out, for now I have dressed the 2 deficient girls with 2 shovel fulls of Supersoil each and may brew a batch of guano/worm casting tea soon to bump the microbe life up a bit...I'm sure it will take a week to see some difference but let's hope for the best!!

On another note, it is more than half way through aug. and I am still vegging outdoor in cali. I have 2-3 plants that have been outside since like feb. and they have started flowering but everything else I planted in may/june/july are all still vegging am I on track with you other cali patients or should I be worried about lights around the house?
 
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Ok guys, here is another update, been a few weeks and they are doing better for the most part.. I have been mixing up 10 gallon batches of AACT twice a week. Im using few handfulls of worm castings 2-3 tbs per gallon of 0.5-15-0.5 peruvian bat guano, 1 tbs roots trininty per gallon as a catalyst and a bit of maxi-crop and Liquid Karma for Potassium. Oh ya and few tsps of unsulphated molasses for food haha They seem to be doing decent but I think the lack of summer weather here in central cali is having an affect on my babies. We have only seen a handful of sunny days here!! I have been getting droopy top AND bottom leaves and some clawing of upper leaves on some of my sativas. Also some of the upper leaves on my sour D and GDP are still yellowing but not at an alarming rate, yet anyways. I did a soil drench of azamax in case I had any root bugs, I am using Botanicare 2-3-5 bloom and will soon be switching to their 1-4-5 second stage of bloom food. I am still giving them some Grow nutes as well since some of them are still hardly showing pistils!!! I am afraid I am going to be looking at a Nov. harvest for some of these girls, I'm hoping for the best but I live too close to the beach!!! (1.5 mi) The fog rolls through every night and it is 100% humidity!! I have no room for a greenhouse I don't know what to do!! I have been watering roughly twice a week trying to alternate plain Ph'd water and Tea/base nutes every other time....Let me know what you guys think...any input is greatly appreciated...
 

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I like your approach with the water, nute, aact rotation. and the azamax drench will rule out anything bad down below. 2 things i would change, switch to an all organic fertilizer like earth juice. taking the time to brew aact and then harming the micro life with synthetic nutes = running in circles. also your aact recipe could use tweaking. unless you have a scope you might want to try a proven recipe. but even if you continue on with what your doing i think things will turn out well!
 
kushking42

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i forgot to mention that the cause of those droopy leaves is typically over watering or cold weather.
 
thebugslaaaa

thebugslaaaa

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kushking42 said:
I like your approach with the water, nute, aact rotation. and the azamax drench will rule out anything bad down below. 2 things i would change, switch to an all organic fertilizer like earth juice. taking the time to brew aact and then harming the micro life with synthetic nutes = running in circles. also your aact recipe could use tweaking. unless you have a scope you might want to try a proven recipe. but even if you continue on with what your doing i think things will turn out well!
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I am using botanicare's pure blend pro line which from everything I have been told and read is 100% organic, or as close to that as possible. and as far as the AACT reciepe, what recipe do you use and suggest over mine?? As far as the droopy bottom leaves, it is def not over watering if anything I underwater, I have had too many problems from over watering in the past I wait a week between watering if I have to. I just wait till the buckets get nice and light. It is however consistently in the low to mid 50s every night where I live, and not too mention 100% humidity almost every night! I hope I even make it to a hatvest this year!! I have the powder mold under control this year using eagle 20ew, (not organic I know, but I just dip the clones once while babies and never see powder their whole lives!!) But my real problem right now is gray mold!! (or bud/stem rot??, My calaxes and stems start to form a brown/gray furry mold on them and the whole branch eventually dies and nugs all get brown and full of mold spores!!! I know it is because of the fog rolling through every night and I do not think there is anything I can do besides build a green house which I have no space/time/money for at all right now!! any help on this would be greatly appreciated thanks!! Ill try to post pics of that damn mold destroying all of my Jillybeans and Sour D...
 
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