Papaya SOG armoire/closet grow

she looks weird. like she is stressed.
the leaves have no stems :S

its probably because she have just been watered, but it shows signs of over-watering.

does you medium comes pre-fertilized? if so I would have cut off the ferts for a while.

How close are the lights? whats the humidity?

lights are very close, def not overwatering if anything ive felt like ive underwatered, water ph is at 6.8 with very light amount of fox farm grow big, temp is at about 70 and im not sure about humidity

looks good bro. she looks a lot happier now

get the lights a BIT higher.
you check temps on the tops of the plants - right?
get some humidity dome. it will ensure good humidity for this stage. however get it off at least for 30 minutes a day, prefferably 30 minutes 2-3 times a day.
if you CAN check the humidity - get it around 70% by lowering air circulation or adding some water cups to your growspace that will evaporate.

how often do you water?

i water once a day heavy/light depending on the soil

Why? you grow in dirt, right?
I got plants much mcuh larger than yours in a 7\9l pots and small clones a bit larger than yours in 0.3l pots and they all need watering only once every 3-4 days. running a LOT of air around the room and a pretty huge outtake fan, running aroun 30c.
if you NEED to water every day you might want to consider moving into a much larger pot.

you can determain your need for watering by dipping your finger deep in the dirt.
if its somehow moist - the plant will do.
unless the top inch of soil get crusty - don't water.

if you will underwater and monitor your plants doing so you will notice serious fast drooping of the leaves. if such a thing happen you need to water the plants. they will completely recover in a few hours.
try to get to this stage before your next watering.

moreover- don't use any nutes doing so. the plants metabolism is too slow to finish up the ferts already given. when the tops get a bit pale start feeding again.


good luck

i do only water when the top gets crusty,i know when to water....my watering is def not my plants problem if theres any problem at all, my leaves dont even look overwatered they just look very relaxed, i can tell the difference and the stems are very visable i just have a poor camera and becuase its so bushy its hard to see

if you need to water each day it means either your medium can't hold enough water, like avarage earth, or that your plant is root bound hard enough.
your not using coco or something, right?

watering everyday isnt a bad thing just as long as you water it when it needs to be, my soil is average earth, just topsoil with compost and rocks, as natural as it gets...my feeding schedule is fine, after one full 24 hours the soil becomes crispy so ill water it again, she will be re-potted in a week or 2 cuz she is def not rootbound yet, I am fully aware of how to properly water a plant, the leaves all look very healthy and a good color green, i believe that because this is naturally a bushy plant and because ive had it right up to 8 6500k bulbs the plant doesnt feel the needs to fully extend its leaves( making it look overwatered). All the leaves are bowed but they do not look like an unhealthy bow just very relaxed. I personally do no believe theres anything wrong with her as of right now ( from my own experience) so im going to continue what ive been doing

So when you water you saturate the soil until there is runoff?
And then wait until the soil is completely dry again before watering again?
That is the correct way to water

thats exactly what i do....I water until there is water dripping then within 24 hours the soil is dry and rdy for another watering, just because I have to water my plant everyday doesnt mean my plant would grow any differently then a plant that gets watered every 3 days, just as long as i keep up with watering every day like need be. If im wrong please tell me so i can correct myself

As long as your soil is drying out COMPLETELY in one day than it is good to water everyday
Are you going to be transplanting again?
When a plant is drying out in one day that usually means it is due up for a transplant

Ya i was thinking maybe another 7-10 days then move to a bigger pot, im hoping to be able to get 2-4 good clones from her in about 10 days...from your experience do you see anything wrong with how my plant looks, when i look at it all i see is a very relaxed very healthy plant...there looks to be absolutely no stress on her at all

Moved my plant a little further from the lights and the leaves perked right up...i feel like my plant was getting so much light the leaves resembled "overwatering"

Jcway5 said:

just because I have to water my plant everyday doesnt mean my plant would grow any differently then a plant that gets watered every 3 days, just as long as i keep up with watering every day like need be. If im wrong please tell me so i can correct myself

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Heres the deal bro, you are worng with this, sorry.

a plant that gets watered every day causes a few problems

rootbound. water goes to bottom, rootes follow. root bound bottoms ensue and plant needs to be transplanted before its full potential could of be achieved.

root rot due to rootboung and excess water buildup

another problem is the roots follow the water. water is heavy and goes right to the bottom. your roots will follow. you want the roots to go searching for water. this makes them grow all over the medium. by doing this the plant can last alot longer in a smaller pot. it will also grow with more vigor and alot faster

another very important problem is over watering causes your soil to get compacted. this shrinks or completly removes any air pockets within the soil. which does not allow for proper airflow deep within medium. proper airflow to your roots is just as important as proper light color temps.

Jcway5 said:

Moved my plant a little further from the lights and the leaves perked right up...i feel like my plant was getting so much light the leaves resembled "overwatering"

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How much light is she getting?
What kind of lights are you using?
Your soil mix doesn't look like it has a lot of drainage so I really doubt it is completely drying in one day
And the curled leaves could be due to pH, what is the pH of your water and runoff?

she gets 8 6500k cfls, water ph's at 6.8, i believe the runoff is about 6.7

have you calibrated your meter recently?
The leaf curl seems like it is because of pH but the numbers you say aren't bad so idk
8 CFL's is kinda pointless to use on her at this point
There is no way here leaves are going to soak up all that light, I would cut it back to like 4 or 5 until she gets bigger
What are the temps? Moving the lights away will encourage her to stretch. Just use 4 or 5 bulbs at the normal distance, within 1-2"

ya see thats whats ive been thinking is the problem, i literally think shes been getting too much light..the leaves just dont have to work at all i feel...but yea i calibrate my meter everytime i use it with 7.0 solution.

how much W are thoes CFLs?
at this stage I use 1x 45W CFL and its just fine.