PC Case grow - Stealth + Perpetual + LST

maturesmoker

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Thanks for posting that info V12, I've saved it for reference :-) I think you clearly have more electrical skill than I do! Mines pretty basic although I take great care in it. I dont think I'd know how to wire one of those fan speed controllers for example :-(

That box is bigger than the one I have been playing a round with, plus I dont know how to get all of the wiring on the inside as you do, it would look right with just a single power lead coming out the back, I need to do more reading. I was thinking along the lines of an extension socket on the inside but its tight. Anyway, its something I still plan to do because I fancy the challenge of being able to achieve it.

I've lost my Kush now but know exactly what you mean about the smell of the stuff, its sublime.

Keep em coming mate, I enjoy every post on this thread :-)
 
v12xjs

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Morning ms.
I'll be doing a bit more on the case asap. I'll make sure I cover the fan controllers in a bit of depth as it seems the fan wiring is a sticking point for lots of peeps.

After you cheering me up with your horny pics of Delia and Super T, allow me to return the compliment :)
For info, the decorators have been in so I have some new 'for sale sign' walls and a new plexiglass. The fan filters have been removed in these pics but they just needed a clean and they are back in place now.



 
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hey i was on the website scan dot co dot uk looking at the pc case, just from looking at the inside on your pictures, was wondering where do all the fans you have come from?
 
alexonfire

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I like the idea of the heat shield but Adding another layer of glass between the CFL and plants steals at least 15% of the light, and with CFLs every photon counts.
 
v12xjs

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Cheers tags.
The light is a 100w CMH bulb. I'm putting one in the new build as well, but it's an expensive option. CMH is very new tec mixing MH with HPS in the same bulb and it seems to work really well. The pics I linked used a 125w red enviro with a 12w 6500k and that was a sweet combo too.
I got some fans at the same time I got the case. If you look at the tec specs tab for the case it says it can accomodate 2x120mm and 1x80mm fan, so I got those to keep things original looking and then some extra fans for the fake walls. The 80mm fan is for the side door and I will be blocking that hole up, but it can be used elsewhere.
Those splitters and cables are just snap-on links to hook everything together. They are nowhere near long enough but you can extend them with the wiring harness that comes with the case.

Hey alex
As above, it's a HID in there these days.
The shield was a total lifesaver last summer with my cfl's and this bulb is even hotter so it has to stay. It's 2mm polycarbonate though and from what I've read it's a good option. 2mm polycarb transmits 94-96% light and 3mm glass transmits 97-98% which isn't such a bad trade off. Those figures do drop quickly if you use a thicker sheet though.
 
v12xjs

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I've been a bit busy so there's no update on the case build but I should be able to do a bit either today or Wednesday.

Got some gratuitous plant pics though. The NL on the left is at 71 days from seed and has about 2 more weeks to go. The oldest Violator Kush is in the centre and she's looking very healthy, she's about 18 days into flower. Sitting on her lap is a 5 day old VK seedling and Trinity the mutant is sitting on the left. She put out her first flower yesterday so she'll be ready in around 10 weeks.

 
maturesmoker

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v12xjs said:
I've been a bit busy so there's no update on the case build but I should be able to do a bit either today or Wednesday.

Got some gratuitous plant pics though. The NL on the left is at 71 days from seed and has about 2 more weeks to go. The oldest Violator Kush is in the centre and she's looking very healthy, she's about 18 days into flower. Sitting on her lap is a 5 day old VK seedling and Trinity the mutant is sitting on the left. She put out her first flower yesterday so she'll be ready in around 10 weeks.
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Just amazing V12 :-) .... and glad Trinity is going well.

Quick Q ..... how often do you have to clean that glass? Mine just seems to pick up so much crap so fast but its hard to get back after a clean! is yours just a slide in job?

Anyway, all looking very tasty in the case as usual.
 
v12xjs

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Hey ms
I'm in the same boat as you, the heatshield gets pretty grubby after a week or so. To be fair those pc fans are notorious for blowing twice as much dust as they do air.
Removal is a PITA, so I just give it a good wipe with a little vinegar in warm water.
I wipe down the whole case with Milton fluid about once a month so I've been taking it out and washing it down properly when I do that.
Your local pc shop should sell a dust filter that will just clip over your intake if it really bothers you. Good hifi shops sell antistatic guns for vinyl that may help too. If I find mine I'll try it out and let you know how it works.

A pleasure to see you in here again DW. Hope that famous BC Bud is keeping you ticking over until your next grow.
I guess you will be gearing up for the outdoor season soon. Keep us posted on progress.

I meant to post up a few more pics yesterday, so here they are today instead. All are of The oldest VK. She's called Dusty and I'm in love :)





 
maturesmoker

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v12xjs said:
Hey ms
I'm in the same boat as you, the heatshield gets pretty grubby after a week or so. To be fair those pc fans are notorious for blowing twice as much dust as they do air.
Removal is a PITA, so I just give it a good wipe with a little vinegar in warm water.
I wipe down the whole case with Milton fluid about once a month so I've been taking it out and washing it down properly when I do that.
Your local pc shop should sell a dust filter that will just clip over your intake if it really bothers you. Good hifi shops sell antistatic guns for vinyl that may help too. If I find mine I'll try it out and let you know how it works.

I meant to post up a few more pics yesterday, so here they are today instead. All are of The oldest VK. She's called Dusty and I'm in love :)
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Hi V12,

Great name 'Dusty' :-) Great plant.

V12, you know, this thread is seriously inspiring, can i just recap on a couple of things and ask a couple more questions? Why?.... well my old box is maybe not delivering peak efficiency atm and i am fighting a losing battle against spider mites in there now, i think it might be time for an upgrade and a strip down. I have another small wooden cab that I want to convert to a perpetual grow based upon yours.This is still a 12/12 from seed grow yes? thats what I plan to do. I need improved filtering on the intake (what do you use?), make it simpler to clean down periodically, and increase the number of small plants I can grow for a rolling harvest, as you do. I plan to retire the 'ganja box',and replace it with the new smaller but more solid box for the future.

Meantime I'll read back through your thread again :-) I'm having to rest as I've done my leg in so I'll put the time to good use.

cheers mate.
 
Phase420

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v12xjs said:
Morning ms.
I'll be doing a bit more on the case asap. I'll make sure I cover the fan controllers in a bit of depth as it seems the fan wiring is a sticking point for lots of peeps.

After you cheering me up with your horny pics of Delia and Super T, allow me to return the compliment :)
For info, the decorators have been in so I have some new 'for sale sign' walls and a new plexiglass. The fan filters have been removed in these pics but they just needed a clean and they are back in place now.



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This shit is awesome looking! its so crazy how many plant are in there!:eyesmoke:
 
v12xjs

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Hey ms. Really sorry to hear about the leg, hope it's on the mend now. Bad news about those mites too. Maybe a new growbox is the best solution.
I'm just off to a couple of lectures but I'll answer your q's tonight if that's ok.

Welcome Phase.
Glad you like it mate. There's only 4 plants, 2 of them are in bloom and have been LST'd a little to max them, the other 2 are just getting ready to replace the big girls when they get chopped. It's pretty simple really, pop a seed in every 3 or 4 weeks and take a harvest at the same time.
If you think it's mad in there now, you should have seen it at the end of last summer!
 
maturesmoker

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v12xjs said:
Hey ms. Really sorry to hear about the leg, hope it's on the mend now. Bad news about those mites too. Maybe a new growbox is the best solution.
I'm just off to a couple of lectures but I'll answer your q's tonight if that's ok.
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Thanks mate, I'll check back tonight. I'm in bed typing this as i cant bend or weight bear on the leg atm!..... :sad: On the plus side I'm doing loads of MJ related reading :-P I'm taking notes from your thread too. one or two more Q's for you......

Are those plants staying so compact due to training, root restriction or genetics would you say?

Whats you current soil mix in those containers?

Is there a significant increase in yield with the new lamp fitted?

No rush mate, just when you can, meantime I'll keep digging back through the thread :-)

cheers

ms.


btw, you had already answered my question about fan filters, sorry. I just have a pair of tights stretched over my intake!......need to improve that obviously.
 
Phase420

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v12xjs said:
Hey ms. Really sorry to hear about the leg, hope it's on the mend now. Bad news about those mites too. Maybe a new growbox is the best solution.
I'm just off to a couple of lectures but I'll answer your q's tonight if that's ok.

Welcome Phase.
Glad you like it mate. There's only 4 plants, 2 of them are in bloom and have been LST'd a little to max them, the other 2 are just getting ready to replace the big girls when they get chopped. It's pretty simple really, pop a seed in every 3 or 4 weeks and take a harvest at the same time.
If you think it's mad in there now, you should have seen it at the end of last summer!
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Im in my first PCgrow right now... with BLUE MYSTIC from nirvana. Im just going to use the LST rack or SOG method in my pc. im only going with one right now. Wasnt sure How much it would fit inside of. Are you in any veg cycle during this or just flowering? thanks
 
v12xjs

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Ouch! Sounds like you did a proper job there ms.
Here's a recap of what's happened since the new year:

It's still a permanent 12/12 operation providing perpetual harvests every 3 weeks or so, with a new seedling replacing every plant I chop.
The medium is pure canna coco. The seedlings start in a root riot cube with some coco around it and they get repotted into 1 litre containers then 2 litre containers as they get bigger.
I use LST to max the crop but the new bulb definitely increases the size of the colas so I only aim for 4 tops now rather than the 8 or more I got under cfl's.
The old cfl setup used pretty tall strains and they were also pretty new crosses. New strains invariably grow more vigourously than established strains because of a trait called hybrid vigour. I found I needed to restrict growth with every trick I could find when dealing with such plants. I'm now using more established strains with a naturally short stature (under a metre) and they seem to be ideal candidates for the case.
I don't currently use filters on my intake or on the exhaust for the cooltube. The front fans are behind the door of the case and draw air from side vents which makes them pretty lightproof. I use a periscope arrangement on the exhaust for the light to provide lightproofing without restricting airflow much.
The 2 exhausts of the grow chamber are my most powerful fans and they have odour control fitted which makes them 85% lightproof, but that has a big impact on airflow. I have a black plastic thing over them that blocks the rest of the light.
I've also started blacking out the pots finally. As soon as I made the switch to coco I saw green algae forming in the clear pots.

Just a thought ms, but you may be able to use pollen filters out of a car for your intake. That bathroom fan should still be able to pull enough air through.
I'll check out your grow Phase.

Wow. I think I need some bud porn after all that :)
Happy St Patricks Day.



 
Phase420

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v12xjs said:
Ouch! Sounds like you did a proper job there ms.
Here's a recap of what's happened since the new year:

It's still a permanent 12/12 operation providing perpetual harvests every 3 weeks or so, with a new seedling replacing every plant I chop.
The medium is pure canna coco. The seedlings start in a root riot cube with some coco around it and they get repotted into 1 litre containers then 2 litre containers as they get bigger.
I use LST to max the crop but the new bulb definitely increases the size of the colas so I only aim for 4 tops now rather than the 8 or more I got under cfl's.
The old cfl setup used pretty tall strains and they were also pretty new crosses. New strains invariably grow more vigourously than established strains because of a trait called hybrid vigour. I found I needed to restrict growth with every trick I could find when dealing with such plants. I'm now using more established strains with a naturally short stature (under a metre) and they seem to be ideal candidates for the case.
I don't currently use filters on my intake or on the exhaust for the cooltube. The front fans are behind the door of the case and draw air from side vents which makes them pretty lightproof. I use a periscope arrangement on the exhaust for the light to provide lightproofing without restricting airflow much.
The 2 exhausts of the grow chamber are my most powerful fans and they have odour control fitted which makes them 85% lightproof, but that has a big impact on airflow. I have a black plastic thing over them that blocks the rest of the light.
I've also started blacking out the pots finally. As soon as I made the switch to coco I saw green algae forming in the clear pots.

Just a thought ms, but you may be able to use pollen filters out of a car for your intake. That bathroom fan should still be able to pull enough air through.
I'll check out your grow Phase.

Wow. I think I need some bud porn after all that :)
Happy St Patricks Day.



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:clap: Yo thanks for doing the run down for me!! That helped alot.Sounds like you've got this stuff figured out.lol.yeah come check me out. any help is cool with me! keep it up!
 
maturesmoker

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V12,

BIG thank you mate for taking time to put that together for 'us' :-) Lots of useful info and I see how far things have progressed, I forgot you were in coco for example. I've noted down most of the info for reference. Coco is obviously going good for you? I think I remember you saying that for small plants (seedlings) there were some issues with it drying out? Certainly the results cant be argued with and the health and condition of your plants remains excellent. So are you using canna coco nutes too now?

I'm going to use some of your methods as I said and I'm considering that change over to coco myself now. I managed a one legged strip down and clean yesterday! :-) you can see the results in my update, had to chop a lot of lower leaf away. You obviously remain pest free in that case and I reckon its down to more efficient filtering and I also believe that coco grown plants do not suffer mite infestation as much as soil? This thread has also made me aware that I went ott on the 12litre pot!!I used to grow 12/12 from seed in 2 litres of soil mix, sort of flood watering them every other day, and yields were not that much lower than this huge bas***d will be :-) I need to take a step back I think.

So thanks again, and keep the updates coming PLEASE :-)

Btw, have you seen Space Ritual recently? I still enjoy them, there's some crazy vids on YouTube and MsAngel certainly knows how to move that body :-0 .....
 
v12xjs

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Glad to help mate.
Good to know coco may reduce bug problems. I was getting some issues with it holding too much water for the seedlings but I've got a handle on it now. Besides, I've got a bloody big bag of the stuff so I'm kind of obligated to persevere with it :)
I'm still on hydro nutes ATM, they seem ok so I'll stick with them.
I'd have thought the nylon filter would have protected against mites. I'd consider taking them out in the sun a bigger risk for infection. I'll check it out now. Good luck.
 
v12xjs

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Thanks for the tip about the Nik Turner vids on utube ms. I got to another gig at the end of last year and Ms Angel is even hotter in the flesh. I'm loving your new Mondays avatar too :)

I've managed to do a bit on the new case but haven't had the chance to take any pics so I'll update later with a progress report.
I checked up on the girls when I got home last night though, and got a buzz just looking in the case. Dusty has really developed nicely over the last couple of days, it's hard to believe she was a seed less than 9 weeks ago. Here's some pics:



 
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