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InTheValley

InTheValley

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all i can say is watch his videos.

He evidently grows monsters with his lights, Ive seen it. I think he is a business guy, making money off his idea, just like everyone else. thats how it works. But atleast he does show his shit, and he does hold the record for biggest auto grow. SO take it for what it is, he is proven and his lights seem to also.

If i could afford one, id get one, just to try it out. I personally like 3 and 5Watts diodes myself, with lenses, because they do penetrate deep, because they are focused to do just that.

I think the difference in Neils stuff, and the cheap ebay Lights, is He probably uses better drivers and better heat dissipation efforts. and twerked the spectrum to what this plant really responses to.

cant hate him for that. Go watch his utube videos, and make a judgement on what YOU see.

but ill tell ya, If i could get one, Id get one, lol.. The new cob is awesome,

*shrugggs, ( back to researching LED strip lights )
 
Pistil Kid

Pistil Kid

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You could always look into the lights from either Timber Grow lights or Rapid LED both are sponsors on this forum I think. They will help you out with recommendations and both have very good reputations so you can't go wrong.
 
Pistil Kid

Pistil Kid

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InTheValley said:
all i can say is watch his videos.

He evidently grows monsters with his lights, Ive seen it. I think he is a business guy, making money off his idea, just like everyone else. thats how it works. But atleast he does show his shit, and he does hold the record for biggest auto grow. SO take it for what it is, he is proven and his lights seem to also.

If i could afford one, id get one, just to try it out. I personally like 3 and 5Watts diodes myself, with lenses, because they do penetrate deep, because they are focused to do just that.

I think the difference in Neils stuff, and the cheap ebay Lights, is He probably uses better drivers and better heat dissipation efforts. and twerked the spectrum to what this plant really responses to.

cant hate him for that. Go watch his utube videos, and make a judgement on what YOU see.

but ill tell ya, If i could get one, Id get one, lol.. The new cob is awesome,

*shrugggs, ( back to researching LED strip lights )
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He does give his knowledge freely that is for sure and his grows are proof that he knows what he is doing. As for his lights I would like to see a proper PAR test not one laying down on its side. I asked him about his drivers he said he designed his own so I am not sure what to make of that why not just use meanwell they come with 7 year warranty and are fairly cheap. I have heard of a few issue with the perfect sun 1000 suffering large numbers of burnt out diodes, but to his credit he sends out replacements and honors his warranty. At the end of the day it is a business so he is in it to make money.
 
CobKits

CobKits

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InTheValley said:
If i could afford one, id get one, just to try it out. I personally like 3 and 5Watts diodes myself, with lenses, because they do penetrate deep, because they are focused to do just that.
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there is no level of penetration that those diodes achieve that better diodes/cobs cant do more efficiently.

"growing monsters" is no indication of a lights quality either

anybody could grow monsters with even crappy 2007 UFOs youd just be using a shitload of wattage
 
InTheValley

InTheValley

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humm, didnt know he made his own drivers, which is not really rocket science, so Id asume, the probably boosted them, which is again, keeps cost down.

I know this much, a 5W diode in bunches, takes alot of volts to run them powerfully. These blurples are averaging 2W per diode and saying they are 5W.

When you put lenses on a Diode, it magnifies greatly. I have a mars300, and put lesnes on it, they are no joke. And it was 1500 par at 18inches. All Neil did, was made the spread wider, by making a bigger light.

Doing tests on my light with the lenses, I can believe his numbers at the distance he shows. And really, measuring on its side is no big deal, it probably devalued the stats if anything. But again, these are focused lensed diodes. Put it into perspective, a 200pc, 5W diode setup, fully used to its potential, would make 120,000 lumens, and use 1000w, so thats pretty close to a HPS, BUT, with lenses, it pretty much triples the intensity. So, you have the lumens from the start, and now, with lenses, the PAR is soooooo strong deep and focused.

Its a great idea, but now, EVERYONEEEEE is doing it.

Soon, you will see ALLLLL the Companies rolling out with just 3000k or 6000k spectrums, to try and compete with QBs.

Heck, Im so close to making my own with these 3W diodes, for a 2x2, with lenses myself. I already have the diodes, just nothing else at this point, because I have to figure some things out, and already getting ready to start a LED strip setup.
 
InTheValley

InTheValley

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well with all due respect, HPS has a shit spectrum, and it does the job pretty well, no?

I havent used cobs yet, so i cant say much on those. But i do have lensed diodes,
 
InTheValley

InTheValley

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and, the whole penetration thing, again, is a moot point really in any application.

Pretty sure lenses diodes and more focused then a cob,

If we took 1 cob, and then made a circle of the same diameter of the cob, with the 5W diodes both with lenses, Id put money on the 5w having a better par for distance the the COB
 
Pistil Kid

Pistil Kid

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InTheValley said:
humm, didnt know he made his own drivers, which is not really rocket science, so Id asume, the probably boosted them, which is again, keeps cost down.

I know this much, a 5W diode in bunches, takes alot of volts to run them powerfully. These blurples are averaging 2W per diode and saying they are 5W.

When you put lenses on a Diode, it magnifies greatly. I have a mars300, and put lesnes on it, they are no joke. And it was 1500 par at 18inches. All Neil did, was made the spread wider, by making a bigger light.

Doing tests on my light with the lenses, I can believe his numbers at the distance he shows. And really, measuring on its side is no big deal, it probably devalued the stats if anything. But again, these are focused lensed diodes. Put it into perspective, a 200pc, 5W diode setup, fully used to its potential, would make 120,000 lumens, and use 1000w, so thats pretty close to a HPS, BUT, with lenses, it pretty much triples the intensity. So, you have the lumens from the start, and now, with lenses, the PAR is soooooo strong deep and focused.

Its a great idea, but now, EVERYONEEEEE is doing it.

Soon, you will see ALLLLL the Companies rolling out with just 3000k or 6000k spectrums, to try and compete with QBs.

Heck, Im so close to making my own with these 3W diodes, for a 2x2, with lenses myself. I already have the diodes, just nothing else at this point, because I have to figure some things out, and already getting ready to start a LED strip setup.
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It is an interesting observation you make I am only relatively new to the lighting scene but I have seen the MARS lens upgrade video so I know what you are talking about. I am currently researching EB strips for a DIY build. With advancements in LED lighting there are more choices than ever which is a good thing :)
 
CobKits

CobKits

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InTheValley said:
BUT, with lenses, it pretty much triples the intensity. So, you have the lumens from the start, and now, with lenses, the PAR is soooooo strong deep and focused.
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all it does is concentrate it to a smaller area, in fact you lose 5-10% of overall light depending on quality of optics

imo lenses have next to no useful application on a fixture-based LEDs, you are basically limiting the useful grow area to just larger than the fixture itself

you cant "replace" a 1000W uniformly covering a 4.5x4.5 with 700W of LEDS that are so focused that you only get a 2x3 uniformly covered space out of it. i mean you can if you want to hang your LEDs 36+" above the canopy to get a decent footprint
 
CobKits

CobKits

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InTheValley said:
and, the whole penetration thing, again, is a moot point really in any application.

Pretty sure lenses diodes and more focused then a cob,

If we took 1 cob, and then made a circle of the same diameter of the cob, with the 5W diodes both with lenses, Id put money on the 5w having a better par for distance the the COB
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cobs have lenses and relectors commonly available as well and can be operated from 5 up to 500W so no limitations there
 
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CobKits said:
all it does is concentrate it to a smaller area, in fact you lose 5-10% of overall light depending on quality of optics

imo lenses have next to no useful application on a fixture-based LEDs, you are basically limiting the useful grow area to just larger than the fixture itself

you cant "replace" a 1000W uniformly covering a 4.5x4.5 with 700W of LEDS that are so focused that you only get a 2x3 uniformly covered space out of it. i mean you can if you want to hang your LEDs 36+" above the canopy to get a decent footprint
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Good for back/side lighting in a restricted space run at significantly reduced wattages. Even space buckets.
 
cat of curiosity

cat of curiosity

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CobKits said:
all it does is concentrate it to a smaller area, in fact you lose 5-10% of overall light depending on quality of optics

imo lenses have next to no useful application on a fixture-based LEDs, you are basically limiting the useful grow area to just larger than the fixture itself

you cant "replace" a 1000W uniformly covering a 4.5x4.5 with 700W of LEDS that are so focused that you only get a 2x3 uniformly covered space out of it. i mean you can if you want to hang your LEDs 36+" above the canopy to get a decent footprint
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googling convex and concave lenses might be a good place to start too... a magnifying glass will not magically make one photon into two...
 
Kaneh_bosm

Kaneh_bosm

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OK I understand that the perfectsun , pioneer and optic led lenses focus light like lasers but in a very small rectangular space say 3x1.5 would it out perform a 90w qb or I was thinking a 3 cob setup. Which would give me the best chance of 1g/w or more. I will be growing autos in a waterfarm or Coco and smartphone. I Love this forum. Thanks. Got to get back to work can't stop thinking about lights, medium, ventilation etc.
 
CobKits

CobKits

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Kaneh_bosm said:
OK I understand that the perfectsun , pioneer and optic led lenses focus light like lasers but in a very small rectangular space say 3x1.5 would it out perform a 90w qb or I was thinking a 3 cob setup.
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what do you mean by "outperform". if you mean deliver more light to the plants for less energy im not so sure

you got a mountain to climb to get over the awful efficiency of the epistar diodes and the cobs in the Optic that are 2012 technology

there is probably no point of operation for those lights that puts them in the same class of efficiency as current cobs or QBs

you can get 1gpw with any of these lights . you can get 1.5 and up with current cobs or QBs and a dialed garden. ive had cob runs go to shit from lack of plant care and still get over 1 gpw which is nice because i used to have to be pretty dialed to even hit that with HPS
 
Kaneh_bosm

Kaneh_bosm

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Kaneh_bosm said:
OK I understand that the perfectsun , pioneer and optic led lenses focus light like lasers but in a very small rectangular space say 3x1.5 would it out perform a 90w qb or I was thinking a 3 cob setup. Which would give me the best chance of 1g/w or more. I will be growing autos in a waterfarm or Coco and smartphone. I Love this forum. Thanks. Got to get back to work can't stop thinking about lights, medium, ventilation etc.
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OK, thanks for your time and knowledge, will definitely be shopping with you very soon, so in my 3x1.5 how many autocobs will rock my box to the maximum without being too much light or heat. Can I do 210w?
 
InTheValley

InTheValley

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cat of curiosity said:
a magnifying glass will not magically make one photon into two...
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no, it doesnt, but it makes the photons directed, meaning, although its doesnt MAKE photons, it directes them, making it possible to STEAR the outside stragglers into apath of your choosing.

So, really it doesn make more photons, for a directed path of travel.
 
InTheValley

InTheValley

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CobKits said:
all it does is concentrate it to a smaller area, in fact you lose 5-10% of overall light depending on quality of optics

imo lenses have next to no useful application on a fixture-based LEDs, you are basically limiting the useful grow area to just larger than the fixture itself

you cant "replace" a 1000W uniformly covering a 4.5x4.5 with 700W of LEDS that are so focused that you only get a 2x3 uniformly covered space out of it. i mean you can if you want to hang your LEDs 36+" above the canopy to get a decent footprint
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Well absolutely. If the plant is getting the light it needs, there is no sense in having it 12 inches from the plant.

Im using a 125w with lenses, 2 weeks into flower, so we'll see what lenses are all about. And to be honest, I might have to take some lenses off, i think its too powerfull. Wish i had a dimmer.

I made this to mimic a generic PerfectSun LED, lol..
 
InTheValley

InTheValley

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taped off, with just 5-3W 4000k, 1-5W 3500k diodes exposed

10 in--1000 par --with all -- NA
12 in--550 par --with all -- 1990
18 in--240 par --with all -- 1300
24 in--120 par --with all -- 800
30 in--100 par --with all -- 450 ( 33 inches )

Degrade to half at 4 inches outside light path.
 
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