Perma-fried, Perma-tripping, or just a little crazy???

sonar

sonar

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Very old thread, but the OP is still active so I wanted to comment on it anyway. Maybe he will pop in and give us an update.

I personally don't believe in "permafry" or whatever you want to call it. At least not with most psychedelics like lsd, mushrooms, dmt, etc. To my knowledge, there are no studies that show they cause permanent damage to the brain. MDMA, on the other hand, I am not so sure about. There is some evidence chronic use can cause long term changes in brain chemistry. Whether these changes are permanent, I think the jury is still out. It definitely deserves further study.

I do believe, however, that psychedelics can change people. Not so much because of "brain damage," but because these experiences can be so powerful they can change your entire outlook on both internally and externally.

I've taken my fair share. LSD maybe only about 10 times, but mushrooms and dmt more times that I can count. I feel the mushrooms, especially, have changed me. For me it has been mostly internal. The way I see myself. For example, 2 summers ago a good friend and I went on an overnight camping trip and took mushrooms. It wasn't even a heavy dose for me, maybe about 3-4g, but I learned a lot that night. I knew for a long time that I am too hard on myself and need to give myself a break once in awhile, but something about that trip really drove it home. No one is as hard on "sonar" as he is on himself. So, in a sense, yes it can leave lasting effects, but I don't necessarily feel it changed my brain chemistry.
 
ArCaned

ArCaned

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I have to disagree.

I have seen people totally fuck their brains from abusing LSD.

Clever, bright interesting people who turn into slow witted cabbages having spent 5 years abusing LSD.


Don't get me wrong, I love LSD.


But you gotta know your limits and enjoy responsibly.
 
jjpivot

jjpivot

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I knew a guy, lived nearby one of my sisters. He was in his mid twenties and started shrooming and dropping acid nearly everyday. I heard he was eating nearly an ounce a day. Granted, stories often get exaggerated and I dunno if it's even possible to have a tolerance or a will that high but that's what I heard. Anyways, the guy turned from a kid with potential to essentially a nutjob. Like ArCaned said, I love LSD and psyches in general, but they need to be respected and can potentially cause at least significant changes for the worse. In most cases, though, they seem to have positive effects. I'll also agree with Sonar on the important inner revelations, I always seem to learn something about myself when I get out there.
 
canndo

canndo

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sonar said:
Very old thread, but the OP is still active so I wanted to comment on it anyway. Maybe he will pop in and give us an update.

I personally don't believe in "permafry" or whatever you want to call it. At least not with most psychedelics like lsd, mushrooms, dmt, etc. To my knowledge, there are no studies that show they cause permanent damage to the brain. MDMA, on the other hand, I am not so sure about. There is some evidence chronic use can cause long term changes in brain chemistry. Whether these changes are permanent, I think the jury is still out. It definitely deserves further study.

I do believe, however, that psychedelics can change people. Not so much because of "brain damage," but because these experiences can be so powerful they can change your entire outlook on both internally and externally.

I've taken my fair share. LSD maybe only about 10 times, but mushrooms and dmt more times that I can count. I feel the mushrooms, especially, have changed me. For me it has been mostly internal. The way I see myself. For example, 2 summers ago a good friend and I went on an overnight camping trip and took mushrooms. It wasn't even a heavy dose for me, maybe about 3-4g, but I learned a lot that night. I knew for a long time that I am too hard on myself and need to give myself a break once in awhile, but something about that trip really drove it home. No one is as hard on "sonar" as he is on himself. So, in a sense, yes it can leave lasting effects, but I don't necessarily feel it changed my brain chemistry.
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I know or have known a number of what we call "the casualties of the 60's". I know that (sorry folks) heavy pot use in one's earlier years may well have a long lasting effect or at least set the user back - I believe I was one of those who never really figured out how to socialize for several years later than most of my friends. I know three people who became lost after LSD use but I seriously suspect that this had more to do with simple precipitation of events that would have happened anyway. Seems that many serious mental problems don't make themselves known until the person reaches 18 - 20's. And that was the primary drug experimental years so we really can't tell. But I really don't know anyone who simply strayed into some drug induced mental state never to return.


so far as changing people - I firmly believe that in general, those who take hallucinogenics more than once or twice - with a mindset of exploration, emerged from the experiences as more thoughtful, more empathetic, more imaginative and more tolerant individuals and these effects seem to have lasted many years if not their entire lifetime.

so far as physiological changes to the brain- well that concept is a product of a series of concepts that eminate from social conservativism and a puritanical influence in our culture.(sorry to have to put that in). What is presumed is that "changes to the brain - structuraly or even chemicaly is never ever a good thing. But that can only be true if change itself is never a good thing. This is an ideology that contends that if one changes one's mind or alters their outlook, there must be something wrong with them. No one is allowed to have epiphanies and rethinking something is akin to "flip flopping". Everyone is supposed to have "made up their mind" by 19 or 20, never to change their comprehension of their world or themselves ever again.


I think that lsd users discover that that is wrongheadedness. The fact is that ANY thing can and will change your brain forever. Your first sexual experience, your first time riding a bike, your first love, the death of a friend, a revelation on a mountaintop, words spoken thoughtlessly by your father - any of these things can permanently change a person so claiming that because a very powerful experience with LSD changed one's outlook is bad, is being ignorant of the way humans work and claiming that those experiences are somehow cheapened because they were induced by a drug is not to understand that perception IS reality and so as your perception is alterered by what ever means, your understanding and ability to cope with reality changes along with it.
 
JustaFarmer

JustaFarmer

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Hey guys,

First of all WOW, I totally forgot about this thread. Thanks for the pm sonar, glad to be back with a new perspective on things. Also its good to see that its causing a good discussion. Well this thread is going on almost 3 1/2 years old and so much has changed. When I read my original post its kind of funny the state I really was in. Well, here's where I'm at now and how I feel looking back. When I first wrote this post, I was completely tripped out, on the verge of psychosis, completely paranoid about everything, and almost a certified skitzo. At that particular point in my life, i was a junior in college and heavily heavily experimenting with psychedelics, hallucinogens, etc... Anyhow I took a long long much needed break from the life, moved out to northern-cali from ohio, and started growing. Ive only been to a couple of festivals since my hiatus, and theyre more of a novelty now than anything. I dropped LSD - no pun intended....lol Seriously tho, i had to give it up. Afterwords i pinpointed that LSD was not the cause, but the spark that lit my temporary insanity. It had a very long lasting effect on me. As for the molly, im still known to get down on occasion (maybe once or twice a year) and thats all fine. but nothing like before, it will never be as eye opening as when i was younger. more of a novelty now i suppose. Still eat boomers when i can and smoke hella green. but looking back, I think the mixture of LSD and excessive MDMA usage really took a toll on me. That mixed with the non-existent sleep (because i was always thinking, not tripping, but i felt like every thought was a new pioneering idea....lol how naive ) and the prolonged usage took a great mental and physical toll on me. After I took a break it took a while for everything to come back into focus. However I wouldn't trade any of that for the world. It forever changed the way i look at things. And even if i don't see the other realm, i know its there, all around me, all the time. And that's good enough. I think once you see the preverbial, other side. The side of things where everything looks the same, but it feels so surreal ie: Tripping its very life changing. My main point here is, once you see that, you just want to continue riding that wave. Peering into the abyss, but as I learned. We are based in this world, this reality. Trying to live in another realm, will only hinder your existence here. ex: physical decline, Sleep deprevaition, and the slu of mental issues/anxiety that comes with it. Its ok to dabble, but you cant live there. Thats what i realized. And it took a long time to realize, but once you see it i call it (tripping eyes). the trick is to get back to that point and back to that realm without the use of psychoactive drugs. i think that things like LSD can most defiantly open a door to another world. however it cannot sustain keeping the door open. its almost like lsd is a piece of rope holding the door open, however eventually that rope will wear out, fray, snap and the door will one way or another close. I think through other channels, meditation. or just getting to that state of realization is like bursting the door wide open with your arm. Your the channel, you become the tool to get to the other side, your not depending on a string (LSD or other crutches to get you there). and it becomes much clearer and no harmful side effects. 3 years later thats where I have come to. I could keep babbling i suppose, but this my overall summary of what i learned from drugs. :P

In another sense, I dont think there is any actual changes in the brain that happen. Ive taken an IQ test since then and tested higher than before. Also, with the combination of a somewhat healthy lifestyle, and trying to constantly better my situation. I feel ive come farther in my life than most others in my same predicament. My brain seems fine, however i get a little weird at times... still have my imagination. I think it isnt so much actual brain effects, more effects of the way the brain acts when subjected to these chemicals. I dont really know. And thats all i know about that.

Phew....wow thanks guys, hope this furthers the discussion, i will be watching. hopefully i can contribute. sorry for all the spelling/ grammar errors...kinda buzzed, stumbled on to sonars pm after a sixxer of racer 5....
 
VLRD.Kush

VLRD.Kush

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513 said:
that 3 g week long molly bender = bk mdma (methylone)
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Hahhaha, the same thing happened to me last summer... except it was closer to a 1/4 of "mdma". It was during a festival week/weekend, Monday-Monday. By that Sunday I was sleeping while rolling. How IDK, never again that much
 
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