Perpetual Harvest Veg/Flower Balance?

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fortheloveofgrow

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Greetings growers!

The primary limitation in by flower room (basement, behind 2 locked doors, 4.5'w x 6.5'l x 7't, mylar walls, sealed, soundproofed, carbon-filtered, kinda proud (:) is useful light cover (300w platinum LED & 1200w China LED, probably ideally about 2.5'x4.5') and access around the perimeter to maintain the dwc rig. I will likely add another LED at some point, but don't have the cash right now. Separate cab for clones and veg.

Currently running Raspberry cough (sativa), ~9wk flower. I don't think I want to veg the full 9wk flower cycle because I'd rather have more, densely packed girls come flower switch. I had been doing 24hr veg light, but think I'll switch to 18/6 to slow growth and cut energy costs (not bad, 2 125w hydrofarm cfls, work great). I've gotten good at topping to 4 primary colas and generally end up with 8-16 money colas. Ideally I'd have, say 10-15 trained (early-topped/mainlined/lst'd then lollipopped) plants in flower.

So here's the question: What are folk's opinions on how to align the flower cycle and the veg cycle? My math:

Ready to flower: Clones taken -> a week to recover pre-flip -> Flower = call it 10 weeks.
Veg: Clones rooted (been having near 100% success, but kinda slow ~15 days, which works in my favor in this scenario), topped, trained, etc... but 8 wks is a longer veg time than I think I want.

Options:
Take clones of clones halfway through (no real space for a mother in the veg cab).
Re-vegging clones off flowering plants, but don't have any experience with reveg.
Other options?

Any thoughts good people? Many thanks!
 
Hawzzy

Hawzzy

Member
fortheloveofgrow said:
Greetiings growers!

The primary limitation In by flower room (basement, behind 2 locked doors, 4.5'w x 6.5'l x 7't, mylar walls, sealed, soundproofed, carbon-filtered, kinda proud (:) is useful light cover (300w platinum LED & 1200w China LED, probably ideally about 2.5'x4.5') and access around the perimeter to maintain the dwc rig. I will likely add another LED at some point, but don't have the cash right now. Separate cab for clones and veg.

Currently running Raspberry cough (sativa), ~9wk flower. I don't think I want to veg the full 9wk flower cycle because I'd rather have more, densely packed girls come flower switch. I had been doing 24hr veg light, but think I'll switch to 18/6 to slow growth and cut energy costs (not bad, 2 125w hydrofarm cfls, work great). I've gotten good at topping to 4 primary colas and generally end up with 8-16 money colas. Ideally I'd have, say 10-15 trained (early-topped/mainlined/lst'd then lollipopped) plants in flower.

So here's the question: What are folk's opinions on how to align the flower cycle and the veg cycle? My math:

Ready to flower: Clones taken -> a week to recover pre-flip -> Flower = call it 10 weeks.
Veg: Clones rooted (been having near 100% success, but kinda slow ~15 days, which works in my favor in this scenario), topped, trained, etc... but 8 wks is a longer veg time than I think I want.

Options:
Take clones of clones halfway through (no real space for a mother in the veg cab).
Re-vegging clones off flowering plants, but don't have any experience with reveg.
Other options?

Any thoughts good people? Many thanks!
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Well....I can tell you from experience that you CAN reveg clones from flowering plants...I have done It a couple times.... in fact im doing a few right now.20160319_152511.jpg
i have been told by others NOT to take them any later than 3wks In tho. They do take a little longer to root AND the newest vegetative growth comes out a little funky and twisted for a couple nodes/leaves. Could help your timing out.
Im in the process of ramping up to a perpetual harvest as well....a clone/veg cab. and a 2 sided 2 light flower cab. Harvest every 4-5wks.
 
STLbudz

STLbudz

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You could take clones right before the flip and then get them ready while the others are flowering ,2 weeks to root the other 6-7 weeks to get ready for flower if your worried they'll get to big use less plants ...I get roots in a week there hanging down Atleast an inch in 2 . This is a week in to rooting always best to take em off vegging plants !image.jpgimage.jpg
 
BobCajun

BobCajun

Well-Known Member
fortheloveofgrow said:
Greetings growers!

The primary limitation in by flower room (basement, behind 2 locked doors, 4.5'w x 6.5'l x 7't, mylar walls, sealed, soundproofed, carbon-filtered, kinda proud (:) is useful light cover (300w platinum LED & 1200w China LED, probably ideally about 2.5'x4.5') and access around the perimeter to maintain the dwc rig. I will likely add another LED at some point, but don't have the cash right now. Separate cab for clones and veg.

Currently running Raspberry cough (sativa), ~9wk flower. I don't think I want to veg the full 9wk flower cycle because I'd rather have more, densely packed girls come flower switch. I had been doing 24hr veg light, but think I'll switch to 18/6 to slow growth and cut energy costs (not bad, 2 125w hydrofarm cfls, work great). I've gotten good at topping to 4 primary colas and generally end up with 8-16 money colas. Ideally I'd have, say 10-15 trained (early-topped/mainlined/lst'd then lollipopped) plants in flower.

So here's the question: What are folk's opinions on how to align the flower cycle and the veg cycle? My math:

Ready to flower: Clones taken -> a week to recover pre-flip -> Flower = call it 10 weeks.
Veg: Clones rooted (been having near 100% success, but kinda slow ~15 days, which works in my favor in this scenario), topped, trained, etc... but 8 wks is a longer veg time than I think I want.

Options:
Take clones of clones halfway through (no real space for a mother in the veg cab).
Re-vegging clones off flowering plants, but don't have any experience with reveg.
Other options?

Any thoughts good people? Many thanks!
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The solution is simple, 2 flowering cabs, 1 veg cab. Clones get 4.5-5 weeks growth and in they go, right after taking 1 cutting from each for the next batch. Always better to have 2 smaller cabs than 1 large one anyway, less harvest work at one time.
 
BobCajun

BobCajun

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Actually, if you want fairly large plants you could take cuttings from the veging plants 2 weeks before you put them in flower. Those 2 weeks, the cuttings would only need a small cloner anyway. Then you have a total of 6.5-7 weeks growth.
 
mommasmoke

mommasmoke

Active Member
I'm a perpetual grower with a harvest every 2 weeks 1 veg cab flower n my closet and a 8 site cloner I really don't have a system I just clone veg flower repeat I think ur over thinking it there are to many factors that can and will happen once u start to mess up ur cycle like not enough room that's usually my biggest problem but until u really get n2 it coming up with a for sure plan isn't that easy
 
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fortheloveofgrow

Member
Exactly Mommasmoke. I know I can't really dial it in perfectly, just trying to figure a gameplan, which I think I have. I may end up going to more of a rolling/flexible schedule, with plants in multiple stages of flowering like you suggested. The challenge being getting full use of my light spread and intensity, probably using shelves or racks of some kind. The LEDs want a pretty even canopy.

Makes me want to get greedy and grab another P300 led for more adjustability but, lo, they are expensive. Love the temperature management, energy savings and dialed-in spectrum though!
 
Hawzzy

Hawzzy

Member
I can agree to a point with you both. It doesnt have to be that complicated.
Prolly the simplest and slowest "perpetual" harvest would run...what...minimum 8-10 weeks for flower right? So... you grow some girls...say..3 to 6 weeks (ish) with training and topping...use trimmings/tops for new clones...flip to 12/12.
Now you have a total of 8 to 10 weeks to root those clones and veg whatever number of final plants you need/want. So lets count....with a normal simple...veg cabinet...flower cabinet setup...3 to 6 weeks...+ 8 to 10 weeks then repeat process...that means you are 11 to 16 weeks for your first run and 8 to 10 weeks for each successive perpetual harvest.
If you increase your flower cabinet size and split it in 2 sections...you can harvest every 4 to 5 weeks and split in 3 you can harvest every 3 to 3 1/2 weeks. Again...take cuttings before you switch to 12/12 root and veg until the next batch/section is ripe....and move them to the next section......nothing complicated at all.
 
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