personal medicine

Lauraorganic · Jan 11, 2011

Hi Rollitup :weed:

I'm Laura, living here in Cali. I have read on this site often, but just now signed up. I'm want my own personal medicine now that I have my medical, and need some advice for room setup.

I wanted to have a focus grow on my own 1 special organic plant

It's so exciting !

but my friend told me that it will be forever in between when i harvest, meaning i might have wished i built a little bigger. :wall:

So I still want 1 plant rooms, so I can easily take care of my girls,just at different ages. I thought about the number of rooms, and felt 3 is too few rooms, and 9 is too many, so 5 or 6 is the sweet spot?? Is it still called sea of green when you do this?

Peace & Love,

Lauraorganic

Pipe Dream · Jan 11, 2011

Taking care of 3 plants is pretty much the same as taking are of one. If you have a whole seperate room for each of the three, it would be way more work. All the plants basically need the same environment I would grow as many as you legally can or have room for to make the most of your time. you only need 2 cycles, vegetative and flowering any more than that seems ineffecient to me.

d.s.m. · Jan 11, 2011

Laura sounds just like this Russian guy I know.

Luger187 · Jan 12, 2011

first of all... idk if u should be using ur real name

second... u only need 2 rooms at most. one for vegging, and one for flowering. if u want the plants at different ages, get a clone and put it in the veg room. wait 2-3 weeks, then go get another clone, and put it in the veg room also. now u have 2 plants, each ~3 weeks apart.

i really dont understand the reason for having so many rooms. u would need a light for each room. y not just have one room, and have the 2-3 plants share it?

also, i recommend coming onto this site EVERY DAY for a few months. check all the threads, and LEARN from them. any person on this site will also tell u it is a lot harder than just putting them in some dirt and waiting

and no, that is not sea of green lol

Lauraorganic · Jan 12, 2011

Hi again guys,

The reason I am building many rooms is for an assembly-line like setup lol. Don't know what to call it if it's not sea of green? Each plant will start from seed, and continue on down the rooms until it is harvested. I'm not looking for having 10 plants that flower after 1 month of veg, I want 1 plant to grow as much as she can, then harvest. But I would have 5 or 6 other plants waiting to move on down the line of grow rooms.

Luger187 Yes, lots of lights!!!

I am planning on it. Although I feel it will be very manageable, because instead of having 2 big rooms filled with girls, each room will only have 1 plant, so I can care for them very easily. "y not just have one room, and have the 2-3 plants share it?" I can't have the lighting cycle the same, some rooms will be 19/6 some 12/12 for flowers. The way I see it is, room 1 seedling, room 2 about 1 foot tall, room 3 2 feet tall, room 4 3 feet tall, veg still, room 5 first 12/12 room, room 6 second 12/12 room

Pipe Dream Yes, a lot more work, but I am basically Disabled, so I have a lot of time to be here for the rooms.

d.s.m. a Russian guy?? LOL

Well, I might have some Russian in me, not sure...

SCCA · Jan 12, 2011

what you are thinking of is a perpetual harvest, it works much better under fewer brighter lights. if you keep the light cycle in the flower room at 12/12 and put the plants in a few weeks apart they will harvest a few weeks apart. if you dont flower untill the plant is 3' it will reach 6 feet or more. even a 1000w light cant reach into the canopy more than 18" or so.

Lauraorganic · Jan 12, 2011

SCCA said:
what you are thinking of is a perpetual harvest, it works much better under fewer brighter lights. if you keep the light cycle in the flower room at 12/12 and put the plants in a few weeks apart they will harvest a few weeks apart. if you dont flower untill the plant is 3' it will reach 6 feet or more. even a 1000w light cant reach into the canopy more than 18" or so.

Yes! that's the phrase, a perpetual harvest. It's my green dream, and I cannot work my old job for now, maybe not ever again. So I look forward to 24/7 care of my garden. :leaf:

I have the space for huge flowering rooms, so a 6 foot tall monster sounds perfect

But since it will only be one plant per room, I can side light and tend to them easily.

That is actually why i decided to go with T5 and LED lighting, SCCA. I won't be training or pruning these plants at all, so wide and tall is what I will plan for, and I can't see how a single HID light source above them would give me a good harvest, even with a 1000w above them. So side lighting will be a must.

SCCA · Jan 12, 2011

best of luck to you but i think you will find you will get much better results under an HID light and shorter plants, if you want to grow single plants look into scrog the more plant volume that is flowering the higher your yield will be. at 6 feet tall the plant will have at least a 4 foot diameter. floro lights are most effective within 10" of the bulb. tube lights produce he best light in the center 2/3 of the bulb. you will only be able to light about half of your plant. your plant volume to yield ratio will be very low. after a couple weeks constantly tending your garden you will most likely be looking for ways to simplify the process.

Perfextionist420 · Jan 12, 2011

dont think i am posting this to attack you in any way but how you proposed to do this is incredibly inefficient, i strongly recommend you listen to what the other people have already posted. also 6 foot monsters under t5 and led is a terrible idea, like the other said make one flowering room with 1000w hps and just move the plants into it when needed, building so many rooms will cost you a lot more money to set up while yielding much less than if done correctly.

please browse the forum a bit more and pick up the knowledge you need, diving headfirst into this without knowing what your doing is just going to waste some serious cash, also dont trick yourself into thinking you know what your doing im not trying to be mean but i can tell you have a long way to go and a lot to learn

Lauraorganic · Jan 12, 2011

Perfextionist420 said:
dont think i am posting this to attack you in any way but how you proposed to do this is incredibly inefficient, i strongly recommend you listen to what the other people have already posted. also 6 foot monsters under t5 and led is a terrible idea, like the other said make one flowering room with 1000w hps and just move the plants into it when needed, building so many rooms will cost you a lot more money to set up while yielding much less than if done correctly.

please browse the forum a bit more and pick up the knowledge you need, diving headfirst into this without knowing what your doing is just going to waste some serious cash, also dont trick yourself into thinking you know what your doing im not trying to be mean but i can tell you have a long way to go and a lot to learn

No not at all!! This is why I asked, I want opinions and advice.

I'm actually not really diving headfirst into this, I have been reading about growing for almost 4 years now. Also, there are no tricks in my mind, I know what i'm doing

I find lighting besides HID to be very effective, going by what I find on various grow sites. Doing it correctly seems to be harder to do than HID, that's the key, imo. If it can't compete with HID, could you explain more please?

When it comes to the money part, this is going to be a very permanent setup, so it's really not an issue, so to speak. I plan on using c02 enrichement, if that helps put it into perspective

As for the size, I want to grow plants to their full potential. So sea of green isn't my setup, but perpetual harvest is?
If I could grow outdoors I would, but it's not the case. If I chose a Hydro setup, but most likely soil since organic is hard hydro, but if I chose hydro I would go to 5 gallon Hempy buckets. Does that put more into perspective the size of finishing plants I want??

Yes, I am a novice and this is my first time, but I see no reason why I can't plan it well and struggle during. It's half the fun, getting your garden to work. Although I will certainly change everything around if I fail, I'm not going to change my ideas beforehand simply because it's more difficult. Life is a struggle.

Peace & Love,
Lauraorganic

SCCA · Jan 13, 2011

why do you equate the size of the plant to "potential"? i prefer soil in 5g buckets hydro is great, i just like the taste from soil better. why would you want to spend your time and money trying to implement an untested system when you could be growing high quality cannabis? experiment on a small scale until you have the system worked out. you are going to have an incredible over head for your first few grows. if this is solely personal much of your start-up costs wont be recovered for at least 6 months, depending on how much you are currently paying for meds.

Luger187 · Jan 13, 2011

Lauraorganic said:
No not at all!! This is why I asked, I want opinions and advice.

I'm actually not really diving headfirst into this, I have been reading about growing for almost 4 years now. Also, there are no tricks in my mind, I know what i'm doing

I find lighting besides HID to be very effective, going by what I find on various grow sites. Doing it correctly seems to be harder to do than HID, that's the key, imo. If it can't compete with HID, could you explain more please?

When it comes to the money part, this is going to be a very permanent setup, so it's really not an issue, so to speak. I plan on using c02 enrichement, if that helps put it into perspective

As for the size, I want to grow plants to their full potential. So sea of green isn't my setup, but perpetual harvest is?
If I could grow outdoors I would, but it's not the case. If I chose a Hydro setup, but most likely soil since organic is hard hydro, but if I chose hydro I would go to 5 gallon Hempy buckets. Does that put more into perspective the size of finishing plants I want??

Yes, I am a novice and this is my first time, but I see no reason why I can't plan it well and struggle during. It's half the fun, getting your garden to work. Although I will certainly change everything around if I fail, I'm not going to change my ideas beforehand simply because it's more difficult. Life is a struggle.

Peace & Love,
Lauraorganic

i dont mean to offend...

honestly, i dont believe u have been reading about growing for 4 years. and no, u dont know what u r doing.

if your using co2, y do u want to have like 5 different rooms? why not have all the plants in one vegging room? u can still do perpetual harvest with that. just put them into the flower room at different times. theres absolutely no reason to do the room setup u mentioned.

and if your using T5's and LED's u WILL NOT get what u expect. especially with a 6 foot tall plant. the light just will not be good enough. go get 2 1000w HID lights. one blue spectrum for veg, one red spectrum for flower.

growing plants to full potential DOES NOT mean a huge plant. it all depends on your setup. if your growing with small CFL's, u dont want the plant to get too big, otherwise the light cannot penetrate through the foliage, and the weed that comes out of it will have weak potency. the same goes for all other lighting, they all have their limits. growing a 6 foot tall plant will not only take forever, but it will be a waste of time in your situation. it would be better to do two 3-4 foot plants, than one 6 foot tall plant.

why not go get clones? growing from seed not only takes longer, u have no idea what it is. u could grow the plant out to 4 feet tall, only to find out its a male when u start flowering.

i would recommend getting 2 clones. put them in the veg room. after they grow for a few weeks(1000w is kind of overkill for 2 plants though), cut 2 clones off of each plant. now put these clones in the veg room as well. u cut 2 clones incase one dies... so if they all survive and root good, kill off one of each strain. now u only have 2 clones, one of each strain, just like at the beginning.
once the original plants get big enough, throw them in the flower room. when the clones get big enough, cut clones off of them.

do u see how the perpetual works? it does not need more than 2 rooms. it would be a complete waste for u to do more than 2 rooms. considering the cost of lighting, co2, and convenience, its just not a good idea.

i dont mean to sound mean... i just want u to see :-P

edit: actually, now that i think about it... 1000w is overkill. since u only have 2-4 plants in the room at a time, id go with 600w or 400w

Lauraorganic · Jan 13, 2011

Luger187 said:
i dont mean to offend...

honestly, i dont believe u have been reading about growing for 4 years. and no, u dont know what u r doing.

if your using co2, y do u want to have like 5 different rooms? why not have all the plants in one vegging room? u can still do perpetual harvest with that. just put them into the flower room at different times. theres absolutely no reason to do the room setup u mentioned.

and if your using T5's and LED's u WILL NOT get what u expect. especially with a 6 foot tall plant. the light just will not be good enough. go get 2 1000w HID lights. one blue spectrum for veg, one red spectrum for flower.

growing plants to full potential DOES NOT mean a huge plant. it all depends on your setup. if your growing with small CFL's, u dont want the plant to get too big, otherwise the light cannot penetrate through the foliage, and the weed that comes out of it will have weak potency. the same goes for all other lighting, they all have their limits. growing a 6 foot tall plant will not only take forever, but it will be a waste of time in your situation. it would be better to do two 3-4 foot plants, than one 6 foot tall plant.

why not go get clones? growing from seed not only takes longer, u have no idea what it is. u could grow the plant out to 4 feet tall, only to find out its a male when u start flowering.

i would recommend getting 2 clones. put them in the veg room. after they grow for a few weeks(1000w is kind of overkill for 2 plants though), cut 2 clones off of each plant. now put these clones in the veg room as well. u cut 2 clones incase one dies... so if they all survive and root good, kill off one of each strain. now u only have 2 clones, one of each strain, just like at the beginning.
once the original plants get big enough, throw them in the flower room. when the clones get big enough, cut clones off of them.

do u see how the perpetual works? it does not need more than 2 rooms. it would be a complete waste for u to do more than 2 rooms. considering the cost of lighting, co2, and convenience, its just not a good idea.

i dont mean to sound mean... i just want u to see

edit: actually, now that i think about it... 1000w is overkill. since u only have 2-4 plants in the room at a time, id go with 600w or 400w

No offense taken, I'm here for discussion. :clap:

Well, I won't argue with people on the net usually, but you are assuming, and I don't need to prove a thing

Why would it be a waste to use c02? I can't think of any reason. Especially since 1 plant rooms will be very small, efficiently using it's space, that getting each flowering room to 1700ppm will be very easy.

I feel you are mistaken about LED tech, and this is as far as I will go with it, and it is my opinion. I have seen forums divided, and people angry over anything and everything to do with LED lighting. This is why I did not create this thread in any forum having to do with LED.
Asking any local hydro store yeilds the same results, so to speak. Personally, I feel it has to do more with the HID lighting market, which is in the millions, being replaced.

It's my thinking that I could certainly build 2 grow rooms, giving me about 4 or 5 harvests a year. But I want around 11-12 harvests a year. Why? Why is the sky blue?

When I said full potential I was thinking more along the lines of outdoor plants. They can truly reach full potential, but for indoors, I think around 5 or 6 tall is close.

Lauraorganic · Jan 13, 2011

SCCA said:
why do you equate the size of the plant to "potential"? i prefer soil in 5g buckets hydro is great, i just like the taste from soil better. why would you want to spend your time and money trying to implement an untested system when you could be growing high quality cannabis? experiment on a small scale until you have the system worked out. you are going to have an incredible over head for your first few grows. if this is solely personal much of your start-up costs wont be recovered for at least 6 months, depending on how much you are currently paying for meds.

SCCA, the potential I meant was, all things being equal, the bigger plant can produce more, or more ripened, mature flowers.

Yes, the taste from soil!!! I read that time and time again, I'm hoping for a tasty success

I'm trying to set up this system of growing because I want a harvest every month, and I also want fat flowers

I saw a friends garden, it was great, but he had the same setup as everyone else, and he only had about 3 harvests a year. I figure my setup will yeild better results.

Luger187 · Jan 13, 2011

Lauraorganic said:
No offense taken, I'm here for discussion.

Well, I won't argue with people on the net usually, but you are assuming, and I don't need to prove a thing

Why would it be a waste to use c02? I can't think of any reason. Especially since 1 plant rooms will be very small, efficiently using it's space, that getting each flowering room to 1700ppm will be very easy.

I feel you are mistaken about LED tech, and this is as far as I will go with it, and it is my opinion. I have seen forums divided, and people angry over anything and everything to do with LED lighting. This is why I did not create this thread in any forum having to do with LED.
Asking any local hydro store yeilds the same results, so to speak. Personally, I feel it has to do more with the HID lighting market, which is in the millions, being replaced.

It's my thinking that I could certainly build 2 grow rooms, giving me about 4 or 5 harvests a year. But I want around 11-12 harvests a year. Why? Why is the sky blue?

When I said full potential I was thinking more along the lines of outdoor plants. They can truly reach full potential, but for indoors, I think around 5 or 6 tall is close.

as u can see, ive been on this site since Oct 2009. and i studied for a long time before i even started growing. so thats about a year and some change ago. if youve been studying for 4 years, youve been seriously wasting your time

:wall:

it would be a waste of co2 because u have to fill up 4 small rooms with co2 as opposed to one somewhat bigger room.

it has nothing to do with the market. it has to do with LED's not doing what people say they do. all graphs i have ever seen with LED's is just made up numbers, or the graph goes from bottom left to top right, so it looks good. and people believe it because they know nothing about the science of light. plus theyre way too expensive for a personal grow(especially if u have to buy 4 of them, one for each room lol). but i digress...

u can also have 11 or 12 harvests per year with 2 rooms. one veg, one flower. read up on perpetual harvests because i dont think u know how they work. u dont have to start the plants in all these rooms to get different ages. just throw the plants in the ONE veg room at different times. and also throw them into the flowering room at different times.

if it takes 10 weeks for a strain to finish flowering, thats 5 harvests per year... if u wait until the end of harvest to put new plants into the flower room.

now lets say after 5 weeks of flowering, u add some more plants to the flower room. in 5 more weeks, the original plants will be done, and the "new" ones will be 5 weeks in. at this point u put more plants in the room. this will get u about 10 harvests per year.

by full potential do u mean the amount of nugs they yield? or do u mean quality of the nugs? or do u just want a big plant to look at? i dont see the point of growing one massive plant indoors

u need to realize that a big plant DOES NOT mean it will produce good weed. there is only a certain amount of energy the plant has. with a massive plant, less energy goes into each nug which equals less quality. BUT... if u have a 2 foot plant with the same amount of energy, the quality will go way up. theres other variables such as light, co2, etc. but thats a basic explanation

SCCA · Jan 13, 2011

Lauraorganic said:
SCCA, the potential I meant was, all things being equal, the bigger plant can produce more, or more ripened, mature flowers.

a bigger plant can only produce more flowers if there is enough light, nutrients, and air for the plant to support them. i actually agree that led's are the wave of the future, but i don't think the technology has the same ability as hid, yet. you should do some research on how plants use light and how artificial lamps produce it. you want to concentrate as many calyxes in as little plant volume as possible. the only reason outdoor plants can produce such large buds is because the light penetrates much deeper into the canopy. even a large outdoor plant shed their interior leaves as the canopy blocks out light. i harvest once a month, so thats 12 per year. a student of mine harvest about 3 oz a week, more than enough for personal use.

CSI Stickyicky · Jan 13, 2011

You really only need 2 rooms, an 18/6 room, and a 12/12 room. You can use the same room if you use a divider, to block the light. You can make either room as large or as small as you need.

Let's say you have a 9 week strain, and you want to harvest every three weeks:

Use 2 rooms. You can use whatever growing medium you desire for this method.

In the 18/6 room, grow mothers, take clones, and vegetate your plants.

Every three weeks:

Step 1: Take new cuttings from the mother, and root them. Depending on your space, and your needs, you'll decide how many to take each time, and how long to leave them in the 18/6 room.

Step 2: Once rooted, take your best clones and put them in whatever media you choose, and put them on a vegetative nutrient plan of your choosing.

Step 3: Knowing how many plants you wish to harvest every three weeks, move that number of plants over to the 12/12 room.

Step 4: Harvest the same number of plants from 12/12 room to make space for incoming plants.

The 12/12 room: If you harvest X number of plants every 3 weeks, you have 3X plants in the room. If you harvest 3 plants, you have a total of 9 plants in the room, in 3 different stages, so even though it takes 9 weeks to finish, you still harvest every 3 weeks, instead of 9.

3 plants are in their first 3 weeks of flowering, 3 plants are in weeks 4-6, and 3 plants are finishing up.

Every three weeks, move your plants up a step.

You can also do an 8 week strain, and harvest every 4 weeks, or every 2 weeks, all without having more than 2 rooms.

Luger187 · Jan 13, 2011

SCCA said:
a bigger plant can only produce more flowers if there is enough light, nutrients, and air for the plant to support them. i actually agree that led's are the wave of the future, but i don't think the technology has the same ability as hid, yet. you should do some research on how plants use light and how artificial lamps produce it. you want to concentrate as many calyxes in as little plant volume as possible. the only reason outdoor plants can produce such large buds is because the light penetrates much deeper into the canopy. even a large outdoor plant shed their interior leaves as the canopy blocks out light. i harvest once a month, so thats 12 per year. a student of mine harvest about 3 oz a week, more than enough for personal use.

i would like to add to this

the reason outdoors get such good light penetration(and therefore yield more) is because of the sun. the sun is like having hundreds of HID lights on your plant, but still at the correct temperature for the plants. the amount of light the sun produces is pretty mind boggling in relation to even 1000w HID lamps

Perfextionist420 · Jan 13, 2011

everyone in this thread is saying one thing while she is saying another, sounds to me like she made her mind up already. just let her do what she wants and experience will teach her otherwise

Shangeet · Jan 22, 2011

Lauraorganic said:
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Laura i dont know... you want to be a professional grower or a professional warrior?
I understand you may have a decent plan of grow... then you should call for opinions not advice...

advice only move you... what r u doing?

keep in touch with rollitup :weed:

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